Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 6/17/14, Brian wrote: > On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 21:25:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: >> > From the man himself: >> > >> > >> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html >> >> Please don't post links to the troll and Li

Re: lost file ownerships in etc?

2014-06-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 6/17/14, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: > Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 6/16/14, der.hans wrote: >>> Am 16. Jun, 2014 schwätzte Zenaan Harkness so: >>> moin moin, Most files in /etc/ have lost their file ownerships, having become user 1000. >> Can it be easily fixed?

Re: kde purge unsuccessful?

2014-06-16 Thread PaulNM
On 06/16/2014 07:27 PM, tom arnall wrote: > what are these k* apps about? i don't want any part of kde on my > system and thought i had removed it completely, but i see: kdevtmpfs. > and have suspicions about other names in the list. > > top - 16:22:44 up 3 min, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014, Hans wrote: > Why not fix it directly in testing? I always thought, packages in > testing are already tested (for a time). Follwing your desription, it > would be better, to run sid than testing, as the fix is faster in sid, > than in testing. The fix may be faster in unstable

kde purge unsuccessful?

2014-06-16 Thread tom arnall
what are these k* apps about? i don't want any part of kde on my system and thought i had removed it completely, but i see: kdevtmpfs. and have suspicions about other names in the list. top - 16:22:44 up 3 min, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.52, 0.24 Tasks: 123 total, 2 running, 121 sleeping,

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread John Hasler
Tom Furie writes: > If you are looking for bleeding edge (bear in mind it's called > bleeding edge for a reason), and are comfortable with fixing breakages > or can configure around breakage until it's fixed then sid may be the > path to take. If you are looking to test the next stable-in-waiting,

Re: Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce GUI shutdown and restart do not work

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:55 AM, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: > why would you comple ALSA ? it has been pretty solid in past versions (to > support basic features on all cards in hardware compatibility list) and has > always been pre-compiled ! Because the version provided didn't

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Tom Furie
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 09:28:41PM +0200, Hans wrote: > Why not fix it directly in testing? I always thought, packages in testing are > already tested (for a time). Follwing your desription, it would be better, to > run sid than testing, as the fix is faster in sid, than in testing. Packages a

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:34:58 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > What practical alternative suggestion do you have in response? First, try to understand why fsck has failed; is it "just a small error"?, may be due to a power failure, or is it a big failure? may be due to the HD falling apart. What exactly

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Bob Proulx
B wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > That will automatically run "fsck -y" at boot time. See the > > This is terribly dangerous and might rid all possibilities to > recover sensitive data. What practical alternative suggestion do you have in response? Please don't just say don't do it out of FU

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 21:31:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: > > From the man himself: > > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html > > Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. We

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 21:25:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: > > From the man himself: > > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html > > Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. An

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: > From the man himself: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: > From the man himself: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 16. Juni 2014, 12:13:32 schrieb Don Armstrong: > > in sid, should move to testing and then to sid. My fault! Should be " ..in sid, should move to testing and then to stable. (Sorry!) > eappear again testing, > > This is generally because the packages are specifically removed

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:09:02 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > That will automatically run "fsck -y" at boot time. See the This is terribly dangerous and might rid all possibilities to recover sensitive data. -- Phil: Infect a computer running Vista with a virus is like raping a hooker... sig

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Tue 17 Jun 2014 at 06:25:01 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:43:18PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On the other hand, not running X on the console you started it from with > > startx brings a raft of other problems. > > Well, I typed startx in tty4 and it started in tty3

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014, Hans wrote: > from time to time I discover packages, which are in stable and sid, > but NOT in testing. This looks weired for me, as packages, which are > in sid, should move to testing and then to sid. As is documented in https://www.debian.org/devel/testing, this is incorrec

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Bob Proulx
Martin Richard wrote: > I would like to configure an access to a console during runlevel 1.The idea > is that sometimes, checkfs (performed at runlevel 1) may hang, and I'd like > to have access to a terminal to confirm. If the system needs to run an fsck and if the fsck fails I have always had it

