Re: [squeeze] update-rc.d avec un comportement étonnant

2014-07-05 Thread François Boisson
Le Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:59:01 +0200 Gilles Mocellin gilles.mocel...@nuagelibre.org a écrit: Oui, et X-Start-Before, X-Stop-After. Insserv va déterminer l'arbre logique de lancement à partir de ces dépendances. S'il n'y a pas de boucles. Certes mais on peut neutraliser ce système en créant un

Re: [squeeze] update-rc.d avec un comportement étonnant

2014-07-05 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Le 4 juillet 2014, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Le 04/07/2014 09:45, Christophe a écrit : Bonjour, Le 04/07/2014 00:05, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Bonjour, Bon, je ne suis pas sous squeeze, mais Je ne vois pas de troisième paramètre après defaults dans le man d'update-rc.d. Pourtant

Re: Mixer deux versions de PHP (5.3 et 5.4)

2014-07-05 Thread Serge Cavailles
Le Friday 04 July 2014 17:00:54 Grégoire COUTANT, vous avez écrit : Bonjour, Le 04/07/2014 14:30, Serge Cavailles a écrit : Je ne sais si ça peut vous aider, mais en cherchant autre chose je suis tombé sur cette page qui m'a l'air de pouvoir apporter des éléments. Manque le lien :-) Je

Re: problemas con wifi

2014-07-05 Thread Manolo Díaz
El sábado, 5 jul 2014 a las 06:51 horas (UTC+2), Carlos Carcamo escribió: El día 4 de julio de 2014, 8:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Thu, 03 Jul 2014 22:28:12 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: El día 3 de julio de 2014, 8:48, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) ¿Y te

Re: problemas con wifi

2014-07-05 Thread Manolo Díaz
El sábado, 5 jul 2014 a las 06:51 horas (UTC+2), Carlos Carcamo escribió: trate también con: $sudo echo blaclist asus-wmi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf Por cierto, usar ese tipo de redirección es peligroso a menos que el fichero estuviese previamente vacío. Cualquier contenido que hubiese

Debian en Xbox

2014-07-05 Thread Angel Vicente
Hola a todos... Estoy en la posibilidad de obtener una Xbox 360 que ya no se utiliza. Alguna vez oí que se puede instalar Linux, e incluso había una distribución específica para ello, que parece discontinuada. He estado buscando por Internet, pero no tengo claro si se puede. Todavía no tengo la

Re: problemas con wifi

2014-07-05 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 04 Jul 2014 22:51:03 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: El día 4 de julio de 2014, 8:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Jul 3 21:01:48 homeserver wpa_supplicant[5280]: rfkill: WLAN soft blocked ^

Re: OT un buen manual libro sobre IPTABLES

2014-07-05 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:53:21 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: un buen manual o libro sobre IPTABLES q me puedan mandar Tienes un montón de manuales y prácticos disponibles en Google y en Español, quizá sería mejor que precisaras algo más, por ejemplo, si necesitas que sea de una

Re: Debian en Xbox

2014-07-05 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:31:00 +0200, Angel Vicente escribió: Hola a todos... Estoy en la posibilidad de obtener una Xbox 360 que ya no se utiliza. Alguna vez oí que se puede instalar Linux, e incluso había una distribución específica para ello, que parece discontinuada. He estado buscando

Re: OT un buen manual libro sobre IPTABLES

2014-07-05 Thread Flako
El día 5 de julio de 2014, 10:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:53:21 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: Tienes un montón de manuales y prácticos disponibles en Google y en Español Yo quisiera uno animado para poder se comprender como interactúan las chain

Re: problemas con wifi

2014-07-05 Thread Carlos Carcamo
El día 5 de julio de 2014, 7:25, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 04 Jul 2014 22:51:03 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: El día 4 de julio de 2014, 8:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Jul 3 21:01:48 homeserver wpa_supplicant[5280]: rfkill: WLAN soft blocked

Re: problemas con wifi

2014-07-05 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 05 Jul 2014 08:52:53 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: El día 5 de julio de 2014, 7:25, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) $ sudo rfkill unblock all $ sudo rfkill list all 0: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN (...) Sigue igual. Hum... prueba con rfkill unblock 0. Lo hice y sigue

