Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-17 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 09:07:10AM +0200, Elmar Stellnberger wrote: > That is not correct. You can make use of SSE instructions also in > x86_32/i386 mode. > > I found f.i.: > https://gcc.gcc.gnu.narkive.com/k0KqaZF2/i386-sse-test-question Well x86_64 uses it all the time, not just optionally,

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-15 Thread Elmar Stellnberger
On 14.04.22 15:45, Levis Yarema wrote: Is there in deed any reason to prefer amd64 over i586 if you have the choice and a machine with 2GB RAM or less, apart from perhaps long term support? Depends on the application. Encryption and decryption requiring the simulation of very larger

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-15 Thread Elmar Stellnberger
On 15.04.22 04:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 03:45:37PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: Is there in deed any reason to prefer amd64 over i586 if you have the choice and a machine with 2GB RAM or less, apart from perhaps long term support? Twice the registers and sse

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 03:45:37PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: > Is there in deed any reason to prefer amd64 over i586 if you have the > choice and a machine with 2GB RAM or less, apart from perhaps long term > support? Twice the registers and sse instructions for fpu rather than x87? -- Len

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Levis Yarema
Is there in deed any reason to prefer amd64 over i586 if you have the choice and a machine with 2GB RAM or less, apart from perhaps long term support? Am Do., 14. Apr. 2022 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Paul Wise : > On Tue, 2022-04-12 at 05:59 +0200, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: > > > And if it is indeed

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 02:34:22PM +0200, Elmar Stellnberger wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 03:11:04PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: > What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core 2 > systems to my

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Elmar Stellnberger
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 03:11:04PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: > > What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core > > 2 > > systems to my knowledge can. > > There's no reason to believe netburst systems

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Elmar Stellnberger
On 14.04.22 10:37, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, 2022-04-12 at 05:59 +0200, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to amd64?  Can this be done with the apt tools?  Then during the migrating some packages will be from amd64 already while others will be

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2022-04-12 at 05:59 +0200, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: > And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to > amd64?  Can this be done with the apt tools?  Then during the > migrating some packages will be from amd64 already while others > will be still i386.  How does that go

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Levis Yarema
What security features do P3/P4/PM systems lack? I only know that the Intel ME was introduced with early Core 2 systems and that is well known to have security issues. Today people spend extra money for a system where you can disable the ME in the UEFI though it is only disabled by a setting then

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core 2 systems to my knowledge can. There's no reason to believe netburst systems are not affected by any of the cpu issues identified in the past few years,

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 07:18:53PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote: If I would get an x64 CPU from a Linux pro, sure I would take it. Otherwise I would not recommend to just take any old hardware for exchange with my working one since not all of it was easily well supported by Linux these days, as far

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Levis Yarema
On 13.04.22 16:44, piorunz wrote: On 12/04/2022 04:59, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to amd64? Can this be done with the apt tools? Then during the migrating some packages will be from amd64 already while others will be still i386. How

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Odo Poppinger
On 13.04.22 19:18, Levis Yarema wrote: If I would get an x64 CPU from a Linux pro, sure I would take it. Otherwise I would not recommend to just take any old hardware for exchange with my working one since not all of it was easily well supported by Linux these days, as far as I can remember.

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Levis Yarema
On 13.04.22 17:11, piorunz wrote: > On 13/04/2022 15:57, Michael Stone wrote: > >> family 15 model 2 is northwood based. no amd64. the best option for that >> one is to find a cheap second hand box with a CPU that's only 10 years >> old instead of (literally) 20 years old and retire it; those old

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 05:32:10PM +0200, Odo Poppinger wrote: I have a beloved P4 Gericom Frontman and I do not want to give it away. and that's fine, but it's increasingly unreasonable to try to run a modern general purpose OS on hardware that's 20 years old. if the driver is nostalgia,

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Odo Poppinger
I have a beloved P4 Gericom Frontman and I do not want to give it away. It had a new game changing design as can today be found with many Apple computers. I also have a P4 notebook and some i386 desktops, some of which I am dual booting with some Windows and OS/2. New computers with a setup

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread piorunz
On 13/04/2022 15:57, Michael Stone wrote: family 15 model 2 is northwood based. no amd64. the best option for that one is to find a cheap second hand box with a CPU that's only 10 years old instead of (literally) 20 years old and retire it; those old p4's were really power hungry, and it

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 03:44:00PM +0100, piorunz wrote: On 12/04/2022 04:59, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: You mean, that it is possible to run amd64 on my old hardware 1# vendor_id   : GenuineIntel cpu family  : 6 model   : 22 model name  : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 

Re: amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-13 Thread piorunz
On 12/04/2022 04:59, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: You mean, that it is possible to run amd64 on my old hardware 1# vendor_id   : GenuineIntel cpu family  : 6 model   : 22 model name  : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  440  @ 2.00GHz stepping    : 1 microcode   : 0x43

amd64 running on Intel Celeron and Pentium? (was: [SECURITY] [DSA 5113-1] firefox-esr security update)

2022-04-11 Thread Friedhelm Waitzmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dear Moritz! Moritz Mühlenhoff: Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote: For the oldstable distribution (buster), these problems have been fixed in version 91.8.0esr-1~deb10u1. Where can I get this from for buster and architecture i386?