Hi Russ and Gregor,
thanks for your feedback,
I think that I made most of the points I was thinking about and hope
that some of them related to Simple English and jargon can be useful in
the future. I also understand your point of view. One final comment I
would like to make is that the format
Hi Russ,
Le Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 06:08:16PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> I do find the use of paragraph the way we were previously using it to
> be confusing, particularly given that the paragraphs contain fields
> which in turn contain actual paragraphs in the normal sense of the
> term.
Hi all,
while I do not want to pull the handbrake I would like to add my
minority opinion to that change:
Le Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 04:11:43PM +, Russ Allbery (@rra) a écrit :
>
> The «stanza» name is a commonly used and understood term when referring
> to deb822 blocks. Although «paragraph»
Package: debian-policy
Version: 4.6.0.1
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: ple...@debian.org
Hi Russ and Sean,
it is a long time I have not posted here!
In the previous release cycle, I have split the mime-support into the
media-types and the mailcap packages.
The patch below updates the Policy to
se which one would expect to find on
> > | any Unix-like system. If the expectation is that an experienced Unix
> > | person who found it missing would say "What on earth is going on, where
> > | is foo?", it must be an important package.
Le Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:0
the network, plus the bare minimum of commonly-expected and
necessary tools to administrate the system. This does not include
space-consuming features such as documentationa and multilingual support.
(The last sentence above is there because man-db, debian-faq and locales are
all priority:standard).
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Le Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 06:35:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org> writes:
>
> >> -
> >> -Version 3.9.8.0
> >> +
> >> +Version 3.9.8
> >>
> >
may be specified."
https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version
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> -
> -Version 3.9.8.0
> +
> +Version 3.9.8
>
>
>Released April, 2016.
> @@ -318,8 +329,8 @@
>
>
>
> -
> -Version 3.9.7.0
> +
> +Version 3.9.7
Hello everybody,
isn't there a risk to break links with that change ?
Have a nice day,
[Please CC
Le Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 05:50:13PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> This is a huge change, including the conversion to DocBook
Many thanks to you, Guillem, Osamu and everybody else how made this happen !
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Can a Policy Editor upload the updated Policy ? If you are short of time, I
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istred in the desktop menu shall
> ---^
Corrected, thanks.
>From this and the "colon" patch I conclude that I definitely need to go to bed.
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Le Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 03:15:33PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
>
> This patch doesn't have Jakub's suggestion to drop : too.
Woops, sorry (new patch attached).
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Le Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 01:40:34PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
> Le samedi, 26 septembre 2015, 15.03:09 Charles Plessy a écrit :
> > Le Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 03:17:30PM +0200, Jakub Wilk a écrit :
> > > * Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.or
e seconds, this bug will go to bitrot and the Policy will not change.
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Le Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 09:24:20AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
>
> For what I'm concerned, at least for the "cherry-picking" part of the TC
> decision, please go ahead.
Commited and pushed!
I attached a consolidated patch that summarises the changes.
Cheers,
Le Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 03:17:30PM +0200, Jakub Wilk a écrit :
> * Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org>, 2015-09-24, 21:53:
> >- : ~ (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon,
> >+ : ~ (full stop, plus, hyphen,
>
> Remove :, too.
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From: Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:49:44 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] Policy: [5.6.12] forbid colons in package version numbers.
Wording: Char
it repository on Alioth, so if
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t;
>
>
Hi Didier,
thanks a lot to you and the TC for bringing this issue to a conclusion.
I think that your patch is good. Minor nitpick: the Policy does not use the
word "shall" much - I guess it is to help non-native speakers like me. If I
understand well, it mea
Le Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:10:31PM +0200, Julien Cristau a écrit :
>
> for some time I've been uploading packages with Maintainer set to a
> mailing list and no Uploaders field. In cases where some package kind
> of fit within a team, but noone cares specifically about that individual
> package,
, as it serves no meaningful purpose nowadays, except
possibly historical interest. (And for that, we have archives.)
Hi Julian.
why not... I am opening a bug so that your proposition does not get forgotten...
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because:
- the FTP team is free to refuse to review a package that they consider
problematic enough. Here, the problem being when copyright information is
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Uploads to suites
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new 23da4a4 Uploads to suites other than unstable/experimental should
are normally uploaded into unstable. Uploads to unstable or
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from the first line of the debian/changelog file and places it in
.
Are we ready to call for seconds on this one ?
For #795402 (Creative Commons licenses), I think that the problem reported
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makes it very hard to include them.
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sect
Even after that change, the sentence Every package must be accompanied by a
verbatim copy of its copyright information and distribution license in the file
/usr/share/doc/package/copyright still appears twice in the Policy.
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Control: tag -1 patch
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
thanks for reminding us of #768292. I think that it reached broad consensus
for the addition of the MPLs to /usr/share/common-licenses.
I attached a patch that modifies the Policy accordingly.
Are we ready to call
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I am tempted to also add the following:
diff --git a/common.ent b/common.ent
index 7991a00..e94970a 100644
--- a/common.ent
+++ b/common.ent
@@ -101,7 +101,7 @@
!ENTITY url-low-threshold-nmu https://wiki.debian.org
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Update section
Control: tag -1 pending
Le Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 03:42:39PM +0200, Jakub Wilk a écrit :
§A.8.4 mentions the debian-maintainers package, but this package was removed
from the archive in 2010.