Re: Debian en Xbox

2014-07-05 Thread Juan Pablo Jaramillo Pineda
El 05/07/14 06:31, Angel Vicente escribió: Hola a todos... Saludos Estoy en la posibilidad de obtener una Xbox 360 que ya no se utiliza. Alguna vez oí que se puede instalar Linux, e incluso había una distribución específica para ello, que parece discontinuada. He estado buscando por

Re: OT un buen manual libro sobre IPTABLES

2014-07-05 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El sáb, 05-07-2014 a las 10:37 -0300, Flako escribió: El día 5 de julio de 2014, 10:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:53:21 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: Tienes un montón de manuales y prácticos disponibles en Google y en Español Yo quisiera uno

RE: [PSL-MG] Diferença de gNewSense para Debian Squeeze

2014-07-05 Thread Vitor Hugo
este gnewsense parece que é brasileiro? Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:44:09 -0300 From: thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br CC: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org; psl-bra...@listas.softwarelivre.org; psl...@listas.softwarelivre.org Subject: Re: [PSL-MG] Diferença de gNewSense para Debian Squeeze To:

Re: RE: [PSL-MG] Diferença de gNewSense para Debian Squeeze

2014-07-05 Thread Thiago Zoroastro
É irlandês de origem.     Thiago Zoroastro  http://blogoosfero.cc/profile/thiagozoroastro De: vitorhug...@hotmail.comEnviada: Sábado, 5 de Julho de 2014 09:20Para: thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br,debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.orgAssunto: RE: [PSL-MG] Diferença de gNewSense para Debian Squeeze

desinstalar ubuntu - instalar debian

2014-07-05 Thread Alessandra C
Pessoal, Tenho um laptop velhinho que tinha windows e tentei instalar o ubuntu 14.04 nele com uma imagem que baixei da internet. Mil problemas, instalação incompleta, tudo muito pesado... Enfim, não gostei e agora quero desinstalar o Ubuntu e instalar o Debian. Daí Baixei uma imagem do Debian

Re: desinstalar ubuntu - instalar debian

2014-07-05 Thread Thiago Zoroastro
Oi,   TIve várias experiẽncias com o netinstall. Mas ele deveria bootar. Você escolhe o netinstall ou gostaria de colocar um debian live para rodar pelo pendrive? Já viu algo mais próximo do Ubuntu como o Trisquel? Ou algo mais próximo ao Debian, como o Linux Mint?   Depende do que você quer.

Re: desinstalar ubuntu - instalar debian

2014-07-05 Thread P. J.
Se o boot com a iso no pendrive não funcionou, pode ser problema com a maneira que vc fez o pendrive, por exemplo imagem com problema ou programa de tornar o pendrive bootavel ser bugado. Teste o pendrive em outra máquina para ver se o problema persiste. E qual programa vc utilizou? E de qual

Re: desinstalar ubuntu - instalar debian

2014-07-05 Thread Alessandra C
opa, valeu por todas as dicas. vou tentar e logo dou retorno pra avisar se deu tudo certo. obrigada!! Em 5 de julho de 2014 12:05, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: Se o boot com a iso no pendrive não funcionou, pode ser problema com a maneira que vc fez o pendrive, por exemplo imagem com

Re: desinstalar ubuntu - instalar debian

2014-07-05 Thread Éder Saraiva Grigório
On 07/05/2014 11:14 AM, Alessandra C wrote: Pessoal, Olá, Alessandra! Bom dia! Como você está? Espero que esteja bem. Tenho um laptop velhinho que tinha windows e tentei instalar o ubuntu 14.04 nele com uma imagem que baixei da internet. Mil problemas, instalação incompleta, tudo muito

Re: Raid - Problema com boot

2014-07-05 Thread Sérgio Abrantes Junior
Olá Helio, Sou eu mesmo. Assunto resolvido. Valeu Sérgio Abrantes 2014-07-04 13:46 GMT-03:00 Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br: Foi vc que postou essa dúvida no facebook, e acabou resolvendo? Abs, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro

ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I tried to install this video card using dkms and fglrx debian module... It does not compile... I tried the amd proprietary module, it does not compile. No clue in log files Debian wheezy kernel 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 Does anyone have an

why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Balint
http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! This implementation is going to become Linux to Windows. The system will have main almighty process which can't be updated without restart. If that process will be corrupted the all

