Re: question about systemd

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:12:14 +0100 Brian sent: > > Just for kicks, I also purged cgmanager. I guess I like to live > > dangerously. Nothing bad seems to have happened. I must be living dangerously to, because I don't even have cgmanager installed? Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 32

Re: question about systemd

On 10/10/2014 07:53 PM, James Ensor wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> James Ensor writes: >>> My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has been >>> blown way out of proportion. >> >> The entanglement discussed here earlier had to do with the design o

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, lee wrote: > Well, who can afford that? Someone who can doesn't need to swap > drives. I've upgraded the drive capacity in machines on multiple occasions because drives have gotten cheaper... but we don't have enough funding to afford replacing the computers at the same time.

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

John Holland writes: > It's been a while since I dealt with lvm snapshots but they are > available as I guess block devices somehow, you might have to google to > find out how to get the exact path to the snapshot. When I put a snapshot onto a block device, it should be available just like the b

alternative file systems (was: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot)

John Holland writes: > I'm having very good results using their repo and DKMS system to build > support into kernel modules. It's very easy to set up. I'm using it > with Linux 3.2.0. Does it work with Debians 3.16 kernels? > The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of > the kernel per

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

Don Armstrong writes: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> Don Armstrong writes: >> > Doesn't matter. It just has to be a block device that you can add as >> > a physical volume to the volume group. >> >> Isn't a logical volume of a volume group "just" a block device? The >> VMs have their LVs a

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

John Holland writes: > You can copy with dd from the snapshot to another block device or a > file. That file can be on the same computer or you can get it to > another computer by using netcat, NFS, rsync etc. Well, yes, if I could make a snapshot in the first place ... -- Hallowed are the De

Re: question about systemd

I tell you what why don't you install Fedora the originator of this and try to remove systemd and install sysvinit or Upstart and then we will talk. Left Fedora for this very reason, lack of choice. On 10/10/14 07:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 15:31:35 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:

Re: question about systemd

On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 18:50:48 -0400, James Ensor wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Brian wrote: > > > Why install sysv-rc, sysvinit and sysvinit-utils? To change from systemd > > to sysvinit it is surely enough to do > > > > aptitude install sysvinit-core > > I did that because I

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Hasler wrote: > James Ensor writes: >> My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has been >> blown way out of proportion. > > The entanglement discussed here earlier had to do with the design of the > Systemd suite, not with dependencies. > --

Re: question about systemd

James Ensor writes: > My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has been > blown way out of proportion. The entanglement discussed here earlier had to do with the design of the Systemd suite, not with dependencies. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSU

Re: question about systemd

On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 15:31:35 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:16:23PM -0400, James Ensor wrote: > > Please reply to the list and not directly to me. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER ZOELLER > > wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > > > I'm sorry but I shouldn't ha

Re: question about systemd

> What about systemd's entanglement? From what I read here, once it's > installed there are certain programs that depend on it. Not true? No idea what you mean by that. Programs either depend on other programs or they don't. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > What about systemd's entanglement? From what I read here, once it's > installed there are certain programs that depend on it. Not true? > Some programs depend on systemd, but I'm not using any of them anymore, since they did not impact the

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Brian wrote: - snip - > > Anyway, that's enough of this advocacy lark, we will look at the > technical points you posted about. They are worth a look or two/ > > > looking to wade into any arguments about systemd. I certainly do not > > claim to have solved any

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:16:23PM -0400, James Ensor wrote: > Please reply to the list and not directly to me. > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER ZOELLER > wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I'm sorry but I shouldn't have to remove systemd but be given a choice as to > > which one I want at the

Re: question about systemd

Keith Peter writes: > Are you printing from your machine? Does WICD need wpasupplicant? Have > I misunderstood? Cups is not the only way to print. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscrib

Re: question about systemd

On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 21:00:41 +0200, Slavko wrote: [snip] > LANG=C aptpu libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0 > The following packages will be REMOVED: [Snip] > cups-daemon : Depends: libsystemd-daemon0 (>= 31) but it is not going to be > installed. If you are going to provide information

Installer does not detect ethernet card

Hi Tried to re-install Debian 7.6 wheezy from USB-Stick on a Lenovo ThinkPad T420. At the step 'Detect network hardware' pops up the message 'No Ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your Ethernet card, you can select it from the list'. This does not work either.

