Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Hi, all, I'm sorry for jumping into this so late; just catching up on the email backlog. على الإثنين 18 تـمـوز 2016 ‫14:31، كتب Russ Allbery: > I believe threads stay in -private long past the point of requiring > privacy, not because people are particularly enamored of the audience or > posting

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

* Ian Jackson: > tl;dr: > pls can we create debian-members@l.d.o with posting acceptance rules > copied from debian-devel-announce[1] and subscriber list maintained in > sync with debian-private. I think the only half-successful setups for such discussion lists provide web-only read

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Just to chime in with a voice from a regular scientific Debian user: Whether there is a public or private Debian developers mailing list is about as relevant to me as the price of cheese on Venus. I honestly don't feel the community is any more open or closed regardless. As much as transparency

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 03:17:20PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > It's important in order to make the project feel more welcoming and open. I bet that's truer than you think it is.

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Clint Adams writes: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 02:31:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I'm extremely sympathetic to the problem you're trying to solve, but I >> think it's a fairly fundamental UI issue in how email works, and I'm >> dubious that creating another list will help

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

On Monday, July 18, 2016 08:58:53 PM Ole Streicher wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > I do think the example of Ubuntu splitting ubuntu-devel into ubuntu-devel > > and ubuntu-devel-discuss may be a relevant data point. As an active > > participant in Ubuntu development

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 02:31:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I'm extremely sympathetic to the problem you're trying to solve, but I > think it's a fairly fundamental UI issue in how email works, and I'm > dubious that creating another list will help much. Right, what we need is a way of

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Ian Jackson writes: > I think that such a list would provide an opportunity for discussions > to move out of -private, which is of course an even bigger barrier to > participation. I believe threads stay in -private long past the point of requiring privacy, not

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Scott Kitterman writes: > I do think the example of Ubuntu splitting ubuntu-devel into ubuntu-devel and > ubuntu-devel-discuss may be a relevant data point. As an active participant > in Ubuntu development both before and after the split I paid attention to it > (and

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

On Monday, July 18, 2016 07:53:23 PM Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 05:46:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > In any case, with the renewed opposition here I'm certainly not going > > to push this issue unless there are others who agree with me and > > disagree with the views

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 05:46:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > In any case, with the renewed opposition here I'm certainly not going > to push this issue unless there are others who agree with me and > disagree with the views of others posted so far. I agree what you proposed would be an

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to"): > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 01:47:19PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > We also need to understand why people use -private when perhaps they > > ought not. One reason is that -private has a better signal to noise >

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

Remember implies it's not happening still (not that anyone on this thread is guilty of this) Paul On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 05:19:21PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> I'm sorry to be so negative, but I'm afraid I

Re: Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

* Ian Jackson , 2016-07-18, 13:47: One reason is that -private has a better signal to noise ratio than -devel or -project, and therefore people pay more attention to it. The only @lists.d.o mailing lists I know that have worse signal-to-noise ratio than

Publicly-readable list for only DDs and DMs to post to

tl;dr: pls can we create debian-members@l.d.o with posting acceptance rules copied from debian-devel-announce[1] and subscriber list maintained in sync with debian-private. (Reply-to set to -project.) We've been having a good conversation on -vote about the declassification of -private.