Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-20 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly terminal window. i am new to gnome and xfce. so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be available in xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all gnome utilities will be available as well? like system moni

Istrazni postupak protiv RH zbog krsenja slobode medija

2014-05-20 Thread Zlatko Zeljko
VAŽNA OBAVIJEST Prijedlog za pokretanje istražnog postupka protiv Republike Hrvatske u Europskom parlamentu zbog ograničenja slobode medija (HRT-a) Poštovani, Obavještavamo Vas da je predloženo pokretanje istražnog postupka u Europskom parlamentu protiv Republike Hrvatske zbog povrede član

Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the > new look ("unity" type) i want the all time old menu "gnome classic". how > can i enable that. > I recommend installing Xfce, which is very similar to GNOM

Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/21/14, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with > the new look ("unity" type) i want the all time old menu "gnome classic". > how can i enable that. Basically, your options are: 1) Install XFCE desktop apt-cache show xfce4 http://

want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-20 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the new look ("unity" type) i want the all time old menu "gnome classic". how can i enable that. Thanks, Myk

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 08:12:36PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: ..large snip. > > >I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly > >capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was > >j

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
For future "please use o-t list" hinters, please CC the ot list, even if you're not subscribed, or perhaps only send to o-t list AND to the 'perpetrator'. On 5/21/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: >> Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for.

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread Patrick Wiseman
Top posting here, as everything below is WAY OT. Sorry, Jerry, as old a hand as you may be, you're wrong. Take this "conversation" elsewhere, and stop embarrassing yourself and polluting this otherwise useful list. Cheers Patrick On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/20/20

Re: Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 21/05/14 09:22, theartloy wrote: > Just a data point, this behaviour has changed; > > wheezy's mke2fs(8) has this: >> > Be warned that it is not possible to expand the number of inodes >> > on a filesystem after it is created, so be careful deciding the >> > correct value for this parameter. >

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 05/20/2014 08:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've been told before - just ignore the thread. And i

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that, get a email reader that

Re: Accelerated driver for Intel video driver?

2014-05-20 Thread Brad Alexander
Thanks Filip, On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Filip wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2014 19:18:38 -0400 > > Intel video is normally working out of the box, but for newer > hardware you also need up to date software. > > So if you are on 7.5, try upgrading Jessie. > I apologize, I thought I had specifi

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Tom H wrote: > I'm sad that sysvinit's future seems pretty bleak but that's life. I'm not. There's so much boilerplate in sysvinit scripts, and I'm quite happy to see them replaced with something a lot simpler. The system of coded comments at the top of a shell sc

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> DRM sucks! > > +10E > Okay, now I have to chime in. Not only is this off topic (which I can't complain about, having been guilty of the same), but that's content-free

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > DRM sucks! +10E -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 20 May 2014 at 09:24:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote: >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:14:17PM CEST, Tom H said: >>> >>> You'll have the choice to use sysvinit without logind or to use it >>> with logind if systemd-shim & co are updated. >>> >>> The

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:14:17PM CEST, Tom H said: >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Erwan David wrote: >>> Le 19/05/2014 00:21, Tom H a écrit : On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić wrote: > > Systemd-shim i

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Weaver
On Tue, May 20, 2014 8:00 am, Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2014-05-19 16:22, Mike McGinn wrote: > > > >> I would suggest identifying an backing up the scientific data. I >> would suggest putting a backuo program in place and auditing the >> backups to

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread John Hasler
Padraig Rocks writes: > What about Schrödinger's cat ?. Both guilty and not guilty at the same > time ? Considering that Schrödinger's cat was invented to illustrate the absurdity of the naive Copenhagen interpretation, it seems particularly appropriate to bring it into this discussion. -- John H

Re: systemd - excessive session-creation time

2014-05-20 Thread Tom H
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/20/14, Tom H wrote: >> >> I use Fluxbox on Fedora without a DM so I'm familiar with the >> interaction of logind and xinit but I don't see how my reply to your >> post had anything to do with X or tty7. > > Erwan suggested startx with

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 May 2014 15:03:35 -0400 Ric Moore wrote: > On 05/20/2014 09:45 AM, Celejar wrote: > > >> I'd like to ask that question of every politician, and every police > >> officer, and so forth. I think it could be quite illuminating. > > > > Celejar > > Excellent topic! It needs to be on the

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 20 May 2014 21:50:27 Slavko wrote: > This is international ML, not all posters are native English speakers > (BTW i never meet any native English speaker), then IMO some tolerance > is needed (and expected). I agree, Slavko. But, to be fair to Ken, some at least of those using data as

