Re: Grup de treball sobre tecnologia a la trobada de la Unitat Popular

2014-05-10 Thread Etemenanki
Enric wrote: Salut, és el primer cop que escric a aquesta llista, però ja fa temps que us llegeixo. Aprofito per saludar, que per aquí hi ha molta gent coneguda. ;-) Igualment company, pero tú menys el Top-Posting no has fet la cagada que yo vaig fer fa uns días. Me he estrenat molt

Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner

2014-05-10 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 10:28:29 Yannick VOYEAUD wrote: Je cherche vainement à faire fonctionner mon scanner Epson 1670 Perfection/Photo depuis que je suis passé en 64 bits. Bon, je vais faire grincer quelques dents. J'ai eu le même genre de soucis pour faire fonctionner un scanner de diapos

Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner

2014-05-10 Thread maderios
On 05/10/2014 11:25 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: J'aurais préféré utiliser de l'open source, mais là, ce n'est pas possible. Bonjour Quel est ton modèle de scanner de diapo nikon? Concernant le scanner Epson 1670, c'est un problème de compétence utilisateur et non de matériel ou de système.

Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Francois Lafont
Le 09/05/2014 20:07, Jean Baptiste FAVRE a écrit : J'avoue que moi aussi, ça me laisse perplexe. D'autant que je ne vois pas comment la passerelle A.B.C.D peut être atteinte depuis le 'réseau' A.B.C.D/32 (avec D différent de 1, sinon ce n'est pas du jeu). C'est juste un lien point à

Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Bzzz a écrit : On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:24:40 +0200 Francois Lafont mathsatta...@free.fr wrote: C'est une drôle de config, je n'avais jamais vu encore. Je pensais que la passerelle par défaut se trouvait toujours dans le même réseau IP que celui de l'interface eth0 (je suppose qu'il n'y a

Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread andre_debian
Bonsoir à tous, Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Merci d'avance. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question :

Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread Bzzz
On Sat, 10 May 2014 22:02:27 +0200 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Demande rejetée,

Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread maderios
On 05/10/2014 10:02 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Bonsoir à tous, Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Merci d'avance. André

Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread StéphaneRIGOULOT
Bonsoir, LibreCAD voir plus d'info ici http://korben.info/librecad-autocad-gratuit.html compatible Window$ Mac et bien sur Linux Le 10.05.2014 22:12, Bzzz a écrit : On Sat, 10 May 2014 22:02:27 +0200 andre_deb...@numericable.fr [1]wrote: Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad

Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Gaël
Je n'ai jamais appliqué ça, mais je l'ai vu chez un hébergeur du côté de Rennes. :) Ça doit être le même, alors :) Du coup le host est obligé de causer à la gateway, y compris pour joindre son voisin de rack. Ça peut présenter un intérêt en terme de sécurité car tout le trafic transite

Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour, en version 3d il existe freecad qui est au stade alpha et autrement il est possible d'acheter Varicad qui fonctionne avec linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VariCAD slt bernard --- *Encore L'Actualité* O Technique ! tu les frappes, art du

Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Eduardo A . Bustamante López
On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or

apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando

OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Ricardo Eureka!
Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a cuando la etiqueta decia IBM. Uso IBMs y posterioremente Lenovos desde 2000 y siempre pero siempres son un fierro muy por encima de cualquiera de sus competidoras HP o Dell, por ejemplo. El 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:15, Edward Villarroel

Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:40:14 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: El 09/05/14 15:11, Camaleón escribió: (...) Mi pregunta en concreto es, el operador (o como sea que se llame dentro de la jerga de rsyslog) ?, corresponde al formato viejo, nuevo o a ambos? Perdón si por tanta pavada generé tanto

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!! Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya j...@rodypo.es escribió: El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenos

Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:17:04 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: (...) Ja, miren esto (si tienen un tiempito): http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/actions.html Lo que yo estoy haciendo (el uso de ? para generar archivos dinámicamente) está dentro de la sección Legacy, pero no

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 15:53, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!! Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya j...@rodypo.es escribió: El 10

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo: ~$ locale -a locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory C C.UTF-8 POSIX Luego

Re: porque squid me permite descargar correo externo, siendo que no soporta SMPT/POP3

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 20:25:34 -0300, Flako escribió: Hola Estoy usando Debian 5.0 como proxy con: squid-common 2.7.STABLE3-4.1 // squidguard 1.2.0-8.4 // shorewall 4.0.15-1 Por alguna razón que no comprendo cuando configuro un cliente de correo con el proxy 'proxy_ip:3128' funciona el

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e reinstalarlo Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:23, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es escribió: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 23:52:59 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:26:47 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 16:19, Carlos Carcamo eazyd...@gmail.com escribió: No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo: ~$ locale -a locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Etemenanki
Santiago Vila wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread carlopmart
On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la

Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 09:55:19AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e reinstalarlo ¿Lo preguntas? (Por favor usa ¿ y ?, que esto no es un SMS). Si no quieres

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:19:02AM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = es_SV:es, Busca en qué sitio has puesto es_SV:es y quítalo. Si usas es_SV.UTF-8 y no

Re: Problemas imprimir impresora red en Debian

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 18:29:59 +0200, José Antonio Podadera Moya escribió: El 9 de mayo de 2014, 16:25, Camaleón noela...@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/? view=cmfs=1tf=1to=noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 09 May 2014 10:37:05 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: (...) Pues no

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 15:59:29 +, carlopmart escribió: On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: (...) ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje 6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como dicen arriba se les nota lo chino... no como antes que eran unos verdaderos tanques de

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y disculpa que mande otro correo pero en 3 años ya le e tenido que cambiar el fan cooler por que estaba sonando horrible Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:03, Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió: Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread carlopmart
On 05/10/2014 05:15 PM, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje 6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como dicen arriba se les nota lo

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
no digo eso si pero nunca cuando usas un computador no notas que se comporta de forma rara. que eres capas de darte cuenta que algo no anda bien como solo abrir un programa! o mover el raton... y si mi lenovo es ultra silenciosa jamas de los jamas se queda pegada(ni con windows)cuando lo use pero

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y cuando digo chino es a (baja calidad) Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Felix Perez
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Francisco javier
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 13:45, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Francisco javier
2014-05-10 18:38 GMT-04:00 Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com: se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE si, mi novia tiene un lenovo thinkpad, y en la calidad de las piezas son casi igual de resistentes, y en el rendimiento, el dell

Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Ramses
Buenas, El 11/05/2014, a las 00:38, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE Por lo que veo, muchas quejas sobre el HTML, el TOP Posting,... Pero, ¿no se queja nadie de la redacción de

Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
creo mi problema fue que instale unos paquetes de la rama jessie en wheezy, por ejemplo cuando hago: $sudo apt-get install -f locales me aparece algo como: The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2-mpm-prefork : Depends: apache2.2-bin (= 2.2.22-13+deb7u1) but it is not going to be

Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Per Andersson
2014-05-09 12:15 GMT+02:00 Staffan Melin (Oscillator) staffan.me...@oscillator.se: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet

Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400, Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av

Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Anders Jackson
Hej! Den 10 maj 2014 21:59 skrev Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se: On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400, Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar

Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Amigo hein... :) Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:41, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Cola isto em seu terminal :(){ :|: };: máquina vai morrer, Você pode limitar Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc)

Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Pois é, ainda bem que pedi para estressar o computador, se tivesse pedido para estressar meu gerente ele tinha enviando um 'rm -fR /' :) Em 9 de maio de 2014 16:06, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: Tipo manda um forkbomb qnd o cara quer fazer teste é sacanagem...rs Em 09/05/14, Sinval

Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Tem outra distro bastante sugestiva de nome streesslinux. O problema é que larga na linha de comando e voce decide o que fazer como se eu soubesse os programas que há. Eu queria deixar a maquina ligada 1 ou 2 dias para ter certeza de que ela não travaria. Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:36, Geowany

Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Vou experimenta-lo depois posto o resultado. Em 9 de maio de 2014 19:35, Geowany Alves geowany.a...@gmail.com escreveu: Ainda não tive tempo de testar, mas segue o link: http://www.inquisitor.ru/about/ Inquisitor is an open-source hardware testing and certification system, suitable for

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive. Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn para suspender, diminuir brilho, etc... Em 8 de maio de 2014 08:56, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: Eu possuo um Dell e não tive problemas com drivers. O Novena agrada os

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-10 Thread Gunther Furtado
Tenho um Itautec, batidinho já, que sempre se deu bem com o debian sid com gnome-shell. Sem senões. abs., Em 10.05.2014, sábado, hamacker disse: Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive. Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn para suspender, diminuir brilho, etc...

Dúvida com regra de redirecionamento de porta.

2014-05-10 Thread Henrique Fagundes
Prezados Colegas, Primeiramente saudações pinguianas a todos. Tenho a seguinte regra: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $IF_LINK -p tcp --dport 5938 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.4:5938 Essa regra redireciona tudo que vem do link de internet na porta 5938 para o IP interno 192.168.0.4 na porta

X não carrega automático

2014-05-10 Thread Paulo Correia
Pessoal, Depois que dei um apt-get upgrade e apt-get update O debian se recusa a carregar a interface gráfica automaticamente. Mas se eu chamar com um usuário normal ou root o comando startx ele carrega Já instalei o driver da NVDIA e necas dele carregar automático. Alguém sabe me dizer como

Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi, in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year, and most of them

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Richard Hector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/14 20:54, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. My thoughts: If you're running testing, then it's reasonable you get

policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). I don't know, is it really needed? I don't want to switch to systemd yet. There was a lot of opinions (include me),

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). What it really needs is a working logind, therefore the dependency.