Re: question about systemd

On Thu 09 Oct 2014 at 17:44:20 -0400, James Ensor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > James, > > > > Please, please, *please* write down a detailed article on exactly > > how you did this. I'll help you if you'd like --- I write for a living, > > a lot of it tech w

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Keith Peter wrote: > > Hello James and all > > I found (when I tried a light system with sysvinit) that cups and > wpasupplicant needed a few systemd libraries. > > See > > http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/osd.html > > Are you printing from your machine? Does WICD need wpas

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

* On 2014 10 Oct 14:56 -0500, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 10:26 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: > >> > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. > > It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the > > list archive. Might be

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > All well and good but what happens when sysv* get purged from the repos? > When is this going to happen? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

On 09/27/2014 08:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 06:46:49PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/27/2014 05:34 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 9/27/14, softwatt wrote: I had a similar issue, and it turned out I was typing the password in the wrong language. If you use multiple l

Re: question about systemd

> > It seems to be simple, but have you tried it? > Yes, and it succeeded for me >> aptitude install sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils > > LANG=C dpkg -l sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/h

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

On 10/10/2014 10:26 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: >> > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. > It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the > list archive. Might be an issue with your MUA. Mutt seems smarter than the nor

Re: question about systemd

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 05:44:20PM -0400, James Ensor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:58:13 -0400 > > James Ensor wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I don't have a strong opinion about systemd one way or the other, but > > > even after all o

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

* On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the list archive. Might be an issue with your MUA. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds

Re: question about systemd

Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:22:06 -0400 James Ensor napísal: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor > > napísal: > > > >> I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the > >> decision of making sys

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

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Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

On 10/10/2014 10:10 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: >>> On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read thi

ZTE modem issue

Hi all I have a problem with my ZTE modem (ZTE MF823). The modem was supplied by BT business who refuse to provide support outside of their Windows/Mac program designed to manage the modem. The modem is detected as a USB device fine by wheezy. The network is not operated bt BT behind the scene

debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. B

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the n

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don

Re: question about systemd

* On 2014 10 Oct 08:39 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Nate Bargmann" > > > > I just went ahead and went back to sysvinit-core and in the process > > started purging packages in Aptitude! At the end policykit, packagekit, > > rtkit, and systemd were excised and a

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin

How to do this ?

I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons. Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted disk, 2) start other daemons (which depends on the encrypted disk). I know how to do this with policy-rc.d, how can I do this with systemd ? I know this list

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor > napísal: > >> I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the >> decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely point >> out that it is possible (and quit

systemd and initrd and /usr

Hans Ullrich: I do not understand the policy behind systemd. As far as I know, It > is historical in uinices, that each folder like /bin, /sbin, /var, > /usr etc. is residing on its own partition. This is from the time of > SCSI-drives (as you can have 16 drives on a controller). Both of those

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can acces

Re: question about systemd

On 10/10/2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor > napísal: > >> I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the >> decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely >> point out that it is possible (and quite ea

Re: question about systemd

The point I am making is that Linux is moving away from a modular system open to change, choice and reconfiguration to one where one person or small group of people decide to hard code something into the system. And this is being hard coded in my opinion since it forces it to be installed as a

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 11:30 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at > the > moment. I have two problems with that model. - I don't like reward systems, I prefer minimalistic discussion platforms without the fancy stuff - Threaded dis

Re: question about systemd

Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor napísal: > I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the > decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely point > out that it is possible (and quite easy) for a debian-user to remove > systemd. Please, don'

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 08:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > - as noted - stuff comes to you That's true in Usenet as well. The remaining points are valid for Usenet. Note however that none of them are valid for my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Francesco Ariis wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters ha

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon for them. Why are you g

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: > Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters have to say in this regard

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different > places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing > lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon > for them. Why are you guys treatin

Re: find out why a package was installed

- Original Message - > From: "Marius Gavrilescu" > Rob Owens writes: > > > Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? > > For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a > > dependency/recommends of package Y? > > aptitude why Thanks Marius and M

Re: question about systemd

Please reply to the list and not directly to me. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER ZOELLER wrote: > Hi: > > I'm sorry but I shouldn't have to remove systemd but be given a choice as to > which one I want at the time of the install just as I choose my file system, > my software, my networki

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt wrote: There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because a lot of forums h

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt wrote: > There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because a lot of forums have nothing for wee

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > You don't need to use a paid server. There are plenty of free ones > available. Personally, I use eternal-september.com. It's been pretty > solid for me and contains all of the newsgroups I want. No binary > newsgroups, but I can life with that. T

Business Proposal [Waiting Your Reply]

10/10/2014 | 3:57:46 PM Good day, I like to propose a legitimate business that would be of financial benefit to you. Are you interested? Regards, Peter Kremer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...

