Re: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontDesk/Tips

2009-08-12 Thread Simon Huggins
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:21:32PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 The first bit that I wanted to add to it was Things to do before asking
 questions from the templates, where I'd like to condensate some of the
 things discussed during Debconf.

Ah.  Are there records of those discussions?  Was DAM involved?  It
seems to involve trying to reduce the templated questions asked so I was
wondering how as an AM you know if you've asked enough to satisfy FD and
DAM.

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Re: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontDesk/Tips

2009-08-12 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi!

Simon Huggins schrieb:
 Ah.  Are there records of those discussions?

No, not all sessions could be covered :(


 Was DAM involved?

Yes, at least Jörg Ganneff Jaspert and Wouter were present, maybe
Christoph Myon Berg, too, but I could be wrong with Christoph (having
a seat in the row behing the last one).


Best regards,
 Alexander



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AM report for Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org

2009-08-12 Thread Enrico Zini
1. Identification  Account Data

   First name:  Carl
   Last name:   Worth
   Key fingerprint: 1024D/AF2A4968 FA69 2554 8C9A C52C 311B  4A9D E890 DD36 
AF2A 4968
   Account: cworth
   Forward email:   cwo...@cworth.org

   ID check passed, key signed by several existing developers.

   Output from keycheck.sh:

   Syncing Debian Keyrings with rsync from keyring.debian.org
   Receiving and checking key
   gpg: requesting key AF2A4968 from hkp server keys.gnupg.net
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   gpg: NOTE: signature key D70AAFF9 expired Tue Feb 17 09:15:24 2009 GMT
   pub   1024D/AF2A4968 2001-12-11
 Key fingerprint = FA69 2554 8C9A C52C 311B  4A9D E890 DD36 AF2A 4968
   uid  Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org
   sig! F2CF01A8 2005-04-23  Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com
   sig! B28C5995 2005-04-25  Brendan O'Dea b...@debian.org
   sig! 37A79149 2005-07-21  Stuart R. Anderson ander...@netsweng.com
   sig! 6ADBB200 2005-07-21  Michel Daenzer mic...@daenzer.net
   sig!125BCD5BF 2005-04-20  Pascal Hakim p...@jhk.net.au
   sig!2D70AAFF9 2005-04-20  Matthias Urlichs sm...@smurf.noris.de
   sig!2A7D91602 2005-04-20  Andrew Pollock apoll...@debian.org
   sig!2E160649A 2005-04-25  Matt Hope do...@debian.org
   sig!28E7C03FF 2005-05-19  Matthew Wilcox wi...@debian.org
   sig!2128287E8 2005-06-04  Dafydd Harries d...@rhydd.org
   sig!3096C4DD3 2005-01-08  Keith Packard kei...@keithp.com
   sig!364011A8B 2005-04-26  Jonathan Oxer (Linux Australia) 
j...@linux.org.au
   sig!31880283C 2005-05-02  Anibal Monsalve Salazar ani...@debian.org
   sig!3AF2A4968 2004-11-16  Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org
   [...cut away revoked UIDs...]
   sub   1024g/8E3CD8D6 2001-12-11
   sig! AF2A4968 2001-12-11  Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org
   
   Let's test if its a version 4 or greater key
   Key is OpenPGP version 4 or greater.  Good!
   Check for key expire stuff
   Valid e flag on key 0xE890DD36AF2A4968, no expiration
   Valid s flag on key 0xE890DD36AF2A4968, no expiration

2. Background
-
   Applicant writes:

   I have been running Linux-based free-software distributions since 1996.
   My first exposures were to Slackware and Red Hat Linux, but as soon as I
   discovered Debian it felt immediately like home to me, and I've been
   running it ever since.
   
   I've been making free-software contributions since about 2000 with my
   most significant contribution being the creation and maintenance of the
   cairo graphics library (http://cairographics.org). I also make regular
   contributions to the X.org, (particularly the intel driver).
   
   Bdale Garbee has been encouraging me to become more formally involved
   with Debian, and invited me to start co-maintaining several of his
   packages. I've been working through the bug lists for gzip and tar and
   fixing as much as possible there.
   
   In the future I'd like to take a more active role in helping with the
   maintenance of software I've actually written, (such as cairo and X).
   And I might have the odd project or two to contribute as new packages.

