Re: a very carefully asked question?

2013-02-26 Thread Soare Catalin
On Feb 27, 2013 6:39 AM, "Joao Luis Meloni Assirati" < assir...@nonada.if.usp.br> wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > I have been considering all day how I will ask this. > > it is very very important that I get the answer I seek, and with so many > > variations, things can shift off the mark if not caref

Flash and Firefox on Squeeze

2013-02-26 Thread Marc Shapiro
I am running Squeeze on an AMD64 system. I use actual Mozilla Firefox (18.0.2), NOT Iceweasel. There are NO plugins or extensions showing in the Firefox Add-ons Manager. I want to install flash since it is required for some sites that I am interested in. I went to install flashplugin-nonfree,

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Joe Zien
Joe Zien wrote: Hélder Pinheiro wrote: Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run well, and I feed the need to restore a yesterday's image. Is

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Joe Zien
Hélder Pinheiro wrote: Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run well, and I feed the need to restore a yesterday's image. Is it possible?

Re: a very carefully asked question?

2013-02-26 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
> Hi folks, > I have been considering all day how I will ask this. > it is very very important that I get the answer I seek, and with so many > variations, things can shift off the mark if not careful. > going to keep it simple only adding extra detail if necessary. > If one already has an insta

a very carefully asked question?

2013-02-26 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi folks, I have been considering all day how I will ask this. it is very very important that I get the answer I seek, and with so many variations, things can shift off the mark if not careful. going to keep it simple only adding extra detail if necessary. If one already has an install of deb

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
Completely incorrect vector for success, IMHO. Give them a preinstalled system to use that uses nearly the same UI that they're used to. Don't advocate it all (most people today don't like being sold to) and just answer questions as they arise and support them as needed without pressure. - Nate

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
(I deleted the OP so replying here) * On 2013 26 Feb 16:26 -0600, Soare Catalin wrote: > So, believe me when I say NO! For the sake of technology's future, I hope > you at least try to take some time to discover something that you will be > able to tame and control. Be it Debian, Ubuntu (if you d

Another pointless flame (Was: Re: I wish to advocate linux)

2013-02-26 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:21:41 + Joe wrote: > > Large-scale use by people with no idea of even rudimentary > security is what makes malware viable, and good hardware > support will greatly increase the user base. We do worry > about Ubuntu. Brilliant point, indeed.. However... might I propos

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:19:17PM -0500, frank ernest wrote: > I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were > (theoretically speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say "Why not try linux?" > she would respond "Which distro should I try for there are many?" "What are > the dif

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Shane Johnson
There is also another perspective here, Google and Mozilla are providing a option for those that don't want to bother with loading, installing, and maintaining an OS. Chromebooks and the like might make all OS's for the enthusiast. Shane On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > On

evolution: squeeze -> wheezy

2013-02-26 Thread Carlos Pasqualini
Hi people! i'm having trouble updating my system to wheezy. I'm testing on VMs with disposable emails, but not having good results: The steps i'm using are: 1) on a VM, fresh install of squeeze; /home on another disk 2) setup a pop3 account on evolution, preserving mails on server 3) download s

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:50:18PM +, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > > > > An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand > > this. > > True. And most people understand it so well that they will not even > attempt to install an OS - they get the computers with the OS

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote: Linux is where it is without mainstream or mass interest. Enough people want it, and use it, to maintain its viability. It *is* a success. No, it isn't. Says you. There's a pretty big user base, as well as a whole slew of vendors, who'd

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Joe
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:57:22 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500 > > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > >> On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>> Mark Filipak wrote: > -snip- > Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Rob Owens
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 06:35:05PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: > > I'm an electronics engineer technoweenie with over 3 decades of experience > with such a wide range of mainframes/minicomputers/microcomputers it would > make your head spin. If ever there was a customer for Linux, I would be it.

