Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:22:30 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I ask that because I'd like to see how it scores spam that it thinks > is ham. Once I know that, I know which knobs to tweak. From man mail::spamassassin::conf always_add_headers { 0 | 1 } (default: 1)

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:26:42 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And wasn't there a big, long thread last month where most in the > thread excoriated C-R? Yup. Which goes to show that these people clearly didn't read it, don't care, or are just plain stupid. I vote for all three.

Re: fetchmail and mailfilter

2003-09-23 Thread Jeff Elkins
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 12:58 pm, Wayne Topa wrote: >Jeff Elkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: >> I'm curious as to how to integrate mailfilter into my >> spamassassin/fetchmail scheme. Currently, fetchmail runs every 300 seconds >> and gathers mail from my pop3 accounts. >> >>

Re: logins and logouts hang

2003-09-23 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:05:30AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:42:18 -0400, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:59:36AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > ..Vikki, check the _power_supply_ fan.

Re: Apache dies silently?

2003-09-23 Thread j2
> You're probably using unstable, Hybrid, but yes. >are using PHP4 packages Yes. >and do not > include PHP4 support with apache-ssl. ¨ Actually i do cookiemonster:~# grep php4 /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so cookiemonster:~# grep php4 /etc/apach

Re: fetchmail and mailfilter

2003-09-23 Thread Wayne Topa
Jeff Elkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > I'm curious as to how to integrate mailfilter into my spamassassin/fetchmail > scheme. Currently, fetchmail runs every 300 seconds and gathers mail from my > pop3 accounts. > > Would I set up a cronjob for mailfilter or can fetchmail be

Re: Apache dies silently?

2003-09-23 Thread Rich Puhek
You're probably using unstable, are using PHP4 packages, and do not include PHP4 support with apache-ssl. Your system probably chugged along happily because you haven't done any apt-get update && apt-get upgrade for a while. At least, that's how I got burned. There's some kind of conflict with

Re: xplanet with gnome (root window in general)

2003-09-23 Thread David Fokkema
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:11, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:12:30PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: > | Hi group, > | > | How can I run xplanet with gnome without resorting to generating images > | over and over and using them as backdrop? I simply want to be able to > | see

Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
J Y wrote: Quoting Tom Badran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 16:28, J Y wrote: I re-installed deb3.0 and it looked great only two pkgs broke. BUT I screwed up and selected the wrong mouse type. Now I can login to a great looking desktop but I can't use it! :( There's a dialog box op

Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread J Y
Thanks..yes I know the command to reconfigure the xserver & mouse. I just can't get a terminal window to open. Well I did actually in Gnome but there was a dialogue box in front of the shell and I couldn't see the terminal window. After hobbling about the desktop with an erratic mouse and then just

Apache dies silently?

2003-09-23 Thread j2
I have the following   cookiemonster:~# dpkg -l | grep -ir apacheii  apache 1.3.27.1-3 Versatile, high-performance HTTP serverii  apache-common  1.3.27.1-3 Support files for all Apache webserversii  apache-ssl 1.3.27.1-3 Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with

Re: reuse apt-get cache

2003-09-23 Thread Travis Crump
Benedict Verheyen wrote: Hi, i have a server and it has a quite extensive sources.list. Now i would like to make a cron job that does "apt-get update" every so often and then use that cache for my connected client so i don't have to download the packages list again and thus use unnecessary band

Re: OT: An Open Call to Developers

2003-09-23 Thread Kent West
Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:21, Clive Menzies wrote: On (23/09/03 16:14), Shri Shrikumar wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:42, Clive Menzies wrote: A brief note in support. We have clients running MS Outlook (different versions); it, and the security updates issued fo

Re: OT: An Open Call to Developers

2003-09-23 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 16:21, Clive Menzies wrote: > Thanks Shri No Problem. > Are there tools to interface with the various PDA's Palm and Compaq > spring to mind. I think in terms of operating systems for PDA's there > are: Palm, Symbian and Windows CE? Evolution has a palm interface along wit

Re: OT: An Open Call to Developers

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:21, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (23/09/03 16:14), Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:42, Clive Menzies wrote: > > > A brief note in support. We have clients running MS Outlook (different > > > versions); it, and the security updates issued for it seem to brea

Re: OT: An Open Call to Developers

2003-09-23 Thread Clive Menzies
On (23/09/03 16:14), Shri Shrikumar wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:42, Clive Menzies wrote: > > A brief note in support. We have clients running MS Outlook (different > > versions); it, and the security updates issued for it seem to break > > their systems from time to time. We would love to m

Re: can kernel 2.4.21 from testing source be installed without removing 2.4.18 from woody?

2003-09-23 Thread David Z Maze
"Daniel B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can a kernel-image 2.4.21 package from testing (built from source) be > installed on woody without removing a kernel-image 2.4.18 package from > woody? > > It seems that: > - testing's 2.4.21 kernel package depends on module-init-tools, but So when you

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:32:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Yes, I know. I mean that I don't have anything like that in any > of my mails, neither ham nor spam. (But the spams get quarantined > and I get a SPAM FROM email from amavisd-new, so that doesn't bother > me.) Wait... You're calling

Re: OT: An Open Call to Developers

2003-09-23 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:42, Clive Menzies wrote: > A brief note in support. We have clients running MS Outlook (different > versions); it, and the security updates issued for it seem to break > their systems from time to time. We would love to move them to open > source software but the lack of

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread John Hasler
Wayne writes: > With fetchmail and mailfilter, it is. It is possible with fetchmail alone, though at a small risk of loss of mail. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread Tom Badran
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 16:28, J Y wrote: > I re-installed deb3.0 and it looked great only two pkgs broke. > BUT I screwed up and selected the wrong mouse type. Now I can > login to a great looking desktop but I can't use it! :( > There's a dialog box open at start up ( no big deal) but I can't > al

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:58, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:48:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 06:28, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: > > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=4.0 > > > tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TE

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:24:51AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:44, Richard Humphrey wrote: > > Add this to your local.cf file and each email will contain the results of > > the tests, so you can compare ham vs spam etc. > > > > always_add_report 1 > > Ok, I added th

re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread J Y
I re-installed deb3.0 and it looked great only two pkgs broke. BUT I screwed up and selected the wrong mouse type. Now I can login to a great looking desktop but I can't use it! :( There's a dialog box open at start up ( no big deal) but I can't alt+function key to a terminal/shell. If I could

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:44, Richard Humphrey wrote: > Add this to your local.cf file and each email will contain the results of > the tests, so you can compare ham vs spam etc. > > always_add_report 1 Ok, I added these to /etc/spamassassin/local.cf, and restarted SA, but still don't have

fetchmail and mailfilter

2003-09-23 Thread Jeff Elkins
I'm curious as to how to integrate mailfilter into my spamassassin/fetchmail scheme. Currently, fetchmail runs every 300 seconds and gathers mail from my pop3 accounts. Would I set up a cronjob for mailfilter or can fetchmail be run in tandem with mailfilter? Jeff Elkins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:48:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 06:28, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=4.0 > > tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, > > REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LON

Re: install

2003-09-23 Thread Sidney Brooks
Using VESA and the lowest resolution, 640x400 (I think), I am now able to get into the graphics mode. However, I now have the same problem with woody that caused me to give up on potato. Everything is so big that the system is unusable. You always need something that is off the screen. I am able t

reuse apt-get cache

2003-09-23 Thread Benedict Verheyen
Hi, i have a server and it has a quite extensive sources.list. Now i would like to make a cron job that does "apt-get update" every so often and then use that cache for my connected client so i don't have to download the packages list again and thus use unnecessary bandwidth. Ideally this woul

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 06:28, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 06:10:42AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Ok, clarification: I'm not asking for the score parameters; I'm > > asking for the score of each individual email. > > Isn't it in the headers? My configuration does nothing

Re: named complaining about lame servers when resolving

2003-09-23 Thread Malcolm Ferguson
Jacob Anawalt wrote: Malcolm Ferguson wrote: Hi, I've tried to configure bind on my Woody box as a caching DNS server for a segment of the network. However, after mistyping an IP address that I was trying to resolve elsewhere I'm now getting lots of messages in the log file complaining abou

Video recorder

2003-09-23 Thread Savio Ramos
Hi, How can recorder the screen of Qcad while someone is using it to make video lessons. P.S. I want that the video output can be usefully with a internet browser. []'s -- Savio M. Ramos - Arquiteto Rio de Janeiro ICQ174972645 Debian-br#705 test/unstable -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P

[OT] slashapp & rss

2003-09-23 Thread Dave Howorth
Is there any way to persuade the gnome slash_applet to show headlines from another rss source? Or alternatively, is there another application that provides this functionality? Thanks, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL P

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread John Hasler
Jacob Anawalt writes: > There's a company that provides this service. First time emails to you > get an auto-response "You aren't authorized to send me email, visit this > web page to get authorized" or something like that. I Googled and can't > find it again. Interesting idea. I've received spam

Re: bash

2003-09-23 Thread Lajos Mester
Well, without the .inputrc works fine. I don't really understand why this happens... thanks for your help! Lajos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Richard Humphrey
Add this to your local.cf file and each email will contain the results of the tests, so you can compare ham vs spam etc. always_add_report 1 -- Richard Humphreyhttp://www.rhumphrey.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: Booting minimal debian off of IBM Microdrive

2003-09-23 Thread Andreas Loong
> > Hi, > > Trying to get a minimal install of debian to boot here. > The installation goes fine, partitioning and so on goes fine. > However, trying to boot yields some problems. > > My setup is a ASUS P4P800-VM motherboard, 512MB ram and a CF2IDE adapter. > (CF and IDE is pin compatible, so no

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread Wayne Topa
Ron Johnson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:28, John Hasler wrote: > > Wayne Gemmell writes: > > > I can't see any solution to this. Downloading this amount of mail during > > > the day would cost me a fortune *sniff* > > > > Set up fetchmail or mailfilter t

Re: bash

2003-09-23 Thread Kent West
Lajos Mester wrote: Hi, i'm having problem with the bash. As user I cannot enter the letter 'M', but as root works fine (tcsh as user also works...). Some ideas? Rename the relevant files and log out/in. Did the problem go away? If so, restore the files one at a time and try again until yo

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
> It does, actually. I was thinking of the more detailed report that > comes in the body of spam messages, and which lists each matched > test's score and description. Ah, I see. I used to check each score in /usr/share/spamassassin, but I agree -- piping it through spamassassin -t (as you suggest

bash

2003-09-23 Thread Lajos Mester
Hi, i'm having problem with the bash. As user I cannot enter the letter 'M', but as root works fine (tcsh as user also works...). Some ideas? THX Lajos The system: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release-(i386-pc-linux-gnu) Debian testing/unstable kernel 2.4.20-3-k7 The files: .bashrc: # ~/.b

Re: en_US.UTF-8 compose bug fixed, but whom should i send it to ?

2003-09-23 Thread Robert Vollmert
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:43:36AM -0300, Jan Pfeifer wrote: > So I just patched the file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose > > to include any order (for all key compositions). > > i'd like to send the fix to the proper debian maintainer(s). How do I > find this out ? $ dpkg -S

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Robert Vollmert
> I always pipe it through "spamc", and the report is added to the > headers, even when it's ham. > > Doesn't that work for you, too? It does, actually. I was thinking of the more detailed report that comes in the body of spam messages, and which lists each matched test's score and description.

Re: en_US.UTF-8 compose bug fixed, but whom should i send it to ?

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
> searching a little bit i found out the the "compositions" were defined > but in the "wrong" (i.e. different than what i'm used to) order of key > strokes. So I just patched the file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose > > to include any order (for all key compositions). > > i'd l

en_US.UTF-8 compose bug fixed, but whom should i send it to ?

2003-09-23 Thread Jan Pfeifer
hi all, using LANG=en_US.UTF-8 for unicode characters i wasn't being able to get composed latin characters (accents, umlaut, etc.) using the Multi_key. searching a little bit i found out the the "compositions" were defined but in the "wrong" (i.e. different than what i'm used to) order of key st

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 01:24:52PM +0200, Robert Vollmert wrote: > easiest seems to be to pipe the message to 'spamassassin -t'. > Depending on your mailclient, of course. > I'm sure it's also possible to make spamassassin insert its report > header into every mail it checks. I always pipe it thr

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 06:10:42AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Ok, clarification: I'm not asking for the score parameters; I'm > asking for the score of each individual email. Isn't it in the headers? My configuration does nothing but to put names in whitelists/blacklists, and I always get the sc

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Robert Vollmert
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 06:10:42AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > How can I find out the SA (v2.55) scores of all email? > > Ok, clarification: I'm not asking for the score parameters; I'm > asking for the score of each individual email. easiest seems to be to pipe the message to 'spamassassin

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 05:37, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: > > How can I find out the SA (v2.55) scores of all email? > > I think it's in /usr/share/spamassassin, in the .cf files. > > > I ask that because I'd like to see how it scores spam that it thinks > > is ham. Once I know that, I know which

Re: ipmasq not doing NAT after upgrade

2003-09-23 Thread Mihalis I. Tsoukalos
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:37:29AM +0300, Mihalis I. Tsoukalos wrote: > Dear list, > I have the following problem: > > After upgrading the ipmasq package yesterday, NAT is not working > properly. > > What do I need to do in order to solve it? > I am using Debian woody. > > TIA, > Mihalis More i

Re: install

2003-09-23 Thread Kent West
Sidney Brooks wrote: Here is an update. I wiped out the drive using a program from the manufacturer of my computer available at www.microtelinc.com. I then was able to use my Windows XP disk, which previously simple led to a frozen screen, to reinstall Windows. I then partitioned the disk and inst

Re: SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
> How can I find out the SA (v2.55) scores of all email? I think it's in /usr/share/spamassassin, in the .cf files. > I ask that because I'd like to see how it scores spam that it thinks > is ham. Once I know that, I know which knobs to tweak. Change the scores in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf J.

SpamAssassin and false-negative spam

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
Hi, How can I find out the SA (v2.55) scores of all email? I ask that because I'd like to see how it scores spam that it thinks is ham. Once I know that, I know which knobs to tweak. Thanks -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread tb . nospam
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:53:36AM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:16:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:06:49AM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:45:42 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > if I fork bplay several ti

Re: logins and logouts hang

2003-09-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:42:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:59:36AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..Vikki, check the _power_supply_ fan. (AKA PSU fan) ;-) > > What about it? ..it _does_ run? Dead PSU fans gets

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:16:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:06:49AM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:45:42 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > if I fork bplay several times, it doesn't "mix" the sounds: they > > > still play out synchronous

ipmasq not doing NAT after upgrade

2003-09-23 Thread Mihalis I. Tsoukalos
Dear list, I have the following problem: After upgrading the ipmasq package yesterday, NAT is not working properly. What do I need to do in order to solve it? I am using Debian woody. TIA, Mihalis -- 11:35:52 up 8 days, 15:16, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 02:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 00:22, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:08:42 -0600 > > > "Walt L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is there anyone else out there being mail bombed

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread tb . nospam
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:06:49AM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:45:42 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > if I fork bplay several times, it doesn't "mix" the sounds: they > > still play out synchronously, even though the caller isn't blocked. > > > > Is there a sound ut

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:45:42 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > if I fork bplay several times, it doesn't "mix" the sounds: they > still play out synchronously, even though the caller isn't blocked. > > Is there a sound utility that will play a WAV file in an "overlapped > way" -- so that I can

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread tb . nospam
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:22:28AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > so unless anybody has a better already written sound buffer mixer to > > recommend, consider this matter closed. > > > > Thanks for your attention. > > -T > > > I had a

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread kmark
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 00:22, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:08:42 -0600 > > "Walt L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there anyone else out there being mail bombed with emails > > > that look like there from M$? The rate at whi

Re: Procmailrc to play sound async when message arrives

2003-09-23 Thread Robert Vollmert
> if I fork bplay several times, it doesn't "mix" the sounds: they > still play out synchronously, even though the caller isn't blocked. I've experienced this with OSS emulation on ALSA. Perhaps playing the sound with 'aplay' instead helps? If not, consider configuring the 'dmix' plug-in for ALSA

Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:25, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:46:45 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't this kindred to C-R? > > No. It is C-R. At least the message they were replying to was. And wasn't there a big, long thread last month where most in the thr

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