Re: question about systemd

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM, PETER ZOELLER wrote: > This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft that one > size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and modularity and > reconfigurability where a user or admin can choose that what suits him/her > and the type o

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 06:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org might > be a nice-to-have. Mozilla does this with their mailing lists. They have a readonly, "lonely" Usenet server at news.mozilla.org. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? However, both Usenet and this proposal are superior to mailing lists in all aspects. Feel free to correct me here. Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? signature.asc Description: OpenPG

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:01:15 +0300 softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: > > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > > You missed my point entirely. > > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > > > >

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:58:04 +0300 softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > > You missed my point entirely. > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > OK then... As long as it continues acting like a mai

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > You missed my point entirely. > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > I apologize. You only added some advantages to mailing lists. For so

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Steve Litt writes: > I'm on several forums. But invariably, as time goes on, I forget their > existence. The day's just too busy to walk around the web visiting > groups. And every forum has a different UI with an extremely primitive editor. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:16:33 +0300 softwatt wrote: > I have been contemplating the merits of mailing lists and comparing > them with those of forums, [snip] > If you're really impatient and prefer examples, head to the "usage > example" at the bottom of the mail and skip the rest. > > Advanta

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> I also read this >> mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) > > This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't > know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debi

Re: question about systemd

This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and modularity and reconfigurability where a user or admin can choose that what suits him/her and the type of system they want. You want sysvinit you use Debian or Sla

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Joe wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of date here, Microsoft announced

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I also read this > mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debian.* and read stuff, but that would require a -oft

Re: find out why a package was installed

On 10/10/14 14:28, Rob Owens wrote: Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? aptitude why package-x will show you exactly one reason why package-x is installed. --

Re: find out why a package was installed

Rob Owens writes: > Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? > For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a > dependency/recommends of package Y? aptitude why -- Marius Gavrilescu pgpikZUJbtMQu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: question about systemd

- Original Message - > From: "Nate Bargmann" > > I just went ahead and went back to sysvinit-core and in the process > started purging packages in Aptitude! At the end policykit, packagekit, > rtkit, and systemd were excised and a whole host of other stuff I > couldn't find a reason to ke

find out why a package was installed

Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? Thanks -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: Canon printers on wheezy (solved)

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Rob Hurle wrote: > I've just upgraded to wheezy and my Canon LBP 7200Cdn stopped working. I > used Radu Cotescu's script to try to reinstall it, but that failed and > messed up apt-get, as one of his debs tries to install an outdated > package. I've cracked the p

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 3:15 AM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >> Didn't you just describe Usenet? > > Hmm, I am not sure I have. > I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that > Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 4:04 AM, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 > Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> >> Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on >> various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - >> just point your newsreader at their server. > > You

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org > might be a nice-to-have. Meanwhile, everything is gated to gmane.org. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind the

a few basic questions about apt-build

Dear Debianists, I installed apt-build on a laptop (amd 64) (I am running Jessie amd64 installation). I am still learning about it. It asks you to choose the optimisation setting. I chose native. But I suspect that was not right. I then did apt-build install efl. and it found the source

Re: Update - Error Dialog

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 08:49:31AM -0400, Verde Denim wrote: > I've been seeing this dialog popping up (seems like at random) with > "Could not get updates" - Failed to process request. Selecting the 'More > details' dropdown shows 'Operation was cancelled'. I can close the > dialog, and there does

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at the moment. See for example . If you aren't familiar with the model, I'd do a bad job of summarizing it, so I won't try; but one facet is that it encourages good *questions* as well as answers. Ther

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on > various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - > just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of date here, Microsoft announced abo

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:32:12 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:00:59AM +0100, Joe wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:35:22 +1300 > > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote: > > > > Even fetchmail connects to the MTA on its own

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Didn't you just describe Usenet? Hmm, I am not sure I have. I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though. The main difference I found (quo