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: -snip- Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the problem. Ummm... what exactly is the problem of which you speak? Tha

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi No need to CC me, I'm on the list -- otherwise I wouldn't have seen your email in the first place On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 21:35 +, Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > -snip- > > Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the >

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweeni

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Joe
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>> Mark Filipak wrote: > > For everyone who doesn't have their own development department > to adapt Linu

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't chang

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Joe
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:50:12 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> > >> For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to > >> adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for > >> technoweenies. That h

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Soare Catalin
On Feb 26, 2013 7:16 PM, "T Elcor" wrote: > > > From: Mark Filipak > > >> P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks. > > > > Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted folks to top > > post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts require scrolling to see > > that latest

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or th

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that? Toy OS for technow

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: -snip- Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the engine manufacturer in their motor vehicle -snip- Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I'm interested in Linux. It's not Microsoft or Google. It's open source. But I don't run Linux.

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Alois Mahdal wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:17 -0500 "frank ernest" wrote: I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. There is one big problem with advocating Linux. That there are people here that "advocate" Linux by pushing users but that can do much more harm than good. I u

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:17 -0500 "frank ernest" wrote: > I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. There is one big problem with advocating Linux. That there are people here that "advocate" Linux by pushing users but that can do much more harm than good. I understand that often

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 20:19 +, frank ernest wrote: > I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were > (theoretically speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say "Why not try > linux?" she would respond "Which distro should I try for there are > many?" Sure? I'd thought th

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Harvey Kelly
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:19:17PM -0500, frank ernest wrote: > I have decided to use the various distros and seek out differences > but this is an imperfect way of going about this so I am additionaly > asking you. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/best-distro-2012.html http://www.techsupport

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Lanitz
Am 26.02.2013 21:19, schrieb frank ernest: > I have decided to use the various distros and seek out differences but > this is an imperfect way of going about this so I am additionaly asking you. The right answer: It just doesn't matter. But for the beginning use this, what your [friend|neighbors|f

I wish to advocate linux

2013-02-26 Thread frank ernest
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were (theoretically speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say "Why not try linux?" she would respond "Which distro should I try for there are many?" "What are the differences?" and I would respon that "They have different package types

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati < >> assir...@nonada.if.usp.br> wrote: >> >>> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian >>> >> installation? >>> >> Something that I

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati < > assir...@nonada.if.usp.br> wrote: > >> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian >> >> installation? >> >> Something that I can rest

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hélder Pinheiro wrote: Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run well, and I feed the need to restore a yesterday's image. Is it possible?

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Shane Johnson
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati < assir...@nonada.if.usp.br> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian > >> installation? > >> Something that I can restore throug

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: >> Hi, >> Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian >> installation? >> Something that I can restore through CLI >> I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run >> well, and I feed the

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Go Linux
--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: From: Hélder Pinheiro Subject: Snapshot Program To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 10:21 AM Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am a

Re: openjdk version in testing is too old.

2013-02-26 Thread Roman V.Leon.
On 26.02.2013 21:09, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On 02/23/2013 02:06 AM, Roman V.Leon. wrote: Hi mates. Please advise, why openjdk-7 version is too old in testing? Debian testing repo: 7u3-2.1.3-1 0 Debian experimental repo: 7u15-2.3.7-1 0 Considering the fact that there were a few major vulnerabil

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread T Elcor
> From: Mark Filipak >> P.S. Please don't top post.  Thanks. > > Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted folks to top > post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts require scrolling to > see > that latest reply. Oh well. No, bottom posting does not necess

Re: openjdk version in testing is too old.

2013-02-26 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On 02/23/2013 02:06 AM, Roman V.Leon. wrote: Hi mates. Please advise, why openjdk-7 version is too old in testing? Debian testing repo: 7u3-2.1.3-1 0 Debian experimental repo: 7u15-2.3.7-1 0 Considering the fact that there were a few major vulnerabilities in JRE recently, I don't see other ways

Re: Gnome classic theme for 7?

