Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 07:49:08PM +0200, Herv=E9 Cauwelier wrote: That's my case (well...) and I decided to apply the Separation of Concerns paradigm: software development and packaging are different matters, so they are worked and versionned separately. After a few month of usage, I clearly

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-14 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 02:33:49PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.13.1359 +0200]: ??? Users of __stable__ won't ever get that piece of software, no matter if it goes into unstable, testing, or any other distribution you might make

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-14 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:52:37PM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: Miriam == Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Miriam Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own Miriam use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's Miriam package. The problem that I found is that

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.13.0234 +0200]: It may be of value to users of stable who want to make their own package of the latest version of the software for some reason. Then they should bug the maintainer to have it go into unstable. -- Please do not send copies of

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-13 Thread Margarita Manterola
On 4/13/05, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be of value to users of stable who want to make their own package of the latest version of the software for some reason. Then they should bug the maintainer to have it go into unstable. ??? Users of __stable__ won't ever get that

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.13.1359 +0200]: ??? Users of __stable__ won't ever get that piece of software, no matter if it goes into unstable, testing, or any other distribution you might make up. Users of stable can just as well add unstable deb-src links to

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-13 Thread Hervé Cauwelier
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI a écrit : What about the case in which the upstream maintainer is the Debian maintainer? I create packages for a piece of sofware I've written. That's my case (well...) and I decided to apply the Separation of Concerns paradigm: software development and packaging are

debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's package. The problem that I found is that in latest versions he includes his own version of debian's directory inside the original tar.gz file as you download it from the web.

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Carlo Segre
It then becomes a native debian package with no -# revisions. C.S. On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Miriam Ruiz wrote: Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's package. The problem that I found is that in latest versions he includes

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2044 +0200]: I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it with the

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Carlo Segre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2047 +0200]: It then becomes a native debian package with no -# revisions. No, it does not necessarily. You can have an empty .diff.gz file, which would make sense in this case. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Steve Halasz
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 20:44 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote: Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's package. The problem that I found is that in latest versions he includes his own version of debian's directory inside

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Stefan Fritsch
Hi! On Tuesday 12 April 2005 20:44, Miriam Ruiz wrote: The reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it with the source files. Any suggestions on how to deal with that? For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian subdirectory renamed to debian.dist. I don't delete it

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 12 April 2005 21.16, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2044 +0200]: I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The reason I

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stefan Fritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2109 +0200]: For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian subdirectory renamed to debian.dist. Then it's not .orig anymore. The MD5 sum will differ. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`.

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2135 +0200]: I think having the debian/ directory in the upstream source makes sense if the packager works closely with the upstream author (or is the same), ideally the package maintainer should have write access to upstream's scm

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Apr 12, 2005 4:44 PM, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but there is no point in having ./debian available upstream. It's backwards. It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test their

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12. +0200]: It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test their software while developing it. Huh? Why not just use ./Makefile? What does

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Steve Halasz
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:40 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12. +0200]: It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test their software while

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Halasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2249 +0200]: In my case some upstream developers were debian users who liked to be able to build debs from CVS. This has been helpful since they can make sure the app will work ok in debian before they release. It's not strictly necessary,

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
martin f krafft wrote: What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with the ./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid to have it in CVS the important point would be to convince them not to include it in the release. I disagree. ./debian is the domain of

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that martin f krafft may or may not have written... also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12. +0200]: It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test their software

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 06:27:52PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of the upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian* (native), there is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at all. What about the

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2327 +0200]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/04/msg00106.html ). The debian/ directory is in CVS, naturally. Use a branch! It is currently distributed in the .tar.gz file. Should it be removed? Yes, in my opinion.

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
Stefan == Stefan Fritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Stefan For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian Stefan subdirectory renamed to debian.dist. I don't delete it because Stefan the upstream changelog is in there (installed with Stefan dh_installchangelogs

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
martin == martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] martin Tell him that the ./debian directory has no value when the martin software is available from the Debian archive and that you need martin to make modifications to it frequently. ... It may be of value to users of stable who want

Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
Miriam == Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Miriam Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own Miriam use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's Miriam package. The problem that I found is that in latest versions he Miriam includes his own version of debian's