Re: [PATCH] Specify policy for use of revision IDs in version numbers

2011-04-30 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 03:51:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: + p + The upstream version number must not include a non-linear + revision ID or hash, since it cannot help in ordering + versions and it tends to result in

Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-04-12 Thread sean finney
Hi Lars, On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 06:41:10PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: But shouldn't we say they _must_ lock package-specific system users and groups when the package is removed ? I think that's a good idea. Steve Langasek in the bug (#621833) and others agree, so I think there's a

Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-04-10 Thread sean finney
Hi all, On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 02:25:36AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I agree that the accounts should not be deleted, but that the packages should still be responsible for certain forms of cleanup: - removing the user home directory (on purge?) - locking the account - (optional)

Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2011-04-10 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:03:34AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: sean finney sean...@seanius.net writes: For locking the account, I think it could be problematic if you have some kind of central account management system (i.e. LDAP/AD), and you don't want to lock it globally. Yeah

Bug#587377: debian-policy: Decide on arbitrary file/path names limit

2011-03-03 Thread Sean Finney
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 15:58 -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: * how many characters of grace area can tools like dpkg-divert feel free to use? I don't think tools should be like whoa, i think this filename is going to be too long for some arbitrary value, nor should they be like

Bug#587377: debian-policy: Decide on arbitrary file/path names limit

2011-03-02 Thread Sean Finney
Hi, I don't think policy really has much place establishing an arbitrary file limit either, though. Having a warning in lintian for arbitrarily long (perhaps = 256) filenames is totally reasonable i'd say, but there's no reason to otherwise throw out limits for the sake of having them. It

Bug#587377: debian-policy: Decide on arbitrary file/path names limit

2011-03-02 Thread Sean Finney
hi jonathan, On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 13:11 -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Now that I check, the path provoking this was 269 characters (including leading '.'). I'm able to install the package, both on tmpfs and ext4, without trouble. I suppose it would be interesting to know: what was the

Bug#614807: debian-policy: Please document autobuilder-imposed build-dependency alternative restrictions

2011-02-26 Thread Sean Finney
there and since it was not describing any particular rules but more explanatory in nature. Sean From 5a9f66da4f9e0ca92ed8cb4ff20225896963bf04 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sean Finney sean...@debian.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:14:56 + Subject: [PATCH] Document restrictions

Bug#614807: debian-policy: Please document autobuilder-imposed build-dependency alternative restrictions

2011-02-23 Thread Sean Finney
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 18:22 +, Roger Leigh wrote: Yes, this might need rewording. Some people claimed it was useful for backports, so if the backports buildds are using the aptitude resolver, they could make use of the alternatives without any changes to debian/control; maybe it could be

Bug#104373: Subdirectory under /usr/lib/cgi-lib should be explicitly allowed

2010-06-13 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 06:03:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: If not, there is not much advantage to move them under /usr/lib as it is done now. Most other parts for packaged web sites are already in /usr/share/package. For simple sites, having the CGIs in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ makes the

Bug#582109: debian-policy: document triggers where appropriate

2010-05-18 Thread sean finney
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:50:02PM +0200, Raphaƫl Hertzog wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.4.0 Severity: normal The policy needs to be updated to take into account the dpkg triggers. At the very least it needs to document the new invocations of the postinst in chapter 6 (postinst

Re: Possible MBF wrt common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread sean finney
hi jan, On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: Not that I'm opposing to what you're saying but... every application in the archive is configured during the installation process, possibly asking debconf questions, providing defaults etc. After the installation it

Re: Possible MBF wrt common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-09 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 06:15:42PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I frankly hope that with /vendor/ + /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ (which we already have), and maybe with some symlinks under /vendor/ we will be able to address quite a lot of issues. It would be interesting to known which one we can't.