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Reco
Ok, I'll bite. On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 10:21:01 +0100 Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! Who should be contacted for this 'drop', in your option? This implementation is going

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 05/07/14 10:21, Balint wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! This implementation is going to become Linux to Windows. The system will have main almighty process which can't be updated without restart. If

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 10:21:01 Balint wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! This implementation is going to become Linux to Windows. The system will have main almighty process which can't be updated without

Re: ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread Rob
Have you installed the linux-headers package that matches your linux-image version? Rob On 5 July 2014 10:37:39 BST, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I tried to install this video card using dkms and fglrx debian

Re: ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/07/2014 12:32, Rob a écrit : Have you installed the linux-headers package that matches your linux-image version? Of course! - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Balint
On 05/07/2014 11:01, Reco wrote: Ok, I'll bite. On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 10:21:01 +0100 Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! Who should be contacted for this 'drop', in your option?

Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
I have a thought on trolling: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 10:21:01 Balint wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just read them and protest to developer drop this piece of sh*t! This implementation is going

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 11:38:08 Balint wrote: I don't know, I've just wanted to notify people this approach is not the best. No, you didn't. People have been notified and notified and notified. You just wanted to start another flame war. If you really want information, look up all the

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Balint
Why everybody so angry with me? I'm not trolling at all, but this behavior is unfair. Yes, I did your suggestion, and read the treads that I have in my mail client. My opinion is, lots of people just accept this state and everyone else, who try to say something else, they will be ostracized.

Re: Modifying gtk2 fonts SOLVED

2014-07-05 Thread Siard
Steve Litt: Siard: But editing ~/.gtkrc-2.0 is indeed the easiest and most hassle-free way when not using Gnome. To set the default gtk2-font, add something like this: gtk-font-name = Liberation Sans 11 The preceding doesn't work on my machine. I tried. To use the font

Re: ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread John Bleichert
On 07/05/2014 06:48 AM, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/07/2014 12:32, Rob a écrit : Have you installed the linux-headers package that matches your linux-image version? Of course! Are you sure? Does aptitude show something similar? $ aptitude

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
Balint responded to me off list, and I went to the effort of reading his blog at http:/ewontfix.com. If he is a reverse troll (as I tried to paint him), he's put a lot of effort into building the troll. Several years, in fact. On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
Having just bought myself another doorstop (except that this one is too light even to stop a door) in the form of: http://www.amazon.co.uk/XstreamTec-MX-version-Internal-Included/dp/B00F0PZZIW I am doing what I should have done in the first place and asking for advice. I want to be able to

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
I have not done this, but these questions come to mind: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Having just bought myself another doorstop (except that this one is too light even to stop a door) in the form of:

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
One more thought -- On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Having just bought myself another doorstop (except that this one is too light even to stop a door) in the form of: http://www.amazon.co.uk/XstreamTec-MX-version-Internal-Included/dp/B00F0PZZIW [...]

Re: ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/07/2014 15:32, John Bleichert a écrit : On 07/05/2014 06:48 AM, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/07/2014 12:32, Rob a écrit : Have you installed the linux-headers package that matches your

Re: unable to upgrade kernel

2014-07-05 Thread Robert
El vie, 04-07-2014 a las 15:25 +0200, François Patte escribió: Bonjour, I don't understand the following: # apt-get install linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some

Re: Modifying gtk2 fonts SOLVED

2014-07-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 15:04:15 +0200 Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote: Steve Litt: Siard: But editing ~/.gtkrc-2.0 is indeed the easiest and most hassle-free way when not using Gnome. To set the default gtk2-font, add something like this: gtk-font-name = Liberation Sans

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Steve Litt
I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the same person that came on here before with all sorts of anti-systemd yelling, not to express an opinion, but to start trouble. If their belief is wrong, you were treated unfairly. If their opinion is right, you're an utter piece

apache 2.4.9 and libapache2-mod-perl2 on jessie/sid

2014-07-05 Thread John Bleichert
Hello All, Trying to use a spare Jessie/desktop box as a temporary mirror for some wheezy boxes (which all work like a charm). No matter what I do, perl scripts do not run, they just display in the browser as source code. Permissions, locations, etc. are all identical to the wheezy boxes and