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:44:19 +0200 Hans wrote: > from time to time I discover packages, which are in stable and > sid, but NOT in testing. This looks weired for me, as packages, > which are in sid, should move to testing and then to sid. https://www.debian.org/devel/testing -- Hey, how much i

Re: downgrading a virtualbox guest

2014-06-16 Thread Linux-Fan
On 06/16/2014 03:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Hello. > > I made some virtual computers with my desktop computer, which runs a ( > mostly ) Debian testing. Now, I have noticed that even with virtualbox's > backports, the computer on which I want to finally use them ( I was too > la

weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Hans
Hello list, from time to time I discover packages, which are in stable and sid, but NOT in testing. This looks weired for me, as packages, which are in sid, should move to testing and then to sid. This happens also with packages, which are already in stable, suddenly disappear in testing, but s

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:43:18PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Jun 2014 at 00:40:14 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Ahh, OK. Must have been reverted. systemd-sysv - Installed: 204-8 > > Candidate: 204-8 Running Jessie. > > > > X running on TTY3 at present, a bit of a pain when switching TTY'

Re: How to use de "update" CDs?

2014-06-16 Thread Curt
On 2014-02-09, Markos wrote: > > But I don't know how to use the CDs "Update". > debian-update-7.3.0-i386-CD ... > https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debia

Re: [Jessie/Sid] dlm-pcmk & ocfs2-tools-pacemaker packages no longer supported?

2014-06-16 Thread Gilles Mocellin
Le 16/06/2014 18:31, Alexis de BRUYN a écrit : > Hi Everybody, > > I see that dlm-pcmk & ocfs2-tools-pacemaker packages are not available > for Jessie/Sid. Someone could tell me why? > > Regards, > I see in the changelog : ocfs2-tools (1.6.4-3) unstable; urgency=low * Use dh_autotools-dev to up

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Tue 17 Jun 2014 at 00:40:14 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:34:58AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Montag, 16. Juni 2014, 10:11:00 schrieb Chris Bannister: > > > I am now using it. I don't like how it starts X in the first available > > > TTY but I guess I'll

[Jessie/Sid] dlm-pcmk & ocfs2-tools-pacemaker packages no longer supported?

2014-06-16 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
Hi Everybody, I see that dlm-pcmk & ocfs2-tools-pacemaker packages are not available for Jessie/Sid. Someone could tell me why? Regards, -- Alexis de BRUYN -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.deb

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:54:13 +0200 Martin Richard wrote: > I would like to configure an access to a console during runlevel > 1.The idea is that sometimes, checkfs (performed at runlevel 1) > may hang, and I'd like to have access to a terminal to confirm. I don't know if that is possible, but yo

Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-16 Thread Martin Richard
Hi, I would like to configure an access to a console during runlevel 1.The idea is that sometimes, checkfs (performed at runlevel 1) may hang, and I'd like to have access to a terminal to confirm. I tried to start getty on a tty as soon as possible in inittab but it does not work as expected. in

Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:03:56 -0500 Mike Bailey wrote: > Hello all, > Last week I bought myself a new monitor to replace my old 24" > monitor. The new monitor is a Samsung S27C500, which is connected via > hdmi. The monitor has two inputs: one hdmi, and one vga. [clip] > I am stuck with a probl

Re: Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Mike Bailey
A quick Google returns this interesting link: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=440&threadid=168568&messid=1324412&parentid=1322139&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Branch indicating even the Windows AMD driver has trouble. Have you tried the vesa driver as a test? Wow! I didn't come across

Re: Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 09:23 -0500, Mike Bailey wrote: > > Is it a multisync monitor? You perhaps need to configure the monitor's > > settings on the monitor. > > > > When using the GUI the frequencies of my monitor are 81.9KHz/89.9Hz, if > > I switch to tty2 the frequencies are 48.3KHz/59.9Hz on a