Re: Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/20/2014 12:00 PM, Richard Hector wrote: > On 21/05/14 04:24, Sven Hartge wrote: ... > I like to create filesystems relatively small, on LVM, so that any of > them can be grown later, when I find out where the space is needed. But > extending an ext(2|3|4) filesystem doesn't create new inodes,

Re: Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread theartloy
On 20/05/14 18:00, Richard Hector wrote: > I like to create filesystems relatively small, on LVM, so that any of > them can be grown later, when I find out where the space is needed. But > extending an ext(2|3|4) filesystem doesn't create new inodes, so the > ratio of inodes to space drops, and eve

Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >> Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've >> been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that, >> get a email reader that will. > > No. Just because you a

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 20 May 2014 14:49:02 -0400 Ken Heard napísal: > The Oxford English Dictionary however agrees with me. This is international ML, not all posters are native English speakers (BTW i never meet any native English speaker), then IMO some tolerance is needed (and expected). regards -

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/20/2014 4:26 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual property? I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of bandwidth on this

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >>> Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual >>> property? >> >> I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of >>

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/20/2014 4:21 PM, David Guntner wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual property? I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of bandwidth on this increasingly off-topic thread. Please take

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Why would you be against someone protecting their intellectual > property? I'm not, personally. I am, however very much against continued waste of bandwidth on this increasingly off-topic thread. Please take further discussion to the off-topic list,

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
The Wanderer grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah] People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly related to

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
Zenaan Harkness grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah] People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly related

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread David Guntner
Celejar grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [blah blah blah off topic blah blah blah] People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly related to Debia

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Padraig Rocks
What about Schrödinger's cat ?. Both guilty and not guilty at the same time ? Padr On 20 May 2014 19:41, Ric Moore wrote: > On 05/20/2014 12:05 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:03:21 Alois Mahdal wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:45:00 -0400 >>> >>> Celejar wrote: >

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/20/2014 09:45 AM, Celejar wrote: I'd like to ask that question of every politician, and every police officer, and so forth. I think it could be quite illuminating. Celejar Excellent topic! It needs to be on the OT list where it can get the debate it deserves. :) Ric -- My father,

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Filip
On Tue, 20 May 2014 14:49:02 -0400 Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2014-05-20 12:16, Filip wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 May 2014 17:03:16 +0100 Lisi Reisz > > wrote: > > > >> (Sorry, Ken. re-sending correctly to list.) > >> > >> On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-05-20 12:16, Filip wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 2014 17:03:16 +0100 Lisi Reisz > wrote: > >> (Sorry, Ken. re-sending correctly to list.) >> >> On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: >>> Please note everybody that the word "data" is pl

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/20/2014 03:24 AM, Erwan David wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:14:17PM CEST, Tom H said: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Erwan David wrote: Le 19/05/2014 00:21, Tom H a écrit : On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić wrote: Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by sys

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-05-20 12:03, Lisi Reisz wrote: > (Sorry, Ken. resending correctly to list.) > > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: >> Please note everybody that the word "data" is plural. The >> beginning of the last line quoted above should c

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/20/2014 12:05 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:03:21 Alois Mahdal wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:45:00 -0400 Celejar wrote: On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: But this is precisely the problem with some of the dogmatic idealists here - by this logic, we should abolish criminal j

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Terence
Yeah, if you'm dumb, why not be dumbder.. Wen us all jess grunts is be no confison yeah! On 20 May 2014 19:19, Brian wrote: > On Tue 20 May 2014 at 17:03:16 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: > > > Please note everybody that the word "data" is p

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 17:03:16 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: > > Please note everybody that the word "data" is plural. The beginning > > of the last line quoted above should consequently read "all the > > scientific data *are* backed up." Other posts

Re: Immediate problem resolved -- Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Richard Hector wrote: > On 20/05/14 23:50, Richard Owlett wrote: >> I read the man pages for all the commands others referenced but didn't >> come with any extrapolation to improve my skills at retrieving >> information on my own. >> Any suggestions? > > Experience

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-20 Thread John Bleichert
On 05/20/2014 01:30 PM, John Bleichert wrote: Same on my HP xw6200. With acpi=rsdt kernel boot parameter boots and seems to work for now on my machine. More info: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73911 There is a proposed patch in bug 748574 That I could not test yet. I did

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-20 Thread John Bleichert
On 05/20/2014 12:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: Loading Linux 3.14-1-amd64 ... Loading initial ramdisk ... early console in decompress_kernel Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done. Booting the kernel. *stall* Same on my HP xw6200. With acpi=rsdt kernel boot parameter boots and seems to wor

