Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:21:50PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: I assume Asheesh generated the newer key to have the same ID as the older – not nice… Yes, http://www.asheesh.org/note/debian/short-key-ids-are-bad-news.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Ah actually this is because 70096AD1 is not unique, and Zack has signed both of them. (I assume Asheesh generated the newer key to have the same ID as the older – not nice… Actually, yes, it is quite nice. Otherwise, all sort of bugs related to this

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stefano Zacchiroli dixit: The more useful question is how many of the signatures on your new key come from strong keys, and how many strong keys have you signed with that new key? Right. If you happen to have a oneliner to verify that I'll be happy to answer these questions :) Not exactly

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixi quod… got 328 signatures in total, 319 keys signed in total expect this to be 329 and 319, respectively Ah actually this is because 70096AD1 is not unique, and Zack has signed both of them. (I assume Asheesh generated the newer key to have the same ID as the older – not nice… but the

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-06 Thread Christoph Egger
Moin! Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: The more useful question is how many of the signatures on your new key come from strong keys, and how many strong keys have you signed with that new key? Right. If you happen to have a oneliner to verify that I'll be happy to answer these

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: In addition to Paul's numbers, we have also the DM keyring, which is in a much better shape quite probably because it's much newer. Good news. - Give a suitable time window for the key migration and disable old keys. Jonathan gave a

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 12:41:41AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Yes, our WoT has naturally weakened due to bitrot (i.e. cross-signatures made with keys which are later retired might have created WoT islands), but we do have at least identity assurance history. So, I've a question about

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:37:40AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Oh mighty Debian keyring maintainers and WoT gurus, what do you suggest to do in this respect? When is the right moment to retire old keys after migration to stronger ones? I think that you clearly reached the point where

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Jonathan McDowell
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:37:40AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: What worries me is that by revoking my old key I'll make the situation for the WoT worse. Given the current state and evolution trends of WoT, is it actually the case, as Gunnar hints at above, or not? OTOH by not retiring

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:17:48AM -0700, Jonathan McDowell wrote: Now. If you have a 2048 bit or larger key that has been signed by at least 2 other DDs but still have a 1024D key in our keyring you should be filing a request for replacement. I'm sorry, I realize only now I wasn't clear on

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-05 Thread Jonathan McDowell
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:32:18PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:17:48AM -0700, Jonathan McDowell wrote: Now. If you have a 2048 bit or larger key that has been signed by at least 2 other DDs but still have a 1024D key in our keyring you should be filing a

Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-04 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
It has been considered irresponsible to use 1024D keys at this point in time. What are the plans to disable 1024D keys? If you think SHA1 is still safe, have a look at the SHA1 decypter tool at: http://www.md5decrypter.co.uk/sha1-decrypt.aspx signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: It has been considered irresponsible to use 1024D keys at this point in time. What are the plans to disable 1024D keys? There are more people using 1024-bit keys than = 2048-bit keys (in debian-keyring.gpg), many of these are

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: There are more people using 1024-bit keys than = 2048-bit keys (in debian-keyring.gpg), many of these are active developers, some not so active. It would be a major human resources issue for Debian to disable all of those keys but I guess it is the only way

Re: Moving to stronger keys than 1024D

2013-10-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:26PM -0700]: I suspect that some of the problem is people feeling like they need to go through an in-person key signing to get their new key certified, which can be quite awkward depending on where one lives and how much day-to-day contact one has