Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-18 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:00 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: If that's what an upstream is after, they should pick a different software license; Non-Commercial terms are non-free. If they want to exclude commercial distribution they should not be involved in Free Software. Free as in Freedom, the

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-18 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 14:25 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: and I'd be willing to accept that we may need to improve Yes. FYI Not my new toy. I'm not affiliated with and have no relation to payswarm. The technical mechanism isn't as important as the social ones. M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: site requesting user's charity You mean user's involvement. You don't want users to be invited to participate in Debian. Debian isn't elitist and it shouldn't care that the tool being deployed is money rather than time. Your argument invites

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: They are not the same thing at all. The social effects are almost completely different. It's not a false equivalence. Participation is not just about being a programmer, if you can convince a programmer to get involved on your behalf, then

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 04:28 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Many DDs and DMs work as consultants or contractors. If a user wants to use their money as a tool for Debian development, they should hire one or more of these developers to work on the specific things the user is interested in.

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 21:18 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: how Debian is in the way Debian takes code from websites with donation buttons, economic incentive options, kickstarter updates, support contracts, developer sponsorships, programs and projects of all kinds and general invitations to

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-16 Thread Martin Owens
psychology and Debian's social structure, not with money itself. Thanks for the debate. Martin Owens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 13:25 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: If you're seriously attempting to equate I'll buy you a beer if you help me with corrupt bribery, then I suspect the net effect is going to be that people stop reading the rest of your argument. It's not serious, it's absurdism. A

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: We have never needed it Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian should serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves in the project when they need it. Excluding people with money is just another way of

Re: OPW; the result of the experiment

2013-06-02 Thread Martin Owens
to their female engineering and computer science students, then 4 is a poor turnout. But if the invitation only went to existing Debian people and communicated within the Debian borders... the 4 is a fair turnout. Does OPW have a web presence? Best Regards, Martin Owens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Organic SEO for Debian.net

2013-05-16 Thread Martin Owens
On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 16:20 +, Mark Peterson wrote: Hope you are well. As part of our client research Oh I was hoping this was going to be about how someone had invented an Organic CEO for the Debian project. I was all jazzed up to hear about a crazy system for keeping the right CEO in

Re: Debian money

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Owens
, getting some tools put together or found that record money use, availability and purpose. http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/debian-money/ Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Steve McIntyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