Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Rick Macdonald
Ralph Winslow wrote: emacs: M- ; go to beginning of file C-x ( ; start recording kbd macro C-s 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1 M-b M-b M-b ; go back three words M-d M-d M-d ; delete three words 129.168.200

DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Peter Iannarelli
Hello all: As I'm sure everyone is aware a new project has been initiated to replace the currenct dselect package maintainence facility with the goals of enhancing its functionality and resolving some of the existing package maintenance problems. This thread is being issued to provide all

[HELP] root damaged

1997-04-15 Thread Linh Dang
Yesterday, I booted up my buzz (Debian-1.1) box and surprise ! I in root account with right away ! An `ls -l' on the root dir showed my that `/sbin/' is now a huge _FILE_ I can't read floppy, cdroms ... because I can't load modules since insmod and co. are in `/sbin/' !!! :-((( (My

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Richard Kilgore
On Apr 14, Rick Macdonald wrote Ralph Winslow wrote: I beg to differ the emacs case: M- ; go to beginning of file M-%; query-replace 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1 129.168.200 RET; replace with 129.168.200 !

Re: routing setup question

1997-04-15 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote: The new setup should look like: ISP My systems lisa.thenet.ch icemark.thenet.ch firefranc.thenet.ch --- ppp0 --- --- eth0 --- 193.135.252.75 193.135.252.47

Re: [HELP] root damaged

1997-04-15 Thread Pete Templin
On 14 Apr 1997, Linh Dang wrote: Yesterday, I booted up my buzz (Debian-1.1) box and surprise ! I in root account with right away ! An `ls -l' on the root dir showed my that `/sbin/' is now a huge _FILE_ I can't read floppy, cdroms ... because I can't load modules since insmod and

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: I beg to differ the emacs case: M- ; go to beginning of file M-% ; query-replace 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1 129.168.200 RET ; replace with 129.168.200 ! ;

dump or taper for backups?

1997-04-15 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi, I am getting ready to start backing up my production Debian GNU/Linux boxes and I am considering both dump/restore and taper as my backup software. I would like to know which program Debian users recommend me to use. I am a little bit concerned about using dump since I read this in the

Re: bi

1997-04-15 Thread Douglas L Stewart
On 14 Apr 1997, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Well, vi is not the only choice. If they're using X, why don't you tell them to use xedit? It's about as braindead as pico but can do search and replace, so it should be very easy to use. To take this silly editor thread a bit off-topic (and away from

MIT-Scheme 7.4.n

1997-04-15 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
I was thinking about trying to do my first Debian package, of MIT-Scheme. I've found it to be the best scheme interpretter out there for a person who is just beginning to learn the language, since it's the one many of the Scheme textbooks assume you have. And, I like its interface to the

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Rob MacWilliams
Hi all, Since the gentleman requested, and will soon be deluged with mail, I decided to get my two cents in early. 1. Please include a download status indicator. i.e. time remaining. I am using a link that only lasts three hours, and then shuts down. An indication of how much time is

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Adam Shand
2. I know there has been much traffic about the interface, but I think the best I've seen for this type of material is a nested list of packages. Start the top with all packages, then go to stable, contrib, non-free... After that break them down by group, i.e. admin, base, ... The thread that

Re: dump or taper for backups?

1997-04-15 Thread Philippe Troin
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:30:24 EDT Eloy A. Paris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ll.com) wrote: I would like to know which program Debian users recommend me to use. I am a little bit concerned about using dump since I read this in the changelog file in /usr/doc/dump: I remind you that dump and

lprng problem -- solved

1997-04-15 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
I just gave up on apsfilter and used magicfilter instead. Everything worked instantly. I'd submit a bug report for apsfilter but I still don't have the foggiest idea what exactly was wrong. -- Jaldhar

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On 14 Apr 1997, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Craig Sanders writes: vi: Craig 1G # move to start of file Craig /192.168.1 # search for 192.168.1 Craig 5cw192.168.200ESC # change 5 'words' to 192.168.2 Craig n # find next Craig . #

Re: pppd won't reset (or hang up) the modem

1997-04-15 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Lobkovsky wrote: Hi, I don' think this came up before. My ISP changed to a pap style authorization and the only thigs I had to change was to add a 'user guest' line to the /etc/ppp.options_out file and a line '* * password' to the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread jwalther
Hee!!! The odds that Mr Iannarelli is starting this thread just to concentrate the flammage, flak and junk into one thread which he can easilly killfile is astronomical =) This is especially probable given his insistence on exact spelling in the subject... Hahahahahah What a lame thread.