Re: Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Mike Bailey
A quick Google returns this interesting link: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=440&threadid=168568&messid=1324412&parentid=1322139&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Branch indicating even the Windows AMD driver has trouble. Have you tried the vesa driver as a test? Wow! I didn't come across

Re: Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Mike Bailey
Is it a multisync monitor? You perhaps need to configure the monitor's settings on the monitor. When using the GUI the frequencies of my monitor are 81.9KHz/89.9Hz, if I switch to tty2 the frequencies are 48.3KHz/59.9Hz on an Arch Linux install using the radeon driver. My multisync monitor remem

Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 08:03:56AM -0500, Mike Bailey wrote: > Hello all, > Last week I bought myself a new monitor to replace my old 24" monitor. The > new monitor is a Samsung S27C500, which is connected via hdmi. The monitor > has two inputs: one hdmi, and one vga. I do not have a VGA input on m

Re: Multimedia player for video filte type qs

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:34:13PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > Next up, try VLC and/or mplayer on the file. Both of these players are > quite good at detecting file formats and may give you something useful. I think mplayer is being 'tossed' out of the archive. mpv is a good, if not better, repla

Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 08:03 -0500, Mike Bailey wrote: > If I send an ctrl+alt+f2 to switch to tty2, I am able to use the > entirety of the monitor, which tells me that this is an issue somewhere > in X. Is it a multisync monitor? You perhaps need to configure the monitor's settings on the monito

downgrading a virtualbox guest

2014-06-16 Thread berenger . morel
Hello. I made some virtual computers with my desktop computer, which runs a ( mostly ) Debian testing. Now, I have noticed that even with virtualbox's backports, the computer on which I want to finally use them ( I was too lazy to want to learn how to correctly create VMs from command-line ) i

Screen size trouble with Xorg

2014-06-16 Thread Mike Bailey
Hello all, Last week I bought myself a new monitor to replace my old 24" monitor. The new monitor is a Samsung S27C500, which is connected via hdmi. The monitor has two inputs: one hdmi, and one vga. I do not have a VGA input on my video card, so I use the hdmi connector. The monitor did not i

Re: Multimedia player for video filte type qs

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 03:38:09PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > using File Manager, on a Debian 6 system, which shows the video files > as having the extension .qs, , but, on a Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce system, > using the file manager, it shows, in the instance of the last recorded > thumb drive, the vi

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:34:58AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Montag, 16. Juni 2014, 10:11:00 schrieb Chris Bannister: > > I am now using it. I don't like how it starts X in the first available > > TTY but I guess I'll get used to it or spend a few days reading the docs > > and see what

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-16, roberto wrote: > > I didn't want to reboot. That's why I didn't use the '-r' flag > Wonderful. Except for the minor detail that you are unable to boot into the operating system, a humbling experience (for most of us). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian

Re: Multimedia player for video filte type qs

2014-06-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 03:38:09PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I wonder whether a multimedia player for the video filteype .qs exists > for Debian Linux. I would probably try "file somefile.qs" to see if it's an identifiable format. If file reports it to be simply "data", then you may h

Re: boot order

2014-06-16 Thread Joel Rees
Well, this is embarrassing. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > give me a break! > > 2014/06/16 0:46 "Chris Bannister" : > [off-list comments that I responded to on-list] :-/ (I'm pretty sure Chris didn't mind, but I think we could have had a slightly more interesting discussion

Re: apt-get update: unnecessary use of disk space

2014-06-16 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Chris Bannister wrote, on 06/16/2014 00:27: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:04:14PM +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: ... >> For the "ext" family of file systems this can be done on the running system. > > The suspense is killing me. Is it a secret? > Of course it's not, we're dealing with FOSS ;-) T

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 11:39:23 +0200, roberto wrote: > I booted using usb-stick with the image: > debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso > > I chose "Advanced Options" > Then I chose "Rescue Mode" Good. > Then the only option I had was to repeat the entire installation, under > this "Resue Mode". > Why