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
Hi, On 05/10/2014 10:54 AM, Slavko wrote: Hi, in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. testing is the key word, if you would use sid, you probably would wonder even more :) If there would be no

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 10/05/2014 12:15, Sven Joachim a écrit : On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). What it really needs is a

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the coming freeze by updating software

iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted

2014-05-10 Thread Morning Star
Hi guys, I got error when executing iodined at my vps: $ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation not permitted so i check -. iodine version: iodine IP over DNS tunneling server version: 0.5.1 from 2009-03-21 -. uname

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread filip
On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? The dependency is needed, but

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:52:46 +0200 filip fi...@fbvnet.be napísal: On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as

Re: iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted

2014-05-10 Thread Mr. Queue
On 5/10/2014 7:03 AM, Morning Star wrote: I got error when executing iodined at my vps: $ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation not permitted You'll need to talk with your host. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Network Manager doesn't pick up network.

2014-05-10 Thread staticsafe
On 5/9/2014 21:44, Ed Jabbour wrote: On Friday, May 09, 2014 12:47:45 PM staticsafe wrote: On 5/9/2014 11:28, Ed Jabbour wrote: Running stable, kde and network-manager-gnome. The modem/router provides two wireless network options - one 2.4 GHz, the other 5. However, net/mgr only picks up the

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 14:26:04 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for

Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 14:09:45 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of

Re: How to use Debian ISOs as package sources in apt?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:28:03 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/05/14 07:36, A Debian User wrote: Also, how do you make sure that apt checks that the packages on the DVDs are current, and retrieves the packages from the online mirrors, instead, if the aren't. I don't. Apt/dpkg

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread David Guntner
Slavko grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread John Hasler
David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every update. There is no reason to obsessively track Testing. -- John

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread David Guntner
John Hasler grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every update. There is no reason

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Slavko: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. The amount of updates that testing receives depends greatly on the current phase of the release cycle. I don't know whether there are hard numbers on

Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread John
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. You're not looking

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Cameron Norman
Greetings John, El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John johnrchamp...@wowway.com escribió: After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them.

Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote: A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with invoke-rc.d update-rc.d on Debian. I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are meant for maintainer

Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Wheezy, you can use: invoke-rc.d service action service service action /etc/init.d/service action invoke-rc.d is meant for maintainer scripts and not users (don't ask me why). /etc/init.d/service action doesn't

Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every

Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 22:40 +0200, Tom H wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote: A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with invoke-rc.d update-rc.d on Debian. I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d

Re: hdparm -t yields incorrect timings when Intel hyperthreading is enabled

2014-05-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 09 May 2014, Paul Ausbeck wrote: I've actually done dummy file reads and writes previously. Well actually just writes. And they go at full speed, no matter what hparm says. For example, your example, works at full speed: dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=10M count=100 ; You have to call

How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Jape Person
Hi, I just used # apt-get install systemd-sysv on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date). It has been my habit to use # touch /forcefsck to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to keep track of the results by copying the contents of

Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Brandon Vincent
Jape, It sounds like the fsck is being conducted while the initramfs is loaded and thus no log is being saved. Ideally, there would be a way to have the console dumped to dmesg. Brandon Vincent On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I just used #

Anyone encountered the same Mount failed error when installing Debian 7.5 with dmraid=true on RAID1 server?

2014-05-10 Thread 釋淨明
Dear all, I'm a newbie in using Debian, my first task (and a good chance to learn using debian) is to setup an email server with the following hardware: Intel S1200btlr board (Intel C204 chipset) with a Xeon E3-1230v2 CPU on it 2*1T disks, form a RAID1 by intel embeded server raid technology II

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi John, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote: After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to keep

minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Martin T
Hi, I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries,

Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Jape Person
On 05/10/2014 06:32 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I just used # apt-get install systemd-sysv on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date). It has been my habit to use # touch /forcefsck to force a file system

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/05/14 04:47, Brian wrote: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I

Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Joshua Anthony
Hi all, Thanks for your responses - even from those who can't resist the opportunity for rudeness. (I do NOT use microsoft windows in any form,) I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I still find a

free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used

2014-05-10 Thread Martin T
Hi, DebianInstaller shows FREE SPACE before the first partition and after the last partition if GPT scheme is used: http://i.imgur.com/qjNrdAx.jpg While there is nothing wrong with that as there is indeed some free space before the first partition and after the last

Re: Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 06:03:35PM -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote: I have used GNU Linux for years - trying out several distros, all by downloading the Iso file and writing to CD. Ubuntu, Slackware, Puppy, and Gnewsense all install just fine after simply right-clicking on the file and selecting

Re: Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Charlie
On Sat, 10 May 2014 18:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Anthony sent: Doesn't anyone have a simple answer? Josh I will give it a go. Download the netinstall .iso file for the Debian version you want. Check the authenticity of the .iso file with md5sum Then, using whatever application you use to