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: Ralph Winslow wrote: emacs: M- ; go to beginning of file C-x ( ; start recording kbd macro C-s 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1 M-b M-b M-b ; go back three words M-d M-d

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Philippe Troin
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote: Well, in vi you can do: 1GGo to the beginning :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/(if I remember it right) Still better... To be a purist, the 1G isn't necessary. But your regexp will also

Ping o' Death is killing pppd on my router.....

1997-04-15 Thread Dave Cinege
That just about somes it up If the router sends, receives or carries a ping flood (ping -f or ping -l 65510) pppd dies. I'm unable to hang-up the modem from anything I do in telnet. (serial ports have no DTR line) After I flash the power on the modem I can telnet in and /etc/init.d/ppp start

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote: Well, in vi you can do: 1G Go to the beginning :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/ (if I remember it right) Still better... To be a purist,

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Apr 14, Philippe Troin wrote : : On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED] : ) wrote: : : Well, in vi you can do: : 1G Go to the beginning : :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/ (if I remember it right) : Still better... : : To be a purist, the

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread George Bonser
Yeah, I can see a Stanford - Berkeley ball game with one side yelling VI and then other side yelling EMACS ... or was it Giants and A's On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Heiko Schlittermann wrote: But this discussion tends to be religious ;-) Heiko -- email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: portmapper problems

1997-04-15 Thread ioannis
Portmapper is usefull (and not essential) only for rpc apps. Ftp and telnet are not rpc programs and do not interact with portmapper. Check your ip connectivety, can you ping the other site? If no, check the network interface and route tables for both machines, then inspect the cable, io

hypermail and majordomo - error

1997-04-15 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey I'm using Debian 1.2, patched up to level 9, together with qmail-1.00, majordomo-1.94.1 (patched for use with qmail) and hypermail-1.02-2. I'm trying to get archives updated on the fly. Right now, I'm updated the hypermail archive every hour from an mbox-textfile. When I have a message sent

Re: modutils and recent kernels

1997-04-15 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Wichert Akkerman wrote: A warning to everyone trying to run new kernels: the current modutils implementation does not work with the latest kernel recent. For the stable kernels everything up to and including 2.0.29 seems to work fine. 2.0.30 however does not work. For the 2.1 series there is

Re: modutils and recent kernels

1997-04-15 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: A warning to everyone trying to run new kernels: the current modutils implementation does not work with the latest kernel recent. For the stable kernels everything up to and including 2.0.29 seems to work fine.

Re: MIT-Scheme 7.4.n

1997-04-15 Thread Boris D. Beletsky
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Karl wrote: Karl I was thinking about trying to do my first Debian package, of Karl MIT-Scheme. I've found it to be the best scheme interpretter Karl out there for a person who is just beginning to learn the Karl language, since it's the one many of the Scheme textbooks

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse. Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to install 25 Linux machines here a while ago and it is a pain

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Philippe Troin
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:00 +0200 Wichert Akkerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse. Here's a simple one: the ability to

Uninstalling StarOffice-3.1

1997-04-15 Thread Paul Serice
Anyone have any tips for uninstalling StarOffice-3.1? I've undone everything I did, but I don't know what the setup program did other than add the ~/StarOffice-3.1 directory. I guess my main worry is what setup did to the fonts. Thanks Paul Serice

Re: less in an xterm

1997-04-15 Thread Carey Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I run less in an xterm, it seems to save the image of whatever is in the window, display whatever it's displaying, and then restore the image. [snip] You just have to use less -X. Or better, put -X in the environment variable called LESS, so that less

