Re: Caja de MATE squatte Iceweasel

2014-12-02 Thread Raphaël RIGNIER
Le 30/11/2014 19:34, Alain Rpnpif a écrit : Bonjour, Quand je voulais ouvrir le dossier de téléchargements de Iceweasel, clic-droit sur le fichier téléchargé, c'était Thunar qui prenait la main comme souhaité. Depuis que j'ai installé MATE, c'est Caja (ex-Nautilus 2) qui prend la main malgré

Re: [HS] Serveurs de clé OpenPGP

2014-12-02 Thread Rhatay Sami
Hello, merci de ta réponse. J'ai envoyé ma clé sur SKS, ils synchronise encore avec d'autres, ce qui me paraît vachement plus pratique que d'envoyer à plein de serveurs différents qui ne communiquent pas entre eux. Le 01/12/2014 20:21, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit : Le 2014-12-01 13:41, Rhatay

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
J'ai compris ce qui se passe. L'installation sous wheezy se passe bien. Je boote et je reboote sans problème. Puis, je fais une migration à jessie (en suivant les instructions officielles), puis une série de aptitude upgrade jusqu'à ce tout soit à jour. Je tente de rebooter et mon boot n'est

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread andre_debian
On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:51:53 Pierre Couderc wrote: J'ai compris ce qui se passe. L'installation sous wheezy se passe bien. Je boote et je reboote sans problème. Puis, je fais une migration à jessie (en suivant les instructions officielles), puis une série de aptitude upgrade jusqu'à

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Mmm, je suis prêt à résinstaller wheezy et à recommencer si ça fait avancer le schmillblick... Pour l'instant je vais voir si je peux trouver le grub.cfg avec un rescue CD. Le 02/12/2014 18:24, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:51:53 Pierre Couderc wrote:

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Voici le grub.cfg tel qu'il est actuellement, après migration sous jessie Le 02/12/2014 18:24, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Tuesday 02 December 2014 17:51:53 Pierre Couderc wrote: J'ai compris ce qui se passe. L'installation sous wheezy se passe bien. Je boote et je reboote sans

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread Luc Novales
Bonjour, Le 02/12/2014 17:51, Pierre Couderc a écrit : J'ai compris ce qui se passe. L'installation sous wheezy se passe bien. Je boote et je reboote sans problème. Puis, je fais une migration à jessie (en suivant les instructions officielles), puis une série de aptitude upgrade Une

Re: Debian sur ACER Travelmate ne boote pas

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Merci, la réponse est que dans la doc officielle, il est écrit qu'il faut passer par wheezy pour installer sid... Je ne connaissais pas cet installer, je vais essayer mais je suis inquiet de prendre le risque que mon PC brutalement ne veuille pas démarrer un jour de mise à jour. J'essaye et

Debian LTS?

2014-12-02 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Bonjour, S'il y en a parmi vous qui roulent encore des serveurs/systèmes avec Debian 6, je vous invite à ajouter les dépôts Debian LTS: https://wiki.debian.org/fr/LTS/Using et si vous voulez soutenir cette fonctionalité, je vous invite à contribuer financièrement ici:

Re: Client léger : Boot en PXE montage / en NFS (read-only).

2014-12-02 Thread Vincent Farget
Bonsoir, Raph a écrit : Le 27/11/2014 16:16, Vincent Farget a écrit : Bonjour, Bonjour, En regardant sur le net, je suis tombé sur un article qui parle de aufs (basé, à priori, sur UnionFS). Cela parait être une solution à mon problème. Je vais y regarder de plus prêt. Je reviendrais

Re: Ada komunitas debian di jakarta?

2014-12-02 Thread Bayu Arendra
saya orang depok, kurang tau juga klo daerah jakarta ada komunitasnya atau gak... Am 01.12.2014 um 11:17 schrieb T. Surya Fajri: kebetulan saya mau ke Jakarta, apakah ada komunitas debian di Jakarta? -- Best Regard T. Surya Fajri http://www.diskurid.com Debian Indonesian Translator

Re: Ada komunitas debian di jakarta?

2014-12-02 Thread T. Surya Fajri
terima kasih infonya teman-teman 2014-12-02 19:16 GMT+07:00 Bayu Arendra bayuaren...@gmail.com: saya orang depok, kurang tau juga klo daerah jakarta ada komunitasnya atau gak... Am 01.12.2014 um 11:17 schrieb T. Surya Fajri: kebetulan saya mau ke Jakarta, apakah ada komunitas debian di

Re: Ada komunitas debian di jakarta?