Le Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:21:19AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
how about the following
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how about just replacing all occurences of debview by debian-el ?
This would break URLs referencing to the current section ID (debview), but I
believe that they should be very rare. Moreover, it only breaks the anchor,
so
this would not cause a HTTP error.
I just
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I propose to go ahead by removing §A.7.1. Are there objections or
counter-proposals ?
Sounds good to me.
Thanks for the support; I committed the change.
I
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I think that the mention of quinn-diff can be removed from the Developer's
Reference. This can be done in two ways.
- Remove §A.7.1 on quinn-diff. Then obviously §A.7.2 on dpkg-cross will
become the new §A.7.1
?
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keys of Debian Maintainers are now distributed in the
+systemitem role=packagedebian-keyring/systemitem package.
See ulink url=url-wiki-dm;/ulink for more information.
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-el has little relevance to the section on which it
is presented (Documentation and information - The following packages provide
information for maintainers or help with building documentation). Maybe
it can be moved or removed ?
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idea. Anyway, liblockfile 1.01 was released in 1999, so no
version constraint is necessary.
Let's remove this footnote.
Hi Jakub,
good point, I agree. I think that this footnote is obsolete and can be removed.
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Subject: [PATCH] Correct sentences that did not take into account that
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Closes: #793999
---
policy.sgml | 11
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 02:12:31PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit :
This is not the case. I made my position clear the first time in the bug log,
but one year later Charles decided to restart the discussion while ignoring
all
that was previously said. That made me angry and I have a policy
will be on business trip in Trieste for one week.
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Le Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 03:55:46PM +0200, Martin Erik Werner a écrit :
In newer versions of lintian, this warning has changed, so the
following file:
###
Format:
http
that this tag is a false positive on several of my packages (for
instance libbio-graphics-perl).
Should this bug be re-assigned to lintian ?
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of extra work for the translators.
What would people think about switching to DocBook XML within the next six
months ?
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traction before adding it to the specification.
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We should document that to prevent /lib64 to be used for wrong purpose.
In any case I'm not quite sure whether shipping files in lib64 in amd64
packages (juffed/juffed-dev and zynaddsubfx-dssi do this now) is OK.
I only
relationship is not needed anymore.
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Charles Plessy:
Later, I might propose on debian-devel and debian-dpkg to forbid empty
fields
in the whole specification (which means, since we are not using empty
fields,
to guarantee that valid files do
, by empty I mean: nothing or whitespace only after
the colon.)
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control
files ? I have not found any. (In the sense that a field that only
contains
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Then they are not empty: there is a big difference between Depends: and
Depends: ${foo}. I think that it would be very confusing if we would
refer
them as empty
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package maintainers be enough ?
- Should the debian-boot and debian-cd mailing lists be notified as well ?
- Is a message to debian-devel needed ?
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for you as a user or a developer, in a way that has no practical alternative ?
Or said differently, what would break concretely for you if tomorrow the
Optional and Extra priorities were merged ?
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MPL 2.0 853
SIL OFL 1.0 13
SIL OFL 1.1 567
Total number of packages: 73267
How about adding both MPLs to /usr/share/common-licenses ?
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and long, which is just a matter of
taste. :)
Good news.
Simon, would it solve your problem if the MPL-2.0 license were added
to /usr/share/common-license ?
(By the way, for the record, I consider that /usr/share/common-license is not a
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was no.
But you can have a look at tools/license-count in the Policy's source package,
and run it again at lintian.debian.org to see if the situation changed
significantly. That would solve your problem with this license.
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, and the information of what the
transitive priority of a package can be calculated or served in a separate
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for instance #661417.
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better. Thanks.
Thanks Russ, I think that this new paragraph is very useful.
If need is I second its addition.
This addition will cause the current section 3.9 (Maintainer Scripts) to be
renumbered 3.10, but I do not expect this to cause big confusions.
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that the workding is very good, thanks to you and Johannes. I second
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be parcimonious in opposition, and keep it only for changes that have a major
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Here is a patch to update the Policy accordingly. Do you have comments ?
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 07:44:19AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Anybody wanting to see the Testsuite field documented in the Policy, please
Le Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:36:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.9.5
Severity: wishlist
Hi Guillem and everybody,
thanks for adding direct support for the Testsuite field in Dpkg.
Here is a patch to update the Policy accordingly. Do you have
overrides. Patches
were submitted in 2003 and 2010. Is there a wording that you find more
suitable ?
- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=196367#65
- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=196367#104
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.9.5
Severity: wishlist
Hi Guillem and everybody,
thanks for adding direct support for the Testsuite field in Dpkg.
Here is a patch to update the Policy accordingly. Do you have comments ?
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field ? Do you
think that modifications are needed ? Would you second it ?
https://bugs.debian.org/756835
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Everybody's suggestions are welcome !
Have a nice week-end, and big thank you to Ansgar and the other FTP Masters for
the source-only uploads !
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Date: Mon Jul 21 20:13:43 2014 +0200
Fix typo in NMU
, it is desirable
+issues, or fixes for trivial bugs that block a transition, it is desirable
that the fixed package reaches literalunstable/literal sooner.
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+ details how to achieve that).
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 09:42:23AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I agree with the intent, but I think that the wording is too restrictive,
since
a package
a large number of source packages.
See the documentation of packageautotools-dev/package or
packagedh-autoreconf/package for examples on how to achieve that.
(Feel free to correct my English).
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