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Joe
On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 15:06:04 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Having just bought myself another doorstop (except that this one is too light even to stop a door) in the form of: http://www.amazon.co.uk/XstreamTec-MX-version-Internal-Included/dp/B00F0PZZIW I am doing what I should

Re: ati radeon HD 8790M

2014-07-05 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/07/2014 11:37, François Patte a écrit : Bonjour, I tried to install this video card using dkms and fglrx debian module... It does not compile... I tried the amd proprietary module, it does not compile. No clue in log files

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the occasional glitch when a provider thoughtlessly changes his protocol. Not for me it doesn't. And I was told that

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:42:08 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the same person that came on here before with all sorts of anti-systemd yelling, not to express an opinion, but to start trouble. If their belief is wrong, you were

Re: Different behaviour handling NFS mounts after login

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: I don't think user is valid for nfs mounts. The user flag is usually for local media. In any case it isn't in the list for nfs mount options. Also neither is auto. Same with _netdev. Personally I am only using async and

Re: unable to upgrade kernel

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: Le 04/07/2014 16:12, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Friday 04 July 2014 14:42:47 Stephen Powell wrote: Since you are trying to install a 3.14 kernel from backports, I assume that you are running wheezy. You

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Joe
On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:51:32 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the occasional glitch when a provider

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense simultaneously? Why are you doing so from a Windows system if you're such a Linux traditionalist? On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 17:51:32 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the occasional glitch when a provider thoughtlessly

Re: Modifying gtk2 fonts SOLVED

2014-07-05 Thread Siard
Steve Litt wrote: I was using Sans 17 or something like that. A font I definitely had. 'Sans' is a generic font name, just like 'serif' and 'monospace'. It is an alias of some existing sans font, e.g. Deja Vu Sans. As far as I can see, this is done in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf (Accept deprecated

Re: How to make preseed.cfg available in no-internet install?

2014-07-05 Thread Kynn Jones
My apologies for this late reply. (I've been having difficulties with gmail SMTP.) On 07/04/2014 05:07 PM, Brian wrote: ...What I read him as saying he wants to do is to have the preseed file on a separate (writable) device, probably a USB stick, and have it be automatically accessed

Re: How to make preseed.cfg available in no-internet install?

2014-07-05 Thread Kynn Jones
Apologies once more, this time for the long lines. (Clearly, my email issues are not over.) I'm resending my earlier post with more reasonable line lengths... On 07/04/2014 05:07 PM, Brian wrote: ...What I read him as saying he wants to do is to have the preseed file on a separate

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Gary Dale
On 05/07/14 07:05 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 11:38:08 Balint wrote: I don't know, I've just wanted to notify people this approach is not the best. No, you didn't. People have been notified and notified and notified. You just wanted to start another flame war. If you

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 07/05/2014 07:05 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 11:38:08 Balint wrote: I don't know, I've just wanted to notify people this approach is not the best. No, you didn't. People have been notified and notified and notified. You just wanted to start another flame war. If you

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-05, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:42:08 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the same person that came on here before with all sorts of anti-systemd yelling, not to express an opinion, but to start

I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Steve Litt
First things first: I'm Steve Litt, using the same email address I've used since 1996. You may or may not believe me a troll, but you have to admit I'm not some guy coming around yet again with new email address, trying to fool everybody. Anyway, I don't think a dislike of systemd is, by

Re: How to make preseed.cfg available in no-internet install?

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:01:34 -0700, Kynn Jones wrote: On 07/04/2014 05:07 PM, Brian wrote: ...What I read him as saying he wants to do is to have the preseed file on a separate (writable) device, probably a USB stick, and have it be automatically accessed from the unchanging boot

Re: How to make preseed.cfg available in no-internet install?