2013-02-26 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On 02/23/2013 02:40 AM, Harvey Kelly wrote: I have similar situation at home, and my partner uses Gnome Classic on Wheezy here. It is very much like Gnome 2 (without all the customisation options). You just need to select 'Gnome Classic' from the GDM menu the first time she logs in. Yes, the 'Gn

Re: Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Veljko
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:21:47PM +, Hélder Pinheiro wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? > Something that I can restore through CLI > I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run > well, and I feed the need to

Snapshot Program

2013-02-26 Thread Hélder Pinheiro
Hi, Is there any program to do a kind of snapshots of my debian installation? Something that I can restore through CLI I am always playing around with my distro and sometimes things do not run well, and I feed the need to restore a yesterday's image. Is it possible? Regards, Hélder Pinheiro

Re: Cost of packages in disk space?

2013-02-26 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:47:22AM -0600, green wrote: > So, imagine that I have a full filesystem and want to fix it by > removing a single package. I would need to get a list of manually > installed packages, and go through each one of them individually, > proposing a removal and saving aptitude

Re: How can I know which deb-multimedia packages I have installed?

2013-02-26 Thread Tixy
On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 07:16 +0100, Johan Grönqvist wrote: > 2013-02-25 21:03, Slavko skrev: > > Dňa 25.02.2013 20:33:04 Tixy napísal(a): > > > >> On Sun, 2013-02-24 at 21:51 +0100, Slavko wrote: > >>> Dňa 24.02.2013 21:20:35 Csanyi Pal napísal(a): > >>> > So how can I know now which debian p

Re: Wake on lan with RTL8111/8168B

2013-02-26 Thread Johan Lindahl
Did you ever get this to work? I have the same problem. It seems like every second time I start my computer with WOL it reboots when a issue a poweroff. -- View this message in context: http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Wake-on-lan-with-RTL8111-8168B-tp2867498p2878147.html Sent from the Debian User

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 2/26/2013 3:17 AM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/25 8:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks. Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted folks to top post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts require scrolling to see that latest r

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Re: Cost of packages in disk space?

2013-02-26 Thread Claudius Hubig
Dear Jon, Jon Dowland wrote: > For simple per-package results, "dpigs" from debian-goodies gives you what you > want (and is little more than a one-liner similar to what was posted by > another > to this thread, internally.) Am I doing something wrong or does this not take into account dependenc

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Joe
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:35:05 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: > that, and the > knowledge that, because it's free, people who could help, won't (or > bail out at the first sign of trouble)... and because it's free, > complaints and/or suggestions seem like bitching and no one likes to > listen to someon

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mar 26 février 2013 0:35, Mark Filipak a écrit : > Are you a fan of Shakespeare tragedies? I think Linux is a good subject. > It's so hard to comment constructively without seeming to bitch. It's a > tragedy. I would more say that everything humankind do is a good subject ;) > I'm an electroni

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Mark Filipak wrote: > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks. > > Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted > folks to top post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts > require scrolling to see that latest reply. Oh well. Not top-posting does

Re: Running pae kernel on non-pae system

2013-02-26 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 22:26 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 2/24/2013 7:41 AM, Tixy wrote: > > > Actually, I just double checked, and my CPU [1] does have PAE after all. > > PAE is in every AMD/Intel chip manufactured post 1998. You'd have to be > using a Pentium MMX, AMD K6-2, or older chip, t

Re: How can I know which deb-multimedia packages I have installed?

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Csanyi Pal wrote: > I have installed vuze on my Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy) system. > > My sources.list is: > > deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free That looks like Sid, not Wheezy. Unless you take specia

Re: Thinking about using Debian

2013-02-26 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/2/25 8:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks. Funny... I belonged to many lists 15 or 20 years ago. All wanted folks to top post and bitched about bottom-posts. Why? Bottom posts require scrolling to see that latest reply. Oh well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: LXC status on Wheezy

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Jeremy MAURO wrote: > I am trying to setup a LXC on wheezy, and I having a really hard > time to make them work. Apprently there is a problem with > 'live-debconfig' not present in wheezy, I even tryed with the sid > which is supposed to have 'live-debconfig': This problem was recently discussed i