Cheap bytes CDROM

1997-04-15 Thread Jim Lynch
I purchased on of the Cheap bytes CDs a few weeks back (Debian 1.2) and want to report on my success using it. My problem: I wanted to make a full blown recovery system by using a EZ 135 removable SCSI HD. Solution: I did an initial install from the CD to the EZ135. I partitioned the drive

DEITY TEAM

1997-04-15 Thread tomk
Wichert Akkerman writes: [snip for brevity] Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to install 25 Linux machines here a while ago and it is a pain to select to same package every time in dpkg. I would like to be table to create a file with a list of packages I want to

Restricting size of incoming mail

1997-04-15 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hello everyone. My company has around 70 e-mail users of which some of them retrieve their e-mail via a dial-up (SLIP or PPP) connection. We are concerned about the size of e-mail messages because users are sending huge attachments in their messages so people dialing in stay connected for long

Re: Ping o' Death is killing pppd on my router.....

1997-04-15 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: That just about somes it up If the router sends, receives or carries a ping flood (ping -f or ping -l 65510) pppd dies. I'm unable to hang-up the modem from anything I do in telnet. (serial ports have no DTR line) After I flash the power on the

Re: hypermail and majordomo - error

1997-04-15 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
On Apr 15, Remco van de Meent wrote I'm using Debian 1.2, patched up to level 9, together with qmail-1.00, majordomo-1.94.1 (patched for use with qmail) and hypermail-1.02-2. Once upon a long ago, the Debian lists' web archive was based on hypermail. Unfortunately, hypermail began to exhibit

How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread Andy Spiegl
Hi! I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working setup. Thanks a lot in advance! Andy.

Re: How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread Martin Schulze
On Apr 15, Andy Spiegl wrote I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working setup. If you have INN up and running, try

User access to /dev/fd0* with mtools_3.5a-1

1997-04-15 Thread Peter Weiss
Hello yesterday the upgrade to version 1.2.9 was done at my home box resulting in user access problems to /dev/fd0 which are 660 as default using mtools. I remember with debian version 1.2.2 I fixed this problem setting the binary of mtools to ownership of root.floppy and

Re: How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread Richard Morin
On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: Hi! I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working setup. Thanks a lot in

Re: pppd won't reset (or hang up) the modem

1997-04-15 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Lobkovsky wrote: Hi, I don' think this came up before. My ISP changed to a pap style authorization and the only thigs I had to change was to add a 'user guest' line to the /etc/ppp.options_out file and a line '* * password'

Dazed beta kernels

1997-04-15 Thread Dark Lord of Sith
I have to run beta kernels to get support for my hardware and they work pretty well. But, everyone I've compiled always complains that CONFIG_MIDI has not been declared or defined ... Does anyone have any idea what I have to do to get it working? The kernels compile and run, of

Re: Restricting size of incoming mail

1997-04-15 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi, At 10:43 AM 4/15/97 -0400, Paul Wade wrote: This is because they are using a remote email client (netscape, etc.)? If so that is a big part of the problem. Right, we use a POP-3 client like Eudora or Netscape Mail to retrieve mail. Is this being caused because of spam and junk email? No,

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Probably I'm going to say the obvious, but... On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rob MacWilliams wrote: 2. I know there has been much traffic about the interface [...] Now all that is needed is a keystroke sequence to open and close the categories. The closest piece of software out now that would be

Re: How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread George Bonser
suck has an rpost function. On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: Hi! I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Brian C. White
The odds that Mr Iannarelli is starting this thread just to concentrate the flammage, flak and junk into one thread which he can easilly killfile is astronomical =) This is especially probable given his insistence on exact spelling in the subject... Excuse me, but this is completely uncalled

Re: How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread Paul Wade
On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: Hi! I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working setup. Thanks a lot in

Re: problem: client/server file sharing

1997-04-15 Thread Graeme Stewart
Michael J Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: something I need to do in the etc/passwd file to get the client to recognize the users and passwords? Make sure you run `make' in /var/yp after you add users to the system. This will update the NIS maps. Also, make sure you have the following line at

