Re: Original sources, or not

2003-10-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Glenn McGrath wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:01:46 +0200 Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many packages seem to contain .orig.tar.gz files which may or may not be directly related to the files actually available from upstream. That is unfortunate. How about changing the

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-10-25 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:21:16PM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote: How about changing the tarball name if the source has been modified by debian. The name .orig.tar.gz does tend to indicate its the original source rather than the debian modified source. Perhaps tarballs that arent the

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-10-24 Thread Chris Waters
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:21:16PM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote: Perhaps tarballs that arent the original source should remove the .orig and just use .tar.gz, or use some other extension such as debian.tar.gz A simpler approach (and one I've used) is to generate a new upstream version number

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-10-23 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:01:46 +0200 Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, many packages seem to contain .orig.tar.gz files which may or may not be directly related to the files actually available from upstream. That is unfortunate. I think that it would make sense to add a

Re: Re: Original sources, or not

2003-10-04 Thread Dimitry N. Naldaev
Hi I got the link on the discussion from DWN NN39 and becouse I had been affected by the problem on the suject in the near past, I have some words to say as end user of Debian system... On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:01:46AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, many packages seem to contain

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:01:26AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Pristine sources are already a desired, but not required, characteristic. There are enough brain dead upstream packaging practices that we can not mandate pristine sources. Dont go blaming upstream for debians problems,

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-28 Thread Santiago Vila
Josip Rodin wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Pristine sources are already a desired, but not required, characteristic. There are enough brain dead upstream packaging practices that we can not mandate pristine sources. Dont go blaming upstream for debians problems, lots of other

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-19 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:40:12 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Uhh, if you can't create the identical file, how can you get one with the same md5sum? Have you cracked md5sum? What am I missing? (A) run md5sum across all files in an

Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, many packages seem to contain .orig.tar.gz files which may or may not be directly related to the files actually available from upstream. That is unfortunate. I think that it would make sense to add a requirement to Policy that the .orig.tar.gz file should be an unmodified copy from

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:01:46 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, many packages seem to contain .orig.tar.gz files which may or may not be directly related to the files actually available from upstream. That is unfortunate. I think that it would make sense to add a

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This would be an undue burden on a number of packages. What's undue about inserting a I created the .orig.tar.gz package by calling 'make clean_all_generated_files'. sentence in the copyright / readme / whatever file? That's all I'd require. Anything else would

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:25:37 +1000, Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:01:25 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pristine sources are already a desired, but not required, characteristic. There are enough brain dead upstream packaging practices that we

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: While I admit that pristine sources are a good thing (which is  why not having pristine sources is deprecated); it is way premature  to suggest making  that a policy requirement. You might have misunderstood me. I advocate requiring either - package pristine

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Roland Mas
Glenn McGrath, 2003-09-18 10:30:18 +0200 : On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:01:25 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pristine sources are already a desired, but not required, characteristic. There are enough brain dead upstream packaging practices that we can not mandate pristine

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Bob Hilliard
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, many packages seem to contain .orig.tar.gz files which may or may not be directly related to the files actually available from upstream. That is unfortunate. I think that it would make sense to add a requirement to Policy that the

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:16:49 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: This would be an undue burden on a number of packages. What's undue about inserting a I created the .orig.tar.gz package by calling 'make clean_all_generated_files'. sentence in the

Re: Original sources, or not

2003-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:40:12 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: While I admit that pristine sources are a good thing (which is  why not having pristine sources is deprecated); it is way premature  to suggest making  that a policy requirement. You might