Re: Immediate problem resolved -- Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 23:50, Richard Owlett wrote: > I read the man pages for all the commands others referenced but didn't > come with any extrapolation to improve my skills at retrieving > information on my own. > Any suggestions? Experience, I think :-( Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 21/05/14 04:24, Sven Hartge wrote: > Kenneth Jacker wrote: > >> I am buying two new SATA hard drives: 1TB and 2TB. > >> I'd like to use the 2TB unit for backups (typical Linux directories >> and files) ... with just a single file system (ext4 most likely). > >> Will 'mkfs' create "enough"

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-20 Thread Erwan David
Le 20/05/2014 18:27, Danie Heins a écrit : > On 05/18/2014 01:24 AM, John Bleichert wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> Running jessie/sid on an i7. Just installed todays updates which >> included an update from 3.13-1-amd64 to 3.14-1-amd64 and the new kernel >> does not boot, it just stalls at "Booting the

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-20 Thread Danie Heins
On 05/18/2014 01:24 AM, John Bleichert wrote: Hello All, Running jessie/sid on an i7. Just installed todays updates which included an update from 3.13-1-amd64 to 3.14-1-amd64 and the new kernel does not boot, it just stalls at "Booting the kernel" (full console below). Any idea how to debug this

Re: Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread Sven Hartge
Kenneth Jacker wrote: > I am buying two new SATA hard drives: 1TB and 2TB. > I'd like to use the 2TB unit for backups (typical Linux directories > and files) ... with just a single file system (ext4 most likely). > Will 'mkfs' create "enough" inodes? Or, would it be better to, say, > split

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:26:41 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > [...] > > If that's not (related to) what you're asking, then I'm > afraid I don't understand the question. No, I think you understood; my confusion came from not understanding the text correctly; perhaps because I'm not a native English

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Filip
On Tue, 20 May 2014 17:03:16 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > (Sorry, Ken. resending correctly to list.) > > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: > > Please note everybody that the word "data" is plural. The beginning > > of the last line quoted above should consequently read "all the > >

Large File Systems - Enough inodes?

2014-05-20 Thread Kenneth Jacker
I am buying two new SATA hard drives: 1TB and 2TB. I'd like to use the 2TB unit for backups (typical Linux directories and files) ... with just a single file system (ext4 most likely). Will 'mkfs' create "enough" inodes? Or, would it be better to, say, split the 2TB into four 500GB file syste

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Tony van der Hoff
N is guilty. Hang the bastard! -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:03:21 Alois Mahdal wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:45:00 -0400 > > Celejar wrote: > > > >> On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: > > > >>> But this is precisely the problem with some of the > > > >>> dogmatic idealists here - by this logic, we should > > > >>> abolish criminal just

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
(Sorry, Ken. resending correctly to list.) On Tuesday 20 May 2014 16:00:42 Ken Heard wrote: > Please note everybody that the word "data" is plural. The beginning > of the last line quoted above should consequently read "all the > scientific data *are* backed up." Other posts in this thread make

Re: where are the old packages (supersceded?)

2014-05-20 Thread Phi Debian
Hi Wanderer, On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:54 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > If you got it from the official Debian package repositories at some > point in the past, then that version of the package should be available > through snapshot.debian.org. > > You may have to dig a bit, but it should be there.

Re: where are the old packages (supersceded?)

2014-05-20 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/20/2014 11:46 AM, Phi Debian wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking for the kernel debug info package for uname like this > (from a crash, don't have the system at hand) > > 3.2.0-4-686-pae (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Deb

where are the old packages (supersceded?)

2014-05-20 Thread Phi Debian
Hi All, I am looking for the kernel debug info package for uname like this (from a crash, don't have the system at hand) 3.2.0-4-686-pae (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1\012" Where can I find a package (.deb) named like this linux-im

Re: Problem with latest cdimage cd1/netinst amd64

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 07:54:19 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: > No. > > I have been using PendriveLinux and Rufus to "burn" ISOs (Debian, > ArchLinux, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Linux Mint) without problems. That's fine ; who can argue with success. The OP, however, has a problem with installing from netin

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Reco
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 09:16:41PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > I believe hplip is maintained by the same people who maintain CUPS. If > not the two groups are certainly in constant friendly communication. hplip is maintained by Debian HPIJS and HPLIP maintainers: pkg-hpijs-de...@lists.alioth.de

Re: OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/20/2014 11:03 AM, Alois Mahdal wrote: > I am confused about the meaning of n. He first states that > > n = (P - 10) / 10; # P being population of Sodom, Actually, he first states that (taking excerpts): >> "Better that ten guilty persons e

OT: n guilty men: what is n? [Was: Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe...]