   Google says:
   From a quick search, there are computer science papers with Carl's
   name, activity in X since at least 2002, he founded the Cairo project
   together with Keith Packard (see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_(graphics)),
   he created (or was among the creators of) the ipkg package manager
   for Embedded systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipkg), he seems to
   have been a RedHat maintainer since at least 2002 and he has worked
   for RedHat for 4 years. There is indeed much more, but I think this
   gives the idea. Also, this is a result of my playing with Google and
   is by no means intended to be complete or precise.

3. Philosophy and Procedures
-
   Carl has a good understanding of Debian's philosophy and procedures
   and answered all my questions about the social contract,
   DFSG, BTS, etc. in a good way. Carl committed to uphold the SC and DFSG
   in his Debian work and accepts the DMUP.

4. Tasks and Skills
---
   Carl has a good understanding of the technical side of Debian.
   Carl is comaintainer of gzip and tar (sponsored by Bdale Garbee).
   All packages are in good shape.
   Carl also answered my other questions regarding TS without problems
   and provided manpages and patches for RC bugs.

5. Recommendation
-
   I recommend to 

Re: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontDesk/Tips

2009-08-12 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:07:53AM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:21:32PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
  The first bit that I wanted to add to it was Things to do before asking
  questions from the templates, where I'd like to condensate some of the
  things discussed during Debconf.
 
 Ah.  Are there records of those discussions?  Was DAM involved?  It
 seems to involve trying to reduce the templated questions asked so I was
 wondering how as an AM you know if you've asked enough to satisfy FD and
 DAM.

The notes have been posted here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2009/07/msg00034.html

I think that the main thing that can be extracted from the notes to
answer your question is this one:

 - common sense is more effective that you'd imagine

I'm neither part of FD nor DAM, but that was IIRC the consensus during
the BOF.


Ciao,

Enrico

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Re: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontDesk/Tips

2009-08-12 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Enrico Zini dijo [Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:58:22PM +0100]:
   The first bit that I wanted to add to it was Things to do before asking
   questions from the templates, where I'd like to condensate some of the
   things discussed during Debconf.
  
  Ah.  Are there records of those discussions?  Was DAM involved?  It
  seems to involve trying to reduce the templated questions asked so I was
  wondering how as an AM you know if you've asked enough to satisfy FD and
  DAM.
 
 The notes have been posted here:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2009/07/msg00034.html
 
 I think that the main thing that can be extracted from the notes to
 answer your question is this one:
 
  - common sense is more effective that you'd imagine
 
 I'm neither part of FD nor DAM, but that was IIRC the consensus during
 the BOF.

A couple of weeks before this discussion, I was talking about this
same topic with Mako, who stopped by for some days in Mexico (and who
I am adding as a Cc: in case he does not follow -newmaint). He
strongly stressed that he never follows the template questions, and I
found his position quite sound. Although more time-consuming and
engaging for the AM (and possibly for FD+DAM at the review, as they
would not be familiar at all with the topics discussed), engaging in a
true conversation leading to find the weakest -or most interesting-
spots in an applicant's PP and TS.

Mako told me he used to push people to stay away from templates, but
is less pushy nowadays as he is less active/visible here. He told me
he would publish (at least in an AM-visible way) a couple of his mail
interchanges — I believe we can learn a bit from that approach. So,
this mail is basically to push him to do so :)

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Re: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontDesk/Tips

2009-08-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
 Simon Huggins schrieb:
  Ah.  Are there records of those discussions?
 
 No, not all sessions could be covered :(

This one was specifically not recorded in case we had to discuss
examples of problematic NM.

  Was DAM involved?
 
 Yes, at least Jörg Ganneff Jaspert and Wouter were present, maybe
 Christoph Myon Berg, too, but I could be wrong with Christoph (having
 a seat in the row behing the last one).

Ganneff was there but not Myon.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: AM report for Franck Joncourt franck.m...@dthconnex.com

2009-08-12 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:09:46 +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:

 2. Background
 -
Applicant writes:

In the meantime, I found a nice software to work on: fwknop.
Unfortunately, there was no Debian package. Thus, I decided to do my
first package. It took me a while to make it work as I wanted, but I
really enjoyed it. Talking with upstream and Debian members to get
something nice was really a pleasure. I joined the Debian perl group
for that purpose and I try to help when I can.

 4. Tasks and Skills
 ---

He is also a member of the debian-perl group, and has done several
uploads of various perl packages.

Right, Franck is a member of the pkg-perl group since May 2005 or so;
it was pleasant to prepare the first packages with him, and since
then he steadily takes care of them and helps out with others.
 
 5. Recommendation
 -
I recommend to accept Franck as a Debian Developer.

/me 2

Cheers,
gregor 
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