Re: Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 10 septembre 2007 à 20:40 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : Also, eggs (as in the egg metadata that comes with the packages; not the optional pseudo-jar copying zip format) may be duplication but it is not needless duplication. Elf shared libraries and packages contain duplicate

Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 07 septembre 2007 à 22:53 +0200, Stefano Canepa a écrit : do you mean using setuptools upstream is bad for the resulting debian package? Could you explain why? Setuptools was designed by developers, for developers, and not much for users. More specifically, it was designed for

Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 04 septembre 2007 à 08:28 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : 1) Do we want to create eggs where they aren't provided upstream. I see that Debian's python-docutils package doesn't provide eggs in Etch but you guys

Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-10 Thread Ondrej Certik
On 9/10/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le vendredi 07 septembre 2007 à 22:53 +0200, Stefano Canepa a écrit : do you mean using setuptools upstream is bad for the resulting debian package? Could you explain why? Setuptools was designed by developers, for developers, and

Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-10 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
The most obnoxious things in setuptools, like automatic downloading of dependencies at runtime and shipping everything in egg files that have to be all decompressed on-the-fly by any python application being run, were deactivated in Debian. (I can't imagine an operating system where these

Re: Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 From: Gael Varoquaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To sum up, the problem is that setup tools is not designed to interact with the outside world. It does not provide an api for listing dependencies, does all kind of magic during the install, and insists for

Re: Python Egg Guidelines across distros

2007-09-07 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you need listen to anything the setuptools developers say, as they have close to zero understanding of the packaging issues they create for us. For users stuck in the middle, it would be good if there was a clear statement of exactly