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:27:15 -0700, Kynn Jones wrote: Apologies once more, this time for the long lines. (Clearly, my email issues are not over.) I'm resending my earlier post with more reasonable line lengths... Readjusted in a previous reply. No problem. You may have to attend to

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:16:09 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: That wasn't even a good rant on the part of the OP. Just a bunch of noise. :( Ric Yeah, you're right… So let's poke the flammes until next friday ;-) -- It usually takes more than three weeks to prepare a good

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 05/07/14 19:21, Curt wrote: I prefer an utter piece of shit to someone who is totally full of it. So, the OP has achieved his objective. Normally sane people are hurling insults at one another. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:25:57 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: My plan is to switch to systemd, see how I like it, and if I don't, install the old boot system, or if that can no longer be done, switch distros. I don't see systemd as the end of the world. *But*, I think a

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 18:21:53 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-07-05, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:42:08 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the same person that came on here before with all sorts of

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Erwan David
Le 05/07/2014 20:50, B a écrit : On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:25:57 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: My plan is to switch to systemd, see how I like it, and if I don't, install the old boot system, or if that can no longer be done, switch distros. I don't see systemd as the end

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 07/05/2014 02:40 PM, B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:16:09 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: That wasn't even a good rant on the part of the OP. Just a bunch of noise. :( Ric Yeah, you're right… So let's poke the flammes until next friday ;-) We do have a level of

[no subject]

2014-07-05 Thread Nelson Green
Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows installed on. I installed a second hard drive, installed Debian, and almost everything works. But I apparently told the installer that the system clock is set to

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 18:45:50 Brian wrote: On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 17:51:32 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Brian
On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 19:44:53 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 05/07/14 19:21, Curt wrote: I prefer an utter piece of shit to someone who is totally full of it. So, the OP has achieved his objective. Normally sane people are hurling insults at one another. Apropos nothing: Many

Re:

2014-07-05 Thread Erwan David
Le 05/07/2014 21:38, Nelson Green a écrit : Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows installed on. I installed a second hard drive, installed Debian, and almost everything works. But I apparently told

Re: Windows and UTC system time (was: no subject)

2014-07-05 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Saturday 05 July 2014 21.38:46 Nelson Green wrote: Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows installed on. I installed a second hard drive, installed Debian, and almost everything works. But I

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-05 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-05, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: So, the OP has achieved his objective. Normally sane people are hurling insults at one another. Apropos nothing: Many years ago I worked with someone (the boss) who was given to saying - If the cap fits, wear it. It made a deep impression

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-05 20:25 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: Anyway, I don't think a dislike of systemd is, by necessity, offtopic. Systemd is a substantial change, not only in the operating system, but in philosophy. Unix was built as a sort of Erector Set emphasizing a bunch of small parts that could be

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:09:52 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: I also think that the transition was far too fast : The testing fast, see wether it breaks anything should have been done *before* setting it the default. Not after. I agree, the transition was (suspiciously?) too early;

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Neal Murphy
On Saturday, July 05, 2014 03:09:52 PM Erwan David wrote: I also think that the transition was far too fast : The testing fast, see wether it breaks anything should have been done *before* setting it the default. Not after. A variant of the old corporate 'if it compiles, throw it over the wall

Re: Windows and UTC system time

2014-07-05 Thread Doug
On 07/05/2014 04:01 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 21.38:46 Nelson Green wrote: Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows installed on. I installed a second hard drive, installed

Chown Foibles

2014-07-05 Thread David Baron
Continuing to set up my new 64-bit install. Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.* For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home folders, everything. Actually, on the surface, this might seem correct behavior because of the '.' This is, of

Re: Chown Foibles

2014-07-05 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 23:56:47 +0300 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: Continuing to set up my new 64-bit install. Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.* For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home folders, everything. Actually, on

Re: Tell Debian to use local time?

2014-07-05 Thread Nelson Green
(Added inadvertently omitted subject) On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 05/07/2014 21:38, Nelson Green a écrit : Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows

Re: Chown Foibles

2014-07-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-05 22:56 +0200, David Baron wrote: Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.* For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home folders, everything. Actually, on the surface, this might seem correct behavior because of the '.' This

Re: Windows and UTC system time (was: no subject)

2014-07-05 Thread Nelson Green
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Thierry de Coulon tcou...@decoulon.ch wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 21.38:46 Nelson Green wrote: Good afternoon, This morning I had the mis-fortune of creating a dual-boot system with Debian on a machine that already had windows installed on. I

Re: Chown Foibles

2014-07-05 Thread Martin Read
On 05/07/14 21:56, David Baron wrote: Continuing to set up my new 64-bit install. Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.* For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home folders, everything. Actually, on the surface, this might seem correct

