Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-24 Thread Frans Pop
Stephen Powell wrote: OK, so if all three drivers support minidisks, then what is Debian bug report 447755 all about? The issue here is the *format* of the minidisk. A DASD device, be it a dedicated device or a minidisk, can have one of four formats under Linux for s390: cdl, ldl, CMS

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-24, Frans Pop wrote: Here's one of the reason why I cannot do anything about this: I only have access to Hercules running Linux, so I cannot create CMS formatted disks. Well, there are copies of very old releases of VM out there, such as VM/370 Release 6. VM/370 Release 6 has

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-24 Thread Frans Pop
Stephen Powell wrote: If I were to boil the problem definition down to one sentence it would be: Partman does not recognize the pre-existing partition on disks which are pre-formatted in the CMS non-reserved format or the CMS reserved format. Right. That narrows it down a lot. Partman is

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 24 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: Partman does not recognize the pre-existing partition on disks which are pre-formatted in the CMS non-reserved format or the CMS reserved format. Right. That narrows it down a lot. Partman is almost exclusively shell

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 24 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote: To start with: - What device name does such a partition have? - How could it be distinguished from a partitionable dasd? The output of the following command would be useful as well: # parted /dev/device print Please send the replies for these

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-18 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-14, Frans Pop wrote: By far the best way is to try to get *upstream* to include the patch in one of their stable updates for .32, so in 2.6.32.1 or 2.6.32.2. I would suggest proposing that on the linux-s390 mailing list. Pardon my ignorance, but would you mind giving me the full

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-16 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-15, Stephen Powell wrote: OK, so if all three drivers support minidisks, then what is Debian bug report 447755 all about? The issue here is the *format* of the minidisk. A DASD device, be it a dedicated device or a minidisk, can have one of four formats under Linux for s390: cdl,

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-16 Thread Stephen Powell
At the risk of flogging a dead horse, there's one more minor correction I need to make. On 2009-12-15, Stephen Powell wrote: cdl format: Low-level formatting: dasdfmt -d cdl (this is the default format for dasdfmt) Partitioning: fdasd (up to three partitions can be created) High-level

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-15 Thread Stephen Powell
That's really the wrong way to look at it. Just look at the headers from the mail: they clearly show that the mail was sent to you by the mailing list software. It was delivered to you because *you* subscribed to the list, not because *I* sent it to you. Other mail clients (such as my own

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-15 Thread Frans Pop
Stephen Powell wrote: When I click on reply, the To field is pre-filled-in with the poster's e-mail address. So, it's a limitation of *your* email client. The choice of client is up to you, but forcing its limitations on others is backwards. I don't think I understand what you are trying to

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-15 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-14, Adam Thornton wrote: On 2009-12-14, Stephen Powell wrote: Well, it's definitely a bug. But whether or not it affects a significant number of users is another story. This bug has been around since day 1 of the driver. And I'm apparently the first one to find it. So

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-15 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-15, Frans Pop wrote: OK. My s390 knowledge is very limited. My understanding was that minidisks were not supported at all (as there's a longstanding BR open to add support for them in the installer). OK, now I think I understand where the confusion lies. I'd start a new thread

Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-14 Thread Frans Pop
(No need to CC me; I read the list; see the Debian mailing list policy.) Hello Stephen, A few misconceptions in your mail. Let me try to correct them and offer some advise on who to proceed. But first of all: please don't hijack an existing thread for an unrelated issue; next time, please

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-14 Thread Stephen Powell
First of all, thank you very much for your lengthy reply. I am honored that you took the time to explain so many things. However, I believe that you have some misconceptions as well. (No need to CC me; I read the list; see the Debian mailing list policy.) Here is the exact wording from the

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 14 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: I *did* ask the kernel team. Yes, and I gave several reasons that could explain why they may not have replied. P.S. I never meant to imply that anything you did was wrong. I was just trying to explain why it was not

Re: Minidisk support (was: Installation Question)

2009-12-14 Thread Adam Thornton
On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: Well, it's definitely a bug. But whether or not it affects a significant number of users is another story. This bug has been around since day 1 of the driver. And I'm apparently the first one to find it. So claiming that it affects a