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Wichert Akkerman wrote: This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse. Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to install

Re: pppd won't reset (or hang up) the modem

1997-04-15 Thread Alexander Lobkovsky
Yes, ppp.log says terminating on signal ... Perhaps the key piece of evidence is that everything *used* to work fine until I had to switch to pap-style authorization. Turn on debugging (pass 'debug' in options or on command line). Do you see a mesage in /var/log/ppp.log which says

Copy Debian in CD

1997-04-15 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
Is legal if I copy the full DEBIAN distribution in a CD (ftp.debian.org) and I give the CD to my friend? Can I copy the non-free directory too? I leave in Italy Thanks and bye. Andrea Arcangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imola.queen.it/user/arcangeli/ Debian GNU _ _ _ ____

Re: bi

1997-04-15 Thread Alair Pereira do Lago
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a key point to make here is that regexps aren't difficult to learn because of vi, they are difficult to learn because they are complex - but you MUST learn them if you want to have any proficiency with unix. vi actually makes them easier to learn

Re: How do you guys read news offline?

1997-04-15 Thread Paul Serice
I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone could post his/her working setup. I use leafnode in conjunction with diald to allow for unattended

AT cards: which one?

1997-04-15 Thread mfrattola
Hi, I've found a brochure by Allied Telesyn saying that linux supports these netcards: at1500 at2000 (ne2000 clone) at2560 (10/100 Mbit, PCI) I'm surprised, since I've never seen at2560 supported by kernel, and it mentions at1700 as not supported (and I know they are). Did anybody try at2560?

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread jghasler
Adam Shand writes: This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and compilers),... How many newbies are going to want this? ...a network box (basic utilities and networking stuff, including

Which pentium: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?

1997-04-15 Thread Rick Macdonald
I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-) I stopped keeping cuurent with these things. Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200? -- ...RickM...

Re: Which pentium: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?

1997-04-15 Thread ninja
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-) I stopped keeping cuurent with these things. Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200? Pro 200. 200 and 200 MMX will run it the same. MMX has extensions for

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Rick Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Shand writes: This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and compilers),... How many newbies are going to want this? I suggest: 1) Basic Unix, with

Oracle on Linux - Install Scripts

1997-04-15 Thread Roger Simmons
Subject: Oracle on Linux - Install scripts Has anyone been successfull installing Oracle7.3 Workgroup server for UnixWare or Oracle Webserver 2.1 on Linux (RedHat, Debian or Caldera) and care to share your experience/install scripts? I know that it has been done on SCO UNIX and there is a

Re: pppd won't reset (or hang up) the modem

1997-04-15 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Alexander Lobkovsky wrote: Yes, ppp.log says terminating on signal ... Perhaps the key piece of evidence is that everything *used* to work fine until I had to switch to pap-style authorization. Turn on debugging (pass 'debug' in options or on command line). Do you see a mesage in

tcpdump

1997-04-15 Thread Matthew Tebbens
Anyone using tcpdump or an 'ip-watcher' program on a tokenring based network ?? I can't find support for it anywhere... Matthew

Re: Oracle on Linux - Install Scripts

1997-04-15 Thread Eloy A. Paris
I have not know how to do what you ask but you might find useful an article that appeared in the Linux Means Bussiness section of The Linux Journal, issue November 1996. The article is called Running Progress on Linux. They also use the iBCS package. Good luck. E.- Subject: Oracle on Linux -

boot problems

1997-04-15 Thread Paul McDermott
Hi I am having trouble booting my linux box. when i do boot my system is fine until it gets to the partition check. it says that /dev/hda3 has errors in its file system. It puts me into single user mode and tells me to fsck /dev/hda3. When i do that it gives me the following errors: hda: irq

Re: routing setup question

1997-04-15 Thread Benedikt Eric Heinen
My first question would be are these valid IP addresses or did you pick arbitrary addresses for your local systems? As that question was asked by several people, the 192.168.101.x addresses are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and 193.135.252.179 were addresses assigned