2014-05-20 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:45:00 -0400 Celejar wrote: > > >> On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: > > > > >>> But this is precisely the problem with some of the > > >>> dogmatic idealists here - by this logic, we should > > >>> abolish criminal justice entirely, as it's virtually > > >>> impossible to guarant

Re: Debian 5 -- "data" is plural.

2014-05-20 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-05-19 16:22, Mike McGinn wrote: > I would suggest identifying an backing up the scientific data. I > would suggest putting a backuo program in place and auditing the > backups to make sure that all the scientific data is backed up. > Only th

Re: Problem with latest cdimage cd1/netinst amd64

2014-05-20 Thread Horatio Leragon
No. I have been using PendriveLinux and Rufus to "burn" ISOs (Debian, ArchLinux, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Linux Mint) without problems. From: Brian To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Problem with latest cdimage cd1/net

Re: Anyone using exim with fastmail.fm's smtp server as smart host?

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 12:57:01 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > According to > https://www.fastmail.fm/help/technical/servernamesandports.html what you > require is mail.messagingengine.com port 465 (old-style SSL) or port 587 > (with STARTTLS). You shouldn't need to pretend to be anyone else to send

Re: Problem with latest cdimage cd1/netinst amd64

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 15:28:55 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 20 May 2014 15:17:13 Eneko Lacunza wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm having trouble with latest cdimages of arch=amd64. I tried with > > netinst iso and also with cd1 iso. I burn them to a USB pendrive using > > unetbootin using (up

Re: Problem with latest cdimage cd1/netinst amd64

2014-05-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 20 May 2014 15:17:13 Eneko Lacunza wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having trouble with latest cdimages of arch=amd64. I tried with > netinst iso and also with cd1 iso. I burn them to a USB pendrive using > unetbootin using (updated) Ubuntu 12.04 . Try using Debian directly. For method: https

Problem with latest cdimage cd1/netinst amd64

2014-05-20 Thread Eneko Lacunza
Hi all, I'm having trouble with latest cdimages of arch=amd64. I tried with netinst iso and also with cd1 iso. I burn them to a USB pendrive using unetbootin using (updated) Ubuntu 12.04 . They work ok, except the installer doesn't find any suitable kernel to install, even with network conn

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/20/2014 9:09 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote: [...] Actually I had a similar problem many years ago - I was working

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:29:57 -0400 Gary Dale wrote: > On 20/05/14 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote: ... > > Of course. But while it's certainly not a zero-sum game, there's > > generally going to be a trade-off: increasing protections for > > defendants will save some innocents, at the expense of lettin

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:15:39 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 05/20/2014 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness > > wrote: > > > >> On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: > > >>> But this is precisely the pro

Re: Tails

2014-05-20 Thread Joel Rees
Please, anyone else who wants to object to a perhaps unfortunate turn of phrase, please read the whole thread first. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:16 AM, André Nunes Batista wrote: > On Sat, 2014-05-17 at 21:06 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: >> On 16/05/14 16:42, Weaver wrote: [ A request for some face

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 21:57 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > > On Du, 18 mai 14, 23:06:57, Gary Dale wrote: > >> DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by > >> DRM. > > > > Get a refund. > > Ah, but the "license" sa

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 20/05/14 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/17/14, Slavko wrote: ... Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned and/or pu

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/20/2014 09:07 AM, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness > wrote: > >> On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: >>> But this is precisely the problem with some of the dogmatic >>> idealists here - by this logic, we should ab

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/19/2014 8:17 AM, Richard Hector wrote: >> >> On 20/05/14 00:14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> >>> On 5/19/2014 7:58 AM, Richard Hector wrote: [...] Actually I had a similar problem many years ago - I was working with a perfectly

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:47:57 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000 > > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On 5/17/14, Slavko wrote: > > ... > >> > Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned > >> > and/or punished, but

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 18 mai 14, 23:06:57, Gary Dale wrote: >> DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by >> DRM. > > Get a refund. Ah, but the "license" says, "NO REFUNDS!" -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy.

Re: Immediate problem resolved -- Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 06:50:58 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > My config file did include "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m" and the two lines > acted as desired. > Thank you. > > However no one addressed the more general question posed in my first > paragraph. > > I read the man pages for all the commands

Re: Anyone using exim with fastmail.fm's smtp server as smart host?