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 07/05/2014 03:39 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Loads of people have streaming Internet. It must be possible. And yes, once I hace a box that is adequate, I may need to do something with my network. Will XBMC do the job with your hardware?? If it will run, then running it as a dedicated

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 07/05/2014 03:09 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 05/07/2014 20:50, B a écrit : On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:25:57 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: My plan is to switch to systemd, see how I like it, and if I don't, install the old boot system, or if that can no longer be done,

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 22:32:25 Ric Moore wrote: On 07/05/2014 03:39 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Loads of people have streaming Internet. It must be possible. And yes, once I hace a box that is adequate, I may need to do something with my network. Will XBMC do the job with your hardware??

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 July 2014 19:25:57 Steve Litt wrote: Anyway, I don't think a dislike of systemd is, by necessity, offtopic. I don't think anyone said it was off-topic. Just that it has been done to death, and tends to inspire very heated feelings and much swearing. The OP was clearly trying to

Re: How to make preseed.cfg available in no-internet install?

2014-07-05 Thread Kynn Jones
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 05 Jul 2014 at 11:01:34 -0700, Kynn Jones wrote: I already know one way to do it (which I described in my first post), but it is laborious and error-prone. One extra step after booting d-i! .. Perhaps I should have

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Balint
On 05/07/2014 18:14, Tom H wrote: Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense simultaneously? because I use Debian and Fedora as well. Why are you doing so from a Windows system if you're such a Linux traditionalist? As I said, I'm not home and this box is not

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?) - I AM SORRY

2014-07-05 Thread Balint
Hello Everyone, I have to admin I use very bad language. I'm sorry, it wasn't appropriate. You are absolutely right. The links that I've shared, aren't mine. I've just found them. The only reason that I wanted to reach, make the system(s) better if we don't get rid of it. I didn't want

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 07/05/2014 05:45 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 22:32:25 Ric Moore wrote: On 07/05/2014 03:39 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Loads of people have streaming Internet. It must be possible. And yes, once I hace a box that is adequate, I may need to do something with my network. Will

Re: Windows and UTC system time (was: no subject)

2014-07-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Nelson Green wrote: Thanks Thierry, but I am afraid I have to leave the windows installation alone. Fortunately I rarely have to mess with windows, and as a general rule I don't lower my standards to theirs, but in this case I have no choice, at least until we can eliminate windows from the

Re: Chown Foibles

2014-07-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Sven Joachim wrote: David Baron wrote: Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.* Gack! :-( For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home folders, everything. Actually, on the surface, this might seem correct behavior because of the

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
2014/07/06 1:51 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com: On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the occasional glitch when a provider thoughtlessly changes his

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-05 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/05/2014 03:59 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-07-05 20:25 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: Now comes systemd, which, from what I've heard, is a further step away from the Unix Philosophy, in that it is more monolithic and exerts more control

Re: [SOLVED] Windows and UTC system time (was: no subject)

2014-07-05 Thread Nelson Green
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Nelson Green wrote: Thanks Thierry, but I am afraid I have to leave the windows installation alone. Fortunately I rarely have to mess with windows, and as a general rule I don't lower my standards to theirs, but in this

Re: [SOLVED] Windows and UTC system time (was: no subject)

2014-07-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Nelson Green wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: But... Read the man page for rcS and then edit /etc/adjtime and set LOCAL there. man rcS Boy do I feel dumb. I didn't even realize there was a man page for rcS. Thanks for pointing that out (I really did start with man). No worries. The fact

Re: Advice needed re TV internet media machine.

2014-07-05 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 05 July 2014 17:30:19 Joe wrote: Joel mentioned the Raspberry Pi, which is a very low-power [ARM] device, which does the UK catchup channels pretty well, apart from the occasional glitch when a provider

Sound stopped working after kernel upgrade from 3.2 to 3.14

2014-07-05 Thread Weydson Lima
I have just upgraded the kernel on my Debian box from 3.2 to 3.14 for the first time and I have no sound on X anymore. How can I troubleshoot this issue? I do see the snd_hda_intel module being loaded, but I don't know what else I can do to solve this. Thank you

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