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Dima
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Shand writes: This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something like have 3 options. ... ...and a full install ( the two before plus X windows). Thus the the true newbie, who wants most of all to dial up her ISP and use her

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Britton
Wow, you guys sure think fast :) But I know where you are coming from. I am a pretty speedy typist and have often been annoyed by odd keys. Now I am wondering: is there an easy way with emacs or some other editor to assign a short string to a 'wierd key'? I hate parenthesies for example (I

RE: PPP Configuration

1997-04-15 Thread Rick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Look in /etc/ppp dir. And /etc/ppp.chatscript, /etc/ppp.options_out. Then use pon and poff On 13-Apr-97 Geoff R Deasey wrote: Is there a tool to set up ppp links or should I be doing things like #!/bin/sh PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin pppd connect chat -v -f

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread meierrj
Peter, Thank you for request for ideas and desires regarding the next improvement to the debian package management system. 1. Scripts provided by the package writer should only have access to files and directories specifically approved by the installer. 2.

Re: routing setup question

1997-04-15 Thread Rick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 15-Apr-97 Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote: are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and 193.135.252.179 were addresses assigned to me by my ISP. Both are routed from his machine, so if I try a traceroute from icemark to firefrancs new

extracting tar with nonexistant users

1997-04-15 Thread ljk
Hello, I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root. I would have expected that it should have created the files with the same uid/gids as on the original

Bo Package List

1997-04-15 Thread Rick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- A few days ago I posted an example of dselect not clearing the selection list if a dir was replaced with another i.e. rex - bo. The example I used showed that even though I wanted bo I was getting unstable. I did some checking today and found, even though I

Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS

1997-04-15 Thread Amos Shapira
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse. This isn't quite about the interface, but about the package system (may it just depends on the way it is implemented). What I'd like to see is a way for the user to individuallt decide whether he/she wants to install

Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently vi doesn't exist in Debian - vim, nvi, and elvis (maybe others) all like to have a symlink named vi pointing to them. A year ago when I was running

Re: extracting tar with nonexistant users

1997-04-15 Thread Graeme Stewart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root. I would have expected that it should have created the files with the same

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Leslie Mikesell
It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently the people who generated the debian rescue disk don't agree or the recent editor wars wouldn't have happened on this list. Which of the vi

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Martin Schulze
On Apr 15, Leslie Mikesell wrote It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently the people who generated the debian rescue disk don't agree or the recent editor wars wouldn't have happened on this

Re: vi

1997-04-15 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Apr 15, Britton wrote : : Wow, you guys sure think fast :) But I know where you are coming from. I : am a pretty speedy typist and have often been annoyed by odd keys. Now I : am wondering: is there an easy way with emacs or some other editor to : assign a short string to a 'wierd key'? I

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Richard Kilgore
On Apr 15, Robert D. Hilliard wrote It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently vi doesn't exist in Debian - vim, nvi, and elvis (maybe others) all like to have a symlink named vi pointing to

Re: extracting tar with nonexistant users

1997-04-15 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root. I would have expected that it should have created the files with the

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread mike horansky
Robert D. Hilliard wrote: It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. It is generally agreed in the computing mainstream that that kind of assumption will keep unix out of the hands of the common

Re: bi

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On 15 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: I do not know vi well but I do not see how it could be simpler than ctr-alt-s in emacs. There, while you are filling the regular expression you can see the text that the incomplete regular expression is matching. If you put one letter more and the

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: I learned vi under SysVr3 and SysVr4 and didn't see much difference under Slackware/elvis. Vim does have some annoying differences but I can't remember the specifics. Emacs with viper-mode is pretty faithful too. Emacs emulating vi? The only

Re: Will the real vi please stand up?

1997-04-15 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, mike horansky wrote: It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. It is generally agreed in the computing mainstream that that kind of assumption willkeep unix out of the hands of the

Help with using ISP name for email

1997-04-15 Thread Jason Ish
I connect to the internet using my school PPP account which gives me a user name not very close to my real name and chose to use my first name to logon to my personal linux box. I would like to send email but have it come from my school email name and not my localhost name. I have already