Re: Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:38:49PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros uttered: There are a number of binaries which should go into /bin instead of /sbin or /usr/sbin -- the full argument is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200106/msg00878.html ARGHHH! We've been through this,

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:38:49PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: I have only one thing to add to that list: traceroute should be moved, _not_ to /usr/bin as lots of people claim, but to /bin . It's as necessary and useful as ping to diagnose networking trouble, and /usr might be

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:38:49PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: I have only one thing to add to that list: traceroute should be moved, _not_ to /usr/bin as lots of people claim, but to /bin . It's as necessary and useful as ping to diagnose networking trouble, and /usr might be

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 11:05:59PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: I guess it says something for policy not needing to be used as a stick; a mere 'should' has clearly sufficed. Well, if I downgrade my must not's to should not's, would you second the proposal? -- G. Branden Robinson|

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 08:36:05PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.6.0 Severity: wishlist Debian uses the traditional mailbox style by default. However, it has some disadvantages over maildir -- one of them is that it does a non-reversible

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 19, Cesar Eduardo Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eximconfig) and all the MUAs must be able to grok it without needing any manual configuration Are you offering to be the one which will patch everything and make the upstream maintainers merge maildir support? And don't forget POP

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Benchmarking mbox versus maildir http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/ This has to be a joke. Everybody who knows something about mail servers can tell UW-* programs suck. The benchmark only confirms this, not that

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 12:51:05PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: (it usually is not, and it definitely is not for tipical POP servers). Still, deleting messages from a mbox-style mailbox means copying the entire mailbox usually at least twice. Copying it once and renaming it, surely?

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 01:32:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: and broken NFS locking. Is there any other kind? -- G. Branden Robinson| When dogma enters the brain, all Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual activity ceases. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 08:36:05PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Debian uses the traditional mailbox style by default. However, it has some disadvantages over maildir -- one of them is that it does a non-reversible modification to the message's text if it contains the sequence 'From ' at

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:31:58AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 08:36:05PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Debian uses the traditional mailbox style by default. However, it has some disadvantages over maildir -- one of them is that it does a non-reversible

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 02:52:37PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:38:49PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: I have only one thing to add to that list: traceroute should be moved, _not_ to /usr/bin as lots of people claim, but to /bin . It's as necessary and

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 02:17:40PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: See the second reference I gave in the original message... That tells us that UW-imap sucks. And that's not news.

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: This proposal was not about traceroute. It was about everything else (ifconfig, route, mke2fs, e2fsck, etc -- everything a normal user runs and yet are at sbin). The traceroute thing was just a footnote. A normal user who runs ifconfig, route or mkfs?

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 19, Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (it usually is not, and it definitely is not for tipical POP servers). Still, deleting messages from a mbox-style mailbox means copying the entire mailbox usually at least twice. That can cause a heavy A tipical POP user downloads

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-19 Thread Chris Waters
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 11:06:36PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Well, if I downgrade my must not's to should not's, would you second the proposal? That wasn't addressed to me, but my reaction is the same as it was to the original proposal: this doesn't belong in policy. It belongs in

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Chris Waters
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 02:15:40PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: This proposal was not about traceroute. It was about everything else Oh yes, very tricky. This subterfuge had us all fooled. Bah! -- Chris Waters | Pneumonoultra-osis is too long [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#109182: marked as done (Removing more historical cruft)

2001-08-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:57:51 -0300 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line I give up has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Neal H Walfield
A normal user who runs ifconfig, route or mkfs? That's about as likely as the pope suddenly switching to budaism. Is the pope running the Hurd? pgprjM8RHRSLS.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
According to Anthony Towns: On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 12:51:05PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: (it usually is not, and it definitely is not for tipical POP servers). Still, deleting messages from a mbox-style mailbox means copying the entire mailbox usually at least twice.

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A normal user who runs ifconfig, route or mkfs? That's about as likely as the pope suddenly switching to budaism. Since the first two's default behaviour is to *query*, and since no special privileges are needed in order to get a reply back, it's