Bug#553576: Policy should not encourage violation of the FHS

2009-11-01 Thread sean finney
Hi Manoj, On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 02:01:50AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Whoa. What makes for the situation to be unvoidable? Why should this ever be needed? What if the (optinal) /var/www is not the document root, and is not a symlink to the document root? I think we

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread sean finney
hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another package to silently break the system? what defines silently break the system? that's

Bug#535577: debian-policy: what to do with user-generated data (databases) on purge

2009-07-05 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:04:46PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Or on removal, something like Removing this package will remove your data in blahblah. Are you sure you want to continue? or better yet Do you want to remove the data in blahblah? [Yes] [No] -- so you could uninstall the package

Bug#215549: Why should the postinst care if it is being confiugured or reconfigured?

2009-07-02 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:44:50AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The question is, why should we change something so deeply deployed as package postinst API without compelling reasons that the postinst should treat an upgrade differently from a reconfigure, especially since the user

Re: Vcs-* and Other Fields

2009-06-25 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:04:59AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:06:54AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: If one is using a tool such as git-buildpackage, the debian and upstream branches are the *minimum* required information however. That sounds to me like a defect in

Bug#206684: mandatory use of debconf for user prompting a release goal for squeeze

2009-03-19 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:29:35PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Is there actually packages that does not use debconf ? dpkg... sean signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#206684: mandatory use of debconf for user prompting a release goal for squeeze

2009-03-19 Thread sean finney
hi raphael, On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 08:10:21AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, sean finney wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:29:35PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Is there actually packages that does not use debconf ? dpkg... Not anymore, no. There's no prompting

Bug#515837: debian-policy: no location in menu policy for desktop pagers

2009-02-17 Thread sean finney
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.0.1 Severity: normal -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi, i'm giving some TLC to fbpager a workspace/desktop pager for the fluxbox window manager. while updating to the latest Standards-Version, menu-policy and lintian cleanliness, i have

Re: kydpdict relationships

2007-07-24 Thread sean finney
hi marcin, On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:28:09 pm Marcin Owsiany wrote: Hi, I hope this is the right list to ask on. i would suggest debian-devel, or possibly even debian-mentors. Now I need to decide what the relationship between these two should be. I would suggest at least a Recommends (as

Re: Bug#392362: [PROPOSAL] Add should not embed code from other packages

2007-06-26 Thread sean finney
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 18:15:47 Neil McGovern wrote: Great :) Not sure if these changes need re-seconding now though. well, if there's any possibility that they do, consider them re-seconded :) sean signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: question about initscripts

2006-12-02 Thread sean finney
hi fergal, On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 04:51 +, Fergal Daly wrote: The document above says that start should start the service but it seems there are quite a few debian packages where this does not work because their initscripts contain things like --- test -f /etc/default/fetchmail || exit

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread sean finney
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:41 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Here's a proposed patch. What do people think about this approach? I know there was an inconclusive Policy discussion a while back about how best to deal with this issue. As you can tell from this patch, I favor the approach of

Re: First draft of review of policy must usage

2006-10-26 Thread sean finney
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 03:07 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: What's the importance of Debian Policy if RM team can do whatever they want? How we can ensure that Debian has the minimal quality when it's get release? the change would make it reflect the fact that this is already the reality--that

Re: dak now supports ~ in version numbers

2006-08-09 Thread sean finney
cc'ing debian-policy for their feedback... On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:21:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * martin f. krafft: Thanks to the work of our DPL Anthony aj Towns (and all the other people who have worked on this without my knowledge), I am happy to announce that dak, our

Re: Policy 3.7.0 - /usr/lib/cgi-{bin|lib}

2006-05-03 Thread sean finney
hey joey (et al), On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:33:58PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: sean finney wrote: this is a surprising change. guess that's what i get for not being subscribed to -policy :) Not really, it was last discussed on -policy in 2003, so being subscribed wouldn't have helped, I'm

Re: Policy 3.7.0 - /usr/lib/cgi-{bin|lib}

2006-05-03 Thread sean finney
hey joey, On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:51:50PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: AFAIK apache2 is the only web server package that allows scriptaliases to be added to it in a policy conformant way (by dropping config file snippets into /etc/apache2/conf.d/. Other web servers that support scriptalias,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: init scripts and the reload target]

2006-01-22 Thread sean finney
is that by sending it to debian-policy i might get some additional feedback. thanks, sean ps - please cc me, i'm not on debian-policy - Forwarded message from sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:19:58 -0500 From: sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel