Del 8 al 14 de juliol se celebra la DebConf12 a Managua
Les xerrades es poden seguir en viu aquí:
http://debconf12.debconf.org/video.xhtml
I la llista de xerrades és:
http://penta.debconf.org/dc12_schedule/index.en.html
Algunes persones d'aquesta llista paren per aquelles terres
Hola,
A què et refereixes per no identifica el teu LG?
La intal·lació comença o ni això? Si la instal·lació no comença, tens
configurada la BIOS per arrencar desde CD?
En alguna ocasió he tingut aquest problema, l'instal.lador s'inicia però en
un punt no reconeix el cd. He tornat a cremar el
Bonjour,
En dernier recours on peut utiliser les dépôts de snapshot :
http://snapshot.debian.org/
pour downgrader et figer le système à la date où tout fonctionnait sans
problème.
Quand testing sera moins fluctuant, tu pourras repasser sur les dépôts
classiques
@+
JC
Le samedi 07 juillet 2012
On 07/07/12 17:03, Philippe Delavalade wrote:
Bonjour tout le monde.
Je suis à la campagne sur un ordi debian/wheezy qui fonctionnait à mon idée
en mars dernier.
J'utilise mutt et procmail.
Dans mes boîtes à lettres, les messages envoyés par l'un des utilisateurs
ne sont pas affichés
Bonjour,
La version ESR de firefox bénéficie d'un cycle de vie spécifique
(http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/), qui à mon
sens, la rend particulièrement attractive pour les entreprises.
J'observe qu'elle a rejoint le dépôt squeeze-backport et semble tenir
la corde pour être
Bonjour,
J'ai une webcam Hercule HD Sunset de Guillemot
lsusb donne :
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 06f8:3017 Guillemot Corp.
Elle fonctionne avec l'outil de test de camera de KDE (systemsettings - multimedia -
phonon - Enregistrement video), avec google talk, l'outil de test de skype.
Cependant,
El Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:14:35 -0300, Francisco Rafael Del Roio escribió:
Hasta acá llegué. La verdad me parece demaciado bueno todo eso del nm.
Es bueno hasta que falla. Es útil hasta que deja funcionar.
Las cosas buenas y útiles deben ser estables y poderse revisar
fácilmente, y en eso me
El Sat, 07 Jul 2012 15:23:38 -0300, Walter O. Dari escribió:
Yo también lo veo como Juan en mi Icedove 10.0.4, está colgado del
hilo deshabilitar la creación de... y no como un nuevo hilo.
Otro al que se le ha debido de colar el correo... creo que estáis
respondiendo al mensaje equivocado y
El Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:49:50 -0300, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:
Bien, problema solucionado. El problema se resuelve con el driver r8101
que se obtiene en la página de realtek, la placa es PCI Express.
(...)
Ah, me alegra que al final te sirviera lo que comentaban en el foro :-)
Saludos,
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El Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:15:25 +0200, SM Baby Siabef escribió:
He reinstalado Debian Wheezy ahora en mi sobremesa, a la versión i386,
para que no me pasen las aventuras extrañas del mundi-mundo del
multiarch
Hola me gustaría saber si existe algún comando para eliminar los
kernel antiguos de un golpe.
Gracias
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El 08/07/12 20:16, Alberto Benítez escribió:
Hola me gustaría saber si existe algún comando para eliminar los
kernel antiguos de un golpe.
Gracias
Con apt-get autoremove ya debería bastar.
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Hola lista. Dispongo de un modem: Intel(R) 537EP PCI el cual quiero poner
a funcionar en mi Linux Mint Debian XFCE (kernel 3.2)
Al no reconocerlo mi sistema, pasé la herramienta scanModem para que haga
un diagnóstico de los drivers que necesito. Debajo muestro un detalle del
diagnóstico:
...
Reenvío a la lista el mensaje que se me fue por error al privado de
camaleón con quien me disculpo por la molestia..
William Alexander Brito Viñas.
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El 08/07/12 20:16, Alberto Benítez escribió:
Hola me gustaría saber si existe algún comando para eliminar los
kernel antiguos de un golpe.
Gracias
A @Alberto Benítez: Hay más de una forma: se puede
Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com writes:
Hola me gustaría saber si existe algún comando para eliminar los
kernel antiguos de un golpe.
¿Tienes instalados unos núcleos simultáneamente y quieres desinstalarlos
con un solo comando? No sé por qué necesitas hacer esto precisamente de
esta
On 08/07/12 16:55, acade...@pinarte.cult.cu wrote:
Hola lista. Dispongo de un modem: Intel(R) 537EP PCI el cual quiero poner
a funcionar en mi Linux Mint Debian XFCE (kernel 3.2)
Al no reconocerlo mi sistema, pasé la herramienta scanModem para que haga
un diagnóstico de los drivers que
Seja bem vindo meu nobre
Em 5 de julho de 2012 11:17, Gustavo Almeida Ramos
gustavoramo...@hotmail.com escreveu:
OLa meu nome é Gustavo. Estou apreendendo a mexer no linux e gostaria de
entrar para esse grupo. subscribe.
Deste de já obrigado
On 08/07/12 04:13, cletusjenkins wrote:
I know I go against most people when I say that now I've gotten used to
Gnome3 I really like it and would not want to go back. It may be that I
run a two screen set-up, but for me the really nice features are
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Hey guys,
After many years, I finally returned to Debian. Now I'm using Debian Wheeze
on my Thinkpad W510 for around 1 week now. The system is updated and it is
being shown as a very stable platform, even though this branch is called
Testing. I have being checking the logs, looking for errors and
Hi,
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:04:33 -0400 Celejar cele...@gmail.com napísal:
I use POP3, smtp *and* SSL. They are not mutually exclusive!!
Of course not - SSL just encapsulates the POP3 and SMTP protocols.
on this point i have one question. What about standards in SMTP
SSL? By mi search,
I tend to read this mailing list, and many others, in gmame but i've
just accidentally deleted the newsgroup from my list of groups! Does
anyone know the name of the group in gmame please as I cant find it
under 'debian'.
Thanks
Sharon.
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For posterity's sake its gmane-linux-debian-user
Sharon.
On 08/07/2012, Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to read this mailing list, and many others, in gmame but i've
just accidentally deleted the newsgroup from my list of groups! Does
anyone know the name of the group in gmame
On 2012-07-08, Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote:
For posterity's sake its gmane-linux-debian-user
For my dotty, non-hyphenated posterity it would be :
gmane.linux.debian.user
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:41:00 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
On 08/07/2012, Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to read this mailing list, and many others, in gmame but i've
just accidentally deleted the newsgroup from my list of groups! Does
anyone know the name of the group in gmame
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 03:14:34 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
Hey guys,
Hello. Please, avoid using html posts, they are badly read from some
clients.
After many years, I finally returned to Debian. Now I'm using Debian
Wheeze on my Thinkpad W510 for around 1 week now. The system is updated
and it
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:49:10 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:44:53 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe.
There's no need to be subscribed to post to this mailing list, I
neither am.
IMO, this is notice about CC, because he
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:55:15 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:04:33 -0400 Celejar cele...@gmail.com napísal:
I use POP3, smtp *and* SSL. They are not mutually exclusive!!
Of course not - SSL just encapsulates the POP3 and SMTP protocols.
on this point i have one question.
fstab works. However, if it gets unworldly with device records, you can
also figure out a udev script that makes the appropriate mount point and
mounts when a device is inserted and removes it when the device is removed.
On Jul 6, 2012 8:25 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
On
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:16:46 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
(...)
If the file is not present the errors look right but I wonder what
windbind implementation are you running :-?, maybe dpkg -l | grep -i
winbind can shed
On 07/07/12 11:01 PM, cletusjenkins wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:57:52 -0700 Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote
Windows needs restore points because you can't easily separate
out user settings from system settings and trying to restore a corrupted
El 2012-07-07 a las 19:34 -0700, cletusjenkins escribió:
(resending to the list)
In any case, it should be mounted under /media using the label, so if
it fails there has to be a reason for it (e.g., naming collisions?).
Attach the USB disk an run dmesg | tail -20 and dmesg |
I'm not having this problem on all machines. I can connect to every
workstation in a remote office using:
ssh -L 5902:remote workstation's local IP:5900 remote router's
public IP
then in another terminal:
xtightvncviewer -encodings tight localhost:5902
However, there is one workstation
El 2012-07-07 a las 19:54 -0700, cletusjenkins escribió:
(resending to the list)
(www.higiene.edu.uy).
I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be
a great step forward.
Uh? You man something like the Windows restore points? I've seen nothing
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:59:50 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
By mi search, the standard is SMTP + STARTTLS and not SSL + SMTP.
There are different implementations, all of them standarized:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp. 587/tcp is message submission which does
not provide encryption on the transport layer.
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Hi,
I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
firmware would I use?
Hugo
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:36:20 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:59:50 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
By mi search, the standard is SMTP + STARTTLS and not SSL + SMTP.
There are different implementations, all of them standarized:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:41:43 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp. 587/tcp is message submission which does
not provide encryption on the transport layer.
They are
On 08/07/12 17:14, Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:41:43 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp. 587/tcp is message submission which does
not provide encryption on
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:02:11 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
can you please tell me the RFC about SMTPS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTPS
I never know, that internet standards are controlled by wikipedia. It is
great, now anybody can create the own standard and
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:22:35 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:02:11 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
can you please tell me the RFC about SMTPS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTPS
I never know, that internet standards are controlled by wikipedia. It is
Hi,
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:33:17 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Wikipedia explains (and you asked why) about the smtps standard
Reread my initial mail, please. I don't ask why in it, but my english is
poor, then perhaps i wrote it in wrong manner.
is not detailed in
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:54:51 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
firmware would I use?
Firmware? I think no firmware is needed for this :-?
The transfer options
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:56:21 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:33:17 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
What Wikipedia explains (and you asked why) about the smtps
standard
Reread my initial mail, please. I don't ask why in it, but my english
is poor, then
Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:54:51 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
firmware would I use?
Firmware? I think no firmware is needed for this :-?
The
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp. 587/tcp is message submission which does
not provide encryption on the transport layer.
Yeah, and 465/tcp use for
Le Sun 8/07/2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh disait
The same reasoning works for imap and imaps. Fortunately, nobody gave
up on the 993/tcp imaps port, so it remains assigned to imaps by IANA.
pop3s never had any starttls alternative, and 995/tcp remains assigned
to pop3s.
STLS extension
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote:
SMTPS (and SMTP over SSL/TLS) is standarized as always has been, what
Actually, at least on port 465, it is deprecated with prejudice as it has
been assigned to something else.
happens is that it was updated to use starttls extension and the older
RFC
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:25:35 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:54:51 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
firmware would I use?
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:36:32 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012, Camaleón wrote:
SMTPS (and SMTP over SSL/TLS) is standarized as always has been, what
Actually, at least on port 465, it is deprecated with prejudice as it
has been assigned to something else.
Yes,
08.07.2012 17:14, Camaleón:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:41:43 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp. 587/tcp is message submission which does
not provide encryption on the
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 18:51:59 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 17:14, Camaleón:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:41:43 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use
of
smtps was defined as 465/tcp.
Hi.
I want to use my vpn for outgoing port 80 connections in my Debian router.
My current route table:
# ip route
default dev ppp0 scope link
95.9.x.x dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 95.9.x.x
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.1
08.07.2012 19:10, Camaleón:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 18:51:59 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 17:14, Camaleón:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:41:43 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
08.07.2012 13:59, Camaleón:
While imaps (tcp/993), pop3s (tcp/995) and smtps (tcp/587) make use
of
smtps
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:10:27 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
napísal:
The why is not in your first message but in your second post:
if smtps is standardized, then why i see this:
Oh, yes. My misunderstand, i am sorry.
is not detailed in the RFC (because RFCs are not the
Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:25:35 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:54:51 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
firmware would
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 06:48:44PM BST, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
Yeah.
Your statement that 587/tcp was smtps is simply wrong. I just corrected
your wrong statement - nothing more. Why you feel the need to go to a
great length to convince someone (whoever that might be) that your wrong
John W. Foster wrote:
Not sure what the issue is, but, I recently installed debian stable
chromium and set it as the default browser.
This is one of areas where I completely disagree with the Debian
methodology. Debian shipped Chromium and Firefox/Iceweasel in their
stable release. That was
Onur Aslan wrote:
Btw I tried to send this to debian-firewall but I got quota exceed error.
Your message was successfully posted to the maliing list just fine.
There is even a follow-up message posted there.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2012/07/msg0.html
That quota exceeded
On Friday, July 6, 2012 5:00:01 AM UTC-4, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Ma, 03 iul 12, 14:25:21, ss11223 wrote:
Ah, today /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start no longer complains of no sound
card, but
the sound still only comes out of the motherboard speaker.
Play with your mixer settings while
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
You'll be forced to upgrade to GNOME3.
Yes, and and that forced upgrade comes from more than just Debian.
I see no gnome2/gnome3 packaging differentiation as it happened with kde3/
kde4 in its early stage, most sure because
Hello
I have problem with MySQL and control access by TCP wrapper in Debian
Squeeze.
MySQL is compiled correctly with libwrap library:
ldd /usr/sbin/mysqld | grep libwrap
libwrap.so.0 = /lib/libwrap.so.0 (0x7f145d28d000)
When I set hosts.deny ALL: ALL and hosts.allow is empty.
I can allow
I'm getting a dialogue box message:
Unable to connect to libvirt.
You need to install openssh-askpass or similar to connect to this host.
However, my ssh connection doesn't use a password.
My workstation is running Debian/Wheezy and virt-manager can connect to
VMs on it. Virt-manager also
Leonid Korostyshevski korostyshevski.deb at gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Bob spam at homeurl.co.uk wrote:
On 02/01/2012 03:48 PM, Leonid Korostyshevski wrote:
Hello, list!
Have installed Wheezy weekly build 30-01-2012 but cannot log into a
fresh system: there is just
Hey,
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote:
Any ideas?
This looks similar to bug #590649 [1]. Have you tried to install ssh-askpass?
[1] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590649
[]s,
Davi Vercillo C. Garcia
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 7/4/2012 4:15 PM, Nick Lidakis wrote:
Stan, you gave me rant because you assumed my computer case has lots of blue
LEDs. You can try again or just don't bother.
I gave you all of the information you need. Do you feel you
On 08/07/12 09:01 PM, Davi Garcia wrote:
Hey,
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote:
Any ideas?
This looks similar to bug #590649 [1]. Have you tried to install ssh-askpass?
[1] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590649
[]s,
When I run it with
Hey,
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote:
Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running on the remote host.
Did you check if the 'libvirtd' daemon was running properly? You can
use command ps aux | grep libvirt | grep -v grep. Also, there is
another bug with
On 03/07/12 07:49 AM, Nick Lidakis wrote:
I've decided to replace the failing hard disk on my Debian Thinpad with an
SSD. As I use the laptop in a harsh mobile environment, I decided to get and
SSD. This one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167122
Then, I decided to
On 08/07/12 11:36 PM, Davi Garcia wrote:
Hey,
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote:
Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running on the remote host.
Did you check if the 'libvirtd' daemon was running properly? You can
use command ps aux | grep libvirt | grep -v
On 7/8/2012 9:32 PM, Nick Lidakis wrote:
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 7/4/2012 4:15 PM, Nick Lidakis wrote:
Stan, you gave me rant because you assumed my computer case has lots of blue
LEDs. You can try again or just don't bother.
I gave you all of the
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
EXT3 should be fine. Use data=journal if you want maximum filesystem
I'd recommend staying away from ext3 in data=journal mode, unless you hear
the opposite from Ted T'so.
AFAIK, nobody upstream pays much (any?) attention to ext3 data=journal,
you'll
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote:
By the way, it is not necessary to copy me on responses. I read the mailing
list and have for (argh!) two decades.
I am guessing this is default setting in this mailing list.
The original sender is auto filled when I click
Hallo,
Ik heb voor iemand een Debian stable laptop met Gnome samengesteld die
default een 3G verbinding gebruikt. De verbinding heb ik in
network-manager zo ingesteld dat hij automatisch zou moeten starten. Dat
gaat soms wel en soms niet goed.
Als het goed gaat dan heb ik na inloggen een
Tot zover onderzocht:
- Garmin: geen Linux-support
Dit is niet helemaal waar. Mijn Garmin GPS (Oregon) kan ik prima
benaderen onder Linux, het ziet het gewoon als usb bestandssysteem.
(Openstreetmap) kaarten kan ik er (na conversie naar het Garmin formaat)
gewoon naar toe kopiëren. Betaalde
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 04:06:46PM +0200, Arjen Bax wrote:
Hallo,
Ik had een Garmin gps navigatiesysteem voor in de auto aangeschaft,
maar ik heb het weer teruggestuurd, want ik kon het apparaat op de
website van Garmin niet eens registreren omdat ik een Linux-computer
heb. Ook downloaden
On 07/08/2012 09:51 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
Arjen Bax schrijft:
Weet iemand of er ook navigatiesystemen zijn waar je geen Windows-pc
voor nodig hebt?
Voor Windowsprogramma's waarmee het met Wine ook niet lukt, is
eigenlijk de meest voor de hand liggende oplossing: je haalt een
kopietje
Op 08-07-12 22:45, Paul van der Vlis schreef:
Op 08-07-12 16:06, Arjen Bax schreef:
Hallo,
Ik had een Garmin gps navigatiesysteem voor in de auto aangeschaft,
maar ik heb het weer teruggestuurd, want ik kon het apparaat op de
website van Garmin niet eens registreren omdat ik een
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