Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-02-25 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jan 14 2007, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I think Daniel's quality standards are not exceptionally high, or low, compared to other sponsors. That is, if you don't consider a newline in a textfile a quality measure of course. But the other comments he makes, regarding: proper attribution of

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-02-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jan 14 2007, Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez wrote: In the other hand I don't think he has something to change, I really do appreciate all the work he does and how he does. He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors a package. And this is what sets Debian apart from other

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-02-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jan 14 2007, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I think Daniel's quality standards are not exceptionally high, or low, compared to other sponsors. That is, if you don't consider a newline in a textfile a quality measure of course. But the other comments he makes, regarding: proper attribution of

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-16 Thread Jari Aalto
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: If you take a look at some other sponsors, you will see that if they have some criticism on a package, they will often include *why* it is a problem, and/or how to solve it. This doesn't have to be long. this would take me

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-16 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Tuesday 16 January 2007 19:52, Jari Aalto wrote: As to comes to removing # dh_* comments we agree to disagree on this. I have no problem with [name omitted] considering that a good practice, but I hope that all understad that developers may have other views that may be equally valid.

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roberto C. Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070114 20:43]: Now, if something is a legitimate issue, it should be identified by lintian and/or linda in addition to being mentioned in policy and/or the developer reference. Agreed. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-15 Thread Marcus Better
Jens Peter Secher wrote: As others have mentioned, some of the nitpicking is really your personal preferences, and not really something that makes a new Developer much better at the tasks involved in maintaining a package. I disagree. While a superfluous dh_* command or blank line here and

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-15 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 04:58:13PM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I often find the lists that Daniel posts to resemble commands remove this., do not do that, this is bogus, that is useless but lacking of background or guidance. This might be a language problem. I am

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-15 Thread James Westby
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:21:00 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors a package. I'm not sure about this reference to a quality standard multiple people in this thread are making. I did not question anything about the quality, just about

Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Jens Peter Secher
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as to ugly according to my mesures of beauty, and hence i'm not sponsoring it. I think it would be better if you toned down this do-as-I-say-or-I-wont-sponsor-you attitude. As others

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:39 +0100, Jens Peter Secher wrote: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as to ugly according to my mesures of beauty, and hence i'm not sponsoring it. I think it would be better if you toned

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:43 +0100, Bart Martens wrote: On the other hand, the sponsor is completely free to choose which packages he wants to sponsor. And it is good that sponsors encourage new packagers to have an eye for the little things too. Let's not shoot Daniel for being just a bit

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread L. Redrejo
El dom, 14-01-2007 a las 16:58 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst escribió: On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:43 +0100, Bart Martens wrote: On the other hand, the sponsor is completely free to choose which packages he wants to sponsor. And it is good that sponsors encourage new packagers to have an eye for the

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: If you take a look at some other sponsors, you will see that if they have some criticism on a package, they will often include *why* it is a problem, and/or how to solve it. This doesn't have to be long. this would take me much more time to write the mail. besides from

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:39:45 +0100, Jens Peter Secher [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as to ugly according to my mesures of beauty, and hence i'm not sponsoring it. As others have

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 04:58:13PM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I often find the lists that Daniel posts to resemble commands remove this., do not do that, this is bogus, that is useless but lacking of background or guidance. This might be a language problem. I am also a native speaker of

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 05:35:02PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: If you take a look at some other sponsors, you will see that if they have some criticism on a package, they will often include *why* it is a problem, and/or how to solve it. This doesn't have to be

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Marc Haber wrote: Since you regularly complain about the same things, you could use Textbausteine. Whatever that might be in English ;) this is work on progress, once i've completed it (in some years or so :), i'll be able to point with numbers in a footnote to the verbose explenations.

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Jens Peter Secher wrote: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as to ugly according to my mesures of beauty, and hence i'm not sponsoring it. I think it would be better if you toned down this

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez
On 1/14/07, Thomas Goirand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens Peter Secher wrote: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as to ugly according to my mesures of beauty, and hence i'm not sponsoring it. I think it would be better

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Andreas Barth
* Daniel Baumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070114 17:55]: Marc Haber wrote: Since you regularly complain about the same things, you could use Textbausteine. Whatever that might be in English ;) this is work on progress, once i've completed it (in some years or so :), i'll be able to point with

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 03:11:54PM -0400, Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/14/07, Thomas Goirand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens Peter Secher wrote: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you insist on keeping the useless stuff, i consider the package as

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Andreas Barth wrote: (Taste issues however won't go there, different people have different tastes, that's a feature). jftr: that is why i didn't, don't and will not consider to submit it for the forseeable future, aside from that it is far from complete. however, you and i said both excately

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 08:34:21PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: Well, I would recommend that common packaging hints should go to the developers reference, and please only one thing per bug report. (Taste issues however won't go there, different people have different tastes, that's a feature).

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mike Hommey wrote: Too bad he doesn't apply his sponsoring standards on his own packages. nobody is perfect, only a few old ones are not (yet) complying. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet:

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Now, if something is a legitimate issue, it should be identified by lintian and/or linda in addition to being mentioned in policy and/or the developer reference. first, i'm a debian developer without any delegation (especially not for anything mentors related). i'm

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 02:43:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I agree. However, I think the issue concerns the requirement that someone's preferences be followed. For example, it is one thing to say, I can't sponsor your package because you use cdbs and I don't know anything about it.

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:11 -0400, Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez wrote: He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors a package. I'm not sure about this reference to a quality standard multiple people in this thread are making. I did not question anything about the quality, just about

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I agree. However, I think the issue concerns the requirement that someone's preferences be followed. For example, it is one thing to say, I can't sponsor your package because you use cdbs and I don't know anything about it. It is completely different to say, I

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 04:29:58AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Daniel many times told me that for example, I shouldn't use 2 blank lines on my debian/rules, don't have empty space a end of line in my copyright, and things like that. I agree it doesn't mater MUCH, but it's still better the

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 09:09:30PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: first, i'm a debian developer without any delegation (especially not for anything mentors related). i'm not even involved in anything with the mentors infrastructure. I applaud your work. There are too few people who are

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Joey Hess
Thomas Goirand wrote: Daniel many times told me that for example, I shouldn't use 2 blank lines on my debian/rules, don't have empty space a end of line in my copyright, and things like that. I agree it doesn't mater MUCH, but it's still better the way he advise me to correct. I would much

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I would not seriously expect anyone to sponsor a package of mine with an outstanding issue like that. please read the whole mail about his debian/rules and why i prefere to not sponsor such packages. giving the impression, i wouldn't sponsor packages due to

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Roberto C Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, I choose to not change things which are a matter of preference, then that should not impact the sponsor's willingness to sponsor the package. For the potential sponsor to do that would come off as elitist. What if I like two blank lines

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 09:57:14PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I would not seriously expect anyone to sponsor a package of mine with an outstanding issue like that. please read the whole mail about his debian/rules and why i prefere to not sponsor such

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the other hand I don't think he has something to change, I really do appreciate all the work he does and how he does. He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors a package. Erm. Fixing the number of whitespaces in scripts,

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the other hand I don't think he has something to change, I really do appreciate all the work he does and how he does. He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors a package. Erm. Fixing the

Re: Tone-of-voice used by sponsors

2007-01-14 Thread Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez
On 1/14/07, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the other hand I don't think he has something to change, I really do appreciate all the work he does and how he does. He imposes a high quality standard when he sponsors