Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Dmitry Smirnov only...@member.fsf.org [120211 02:50]: But sometimes an innocent call to library causing package to inherit the whole hierarchy of needless dependencies. And this affect not just obvious things like slower start-up and installation Once one library is actually needed, the

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Stephen M. Webb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/10/2012 01:17 AM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: Dear mentors, I seek your advice regarding the best practice with using --as-needed. The --as--needed flag is automatically added to package builds in Ubuntu. If you do not want your package to fail

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Stephen M. Webb stephen.w...@bregmasoft.ca, 2012-02-10, 07:12: I seek your advice regarding the best practice with using --as-needed. The --as--needed flag is automatically added to package builds in Ubuntu. If you do not want your package to fail to build from source (and thus not be

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Dmitry Smirnov only...@member.fsf.org [120210 07:18]: Because in their eyes I have neither expertise nor reputation I couldn't convince them that benefits are outweight risks. (--as-needed removes dozen of packages from Depends) I've been asked to provide a document or a quote from

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Dmitry Smirnov only...@member.fsf.org writes: I seek your advice regarding the best practice with using --as-needed. Recently I tried to convince two package maintainers to use --as-needed in order to reduce overlinking. Surprisingly this time this idea was opposed with great resistance as

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Paul Wise
The --as-needed flag is a workaround for buggy upstream build systems, IMO it should not be used unless the relevant build systems will not be fixed any time soon. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: The --as-needed flag is a workaround for buggy upstream build systems, IMO it should not be used unless the relevant build systems will not be fixed any time soon. Which in most cases they won't be. Hell, I'm an upstream maintainer for one case where *I'm*

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:15:22 Bernhard R. Link wrote: I personally strongly recommend against using --as-needed unless you understand very well what it does. It may change the runtime behaviour of a program without any signs at link time. Surely it's a powerful thing which should be used with

Re: How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-10 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:38:23 Paul Wise wrote: The --as-needed flag is a workaround for buggy upstream build systems, IMO it should not be used unless the relevant build systems will not be fixed any time soon. Seems like a typical case with GNOME project stuff. Do you know if there are

How to convince maintainer to use --as-needed?

2012-02-09 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
Dear mentors, I seek your advice regarding the best practice with using --as-needed. Recently I tried to convince two package maintainers to use --as-needed in order to reduce overlinking. Surprisingly this time this idea was opposed with great resistance as none of maintainers but me had