2014-05-20 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 06:22:49PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm trying to setup exim4 in a situation that has got to be pretty > common. (Other than perhaps the choice of smtp server) > > In general it is: > > single user home machine running debian > > send mail to remote addresses by `smar

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/20/14, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: >> On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000 >> Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> On 5/17/14, Slavko wrote: >> ... >>> > Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned >>> > and/or punished, but when no one blameless is pers

Immediate problem resolved -- Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Tom H wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: My general question is "How to search for a particular particle of information that you've seen SOMEWHERE in the reams of information available as formal documentation, web pages, mailing lists, etc." My current instance is a

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/20/14, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 5/17/14, Slavko wrote: > ... >> > Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned >> > and/or punished, but when no one blameless is persecuted. >> >> Very eloquent and beautiful wo

Re: Anyone using exim with fastmail.fm's smtp server as smart host?

2014-05-20 Thread Klaus
On 19/05/14 23:22, Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm trying to setup exim4 in a situation that has got to be pretty > common. (Other than perhaps the choice of smtp server) > > In general it is: > > single user home machine running debian > > send mail to remote addresses by `smart host' > > Retrieve m

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:40:56 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/17/14, Slavko wrote: ... > > Don't forget, that justice is not when all criminals are imprisoned > > and/or punished, but when no one blameless is persecuted. > > Very eloquent and beautiful words. > > Thank you Slavko. But th

Re: 2 xservers/display managers

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 10:05, Javier Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Richard Hector wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 20/05/14 04:13, Ralph Katz wrote: >>> On 05/19/2014 08:20 AM, Richard Hector wrote: Hey all, >>> I'm wondering if it

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 May 2014 at 09:24:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:14:17PM CEST, Tom H said: > > > > You'll have the choice to use sysvinit without logind or to use it > > with logind if systemd-shim & co are updated. > > > > The list of packages depending on logind is likely

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 09:16:12AM CEST, Andrei POPESCU said: > On Lu, 19 mai 14, 09:46:19, Erwan David wrote: > > > > > You mean all messages saying "it is just the default, you will have > > choice" were actually false... > > You have the choice to contribute in making Debian work with > alte

Re: set higher verbosity in exim4 output

2014-05-20 Thread Brian
On Mon 19 May 2014 at 17:40:46 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > Do you mean something more than: > /usr/sbin/exim4 -v $recipient > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . which is the > > address to which the test message is sent, e.g. > > So are you talking about something more than above or what?

Re: Debian 5

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 20 mai 14, 10:35:34, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 19 mai 14, 15:40:05, Jim Harris wrote: > > We checked the archives, however they seem to be closed at this time. > > Check http://achive.debian.org ^^^ Sorry, that is a*r*chive, of course. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:14:17PM CEST, Tom H said: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 19/05/2014 00:21, Tom H a écrit : > >> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that

Re: Vertualbox installation errors

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 17 mai 14, 14:24:59, Gary Roach wrote: > > PS - I hope that some of the "snarky" seeming replies were due to non > native english speaking instead of malevolent intent. If not keep a lid on > the temper folks. I must have lost my patience after repeating the same thing over and over aga

Re: Debian 5

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 19 mai 14, 15:40:05, Jim Harris wrote: > We checked the archives, however they seem to be closed at this time. Check http://achive.debian.org Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.deb

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 19 mai 14, 09:46:19, Erwan David wrote: > > > You mean all messages saying "it is just the default, you will have > choice" were actually false... You have the choice to contribute in making Debian work with alternatives. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 09:01:35AM CEST, David Dušanić said: > 19.05.2014, 10:30, "Erwan David" : > > And can you explain why hplip depends on systemd ? > > Excepting that some people pretend that their personal choice is the > only way to run a ciomputer and tend to enforce it to o

Re: Unable to install Debian 7.5.0

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 19 mai 14, 13:09:03, Saptarshi Kapas wrote: > Hi, > > I downloaded debian-7.5.0 from this following location > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-dvd/ . After download i > burn this iso in dvd. After that when i am trying to install this to my > local machine, machine is una

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-20 Thread David Dušanić
19.05.2014, 10:30, "Erwan David" :And can you explain why hplip depends on systemd ?Excepting that some people pretend that their personal choice is theonly way to run a ciomputer and tend to enforce it to other.Linux is becoming  just another windows. It is no more a Unix.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Where to get older versions of pkgs

2014-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 18 mai 14, 18:33:48, José Antonio Podadera Moya wrote: > > Anyway, you can download the packages from snapshot and downgrade them, > without adding a new source to APT. Install with DPKG and be sure you put > them > on hold so they will never be upgraded again. I'm not sure this is such