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread roberto
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Brian wrote: > > And how did using rescue mode go? > > I booted using usb-stick with the image: debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso I chose "Advanced Options" Then I chose "Rescue Mode" Then the only option I had was to repeat the entire installation, under this "Resu

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread roberto
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Curt wrote: > > #shutdown -h now > > > > Oh all right, that's the way it's done (except that maybe you desired > only a reboot, in which case the '-r' flag would have been in order). I didn't want to reboot. That's why I didn't use the '-r' flag -- Roberto

Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)

2014-06-16 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 16. Juni 2014, 10:11:00 schrieb Chris Bannister: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 03:33:43PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > For the record I am using systemd without any issues, but then I am > > doing so on desktop systems. I just dislike the increasingly monolithic > > architecture of system

Re: Multimedia player for video filte type qs

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 15:38:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I wonder whether a multimedia player for the video filteype .qs exists > for Debian Linux. Have you tried playing it with vlc? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: lost file ownerships in etc?

2014-06-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 6/16/14, der.hans wrote: > Am 16. Jun, 2014 schwätzte Zenaan Harkness so: > moin moin, >> Most files in /etc/ have lost their file ownerships, having become user >> 1000. >> Can it be easily fixed? >> >> I am running etckeeper - is that useful to fixing this? > > Yes, etckeeper keeps track of

Re: Re: xcb-util-image

2014-06-16 Thread shishir tiwari
hi i have check value of XCB_UTIL_CFLAGS is not set . do you have any idea , how to set this flag. thanks shishir tiwari -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 08:39:59 +0200, roberto wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Curt wrote: > > > > Do you mean you actually just cut the power without cleanly shutting > > down your brand spanking new debian wheezy? That would be ill-advised. > > > > #shutdown -h now And how did using

Multimedia player for video filte type qs

2014-06-16 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I wonder whether a multimedia player for the video filteype .qs exists for Debian Linux. The filetype is from a bodgy digital television that records (sometimes, when the facility works) to USB media, via some functionality named PVR. The television can sometimes find the media, and, some

Re: lost file ownerships in etc?

2014-06-16 Thread der.hans
Am 16. Jun, 2014 schwätzte Zenaan Harkness so: moin moin, Most files in /etc/ have lost their file ownerships, having become user 1000. Why might this happen? chown -R 1000 /etc/ Please don't run that :) Can it be easily fixed? I am running etckeeper - is that useful to fixing this? Ye

Re: Fwd: Installation media

2014-06-16 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-16, roberto wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Curt wrote: >> >> Do you mean you actually just cut the power without cleanly shutting >> down your brand spanking new debian wheezy? That would be ill-advised. > > #shutdown -h now > Oh all right, that's the way it's done (exce

Re: Exim4 with zoho

2014-06-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jun 2014 at 13:07:09 +0800, 斟酌鵬兄 wrote: > This is the follow up output of swaks with positive feedback: > root@Astroweb:/etc/exim4# swaks --auth --to --server > smtp.zoho.com --protocol SMTPS > Username: > Password: > === Trying smtp.zoho.com:465... > === Connected to smtp.zoho.com. >

Re: Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce GUI shutdown and restart do not work

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > The screen ends up grey, with the system hanged, resulting in (when > that happens), an abortion shutdown - holding down the power switch > for the 12 seconds (or whatever), which results in (amongst other > things), on next bootup, fsck-ing of

Re: Gnome /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings?

2014-06-16 Thread Prunk Dump
2014-06-16 4:03 GMT+02:00 John Conover : > > Installed Debian 7.5.0 in 8 machines, and 4 of them ignore > "disable-user-list=true" in /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings. (Identical > configurations in all 8 machines.) > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John > > -- > > John Conover, cono...@rahul

lost file ownerships in etc?

2014-06-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Most files in /etc/ have lost their file ownerships, having become user 1000. Why might this happen? Can it be easily fixed? I am running etckeeper - is that useful to fixing this? TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". T