2014-12-02 Thread Hasbinur
sebenernya bnyak yg pakai debian tp untuk komunitas lebih aktif komunitas keturunannya seperti ubuntu salam Hasbi On Dec 3, 2014 7:33 AM, T. Surya Fajri kile...@gmail.com wrote: terima kasih infonya teman-teman 2014-12-02 19:16 GMT+07:00 Bayu Arendra bayuaren...@gmail.com: saya orang

Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
Fuentes: http://forum.debianizzati.org/viewtopic.php?f=15t=49133start=225 Extraccion y traduccion desde: http://lamiradadelreplicante.com/2014/12/01/devuan-uno-de-los-creadores-del-fork-de-debian-da-su-vision-del-proyecto/ Aqui copio y pego las declaraciones de uno de los administradores de

Re: Sonido en jessie [SOLUCIONADO]

2014-12-02 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:22:59 -0300, JavierDebian escribió: El 26/11/14 a las 15:20, Camaleón escibió: (...) Si sucede eso (que es lo esperable) indica que algo está impidiendo al módulo de sonido de intel que se pueda cargar al iniciar el sistema por lo que no estaría de más que comprobaras

Re: Actualizar de Debian wheezy a Debian jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Camaleón
El 2014-12-01 a las 21:27 -0300, Gustavo Vega escribió: (reenvío a la lista, me llegó al privado) El 1 de diciembre de 2014, 11:27, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Ahora bien, al quitar los comentarios de Mozzilla (entre comillas porque no especifica que sean solamente de

Re: Debian se congela

2014-12-02 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:10:39 -0500, Germán Avendaño Ramírez escribió: El 01/12/14 a las 09:12, Camaleón escibió: No conozco r commander ¿qué hace exactamente esa aplicación y qué requisitos tiene en cuanto a hardware? Camaleón, R Commander es un frontend de R. GNU-R es una aplicación para

Re: Actualizar de Debian wheezy a Debian jessie

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
Pero al activar los repos de mozilla team para jessie (unstable y experimental), deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian unstable main deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian experimental main no solo actualiza los paquetes de mozilla (en mi caso iceweasel), sino actualiza 123 paquetes a unstable, tal cual

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:52:18 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: Fuentes: http://forum.debianizzati.org/viewtopic.php?f=15t=49133start=225 Extraccion y traduccion desde: http://lamiradadelreplicante.com/2014/12/01/devuan-uno-de-los-creadores-del-fork-de-debian-da-su-vision-del-proyecto/

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
El 02/12/14 a las 12:42, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:52:18 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: Fuentes: http://forum.debianizzati.org/viewtopic.php?f=15t=49133start=225 Extraccion y traduccion desde:

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:23:08 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 12:42, Camaleón escibió: (...) Aqui copio y pego las declaraciones de uno de los administradores de Devuan: (...) Entonces que cosas se cambian con respecto a Debian? Muchísimas. Se ha dicho que

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
El 02/12/14 a las 13:30, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:23:08 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 12:42, Camaleón escibió: (...) Aqui copio y pego las declaraciones de uno de los administradores de Devuan: (...) Entonces que cosas se cambian con respecto

Debian con OpenRC

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
procedimientos para instalar OpenRC en debian. Este resuelve las profundas dependencias que genera systemd en otros servicios mediante systemd-shim. Crei haber leido aqui alguna queja sobre usar systemd-shim... aparentemente no hay mas soluciones (sin considerar el fork Devuan)

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread Javier ArgentinaBBAR
El día 2 de diciembre de 2014, 13:46, unciegobailando unciegobaila...@mail.com escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 13:30, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:23:08 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 12:42, Camaleón escibió: (...) Aqui copio y pego las declaraciones de uno de

Re: Debian con OpenRC

2014-12-02 Thread Manolo Díaz
El martes, 2 dic 2014 a las 17:36 horas (UTC+1), unciegobailando escribió: procedimientos para instalar OpenRC en debian. Este resuelve las profundas dependencias que genera systemd en otros servicios mediante systemd-shim. systemd-shim se puede usar con cualquier sistema de inicio, incluido

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
El 02/12/14 a las 14:21, Javier ArgentinaBBAR escibió: El día 2 de diciembre de 2014, 13:46, unciegobailando unciegobaila...@mail.com escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 13:30, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:23:08 -0300, unciegobailando escribió: El 02/12/14 a las 12:42, Camaleón escibió:

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 03:03:26PM -0300, unciegobailando wrote: No resulta -asquerosamente- intrusivo que systemd se meta entre los pedidos de una aplicacion y d-bus? O sea que si falla systemd se me cuelga todo el escritorio gnome por ejemplo (y quizas parcialmente cualquier otro entorno)?

Re: Debian con OpenRC

2014-12-02 Thread Manolo Díaz
El martes, 2 dic 2014, a las 18:08 horas (UTC+1), Manolo Díaz escribió: Por otro lado, en el README.Debian de openrc (0.13.1-4, testing) se lee: This package is EXPERIMENTAL. Installing it could make your system UNBOOTABLE. Only use this package for testing purposes in a virtual

Re: Devuan y un poco mas de luz

2014-12-02 Thread unciegobailando
El 02/12/14 a las 19:13, Santiago Vila escibió: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 03:03:26PM -0300, unciegobailando wrote: No resulta -asquerosamente- intrusivo que systemd se meta entre los pedidos de una aplicacion y d-bus? O sea que si falla systemd se me cuelga todo el escritorio gnome por ejemplo

[OFF-TOPIC] GVT de 35MB

2014-12-02 Thread Henrique Fagundes
Colegas, Alguém do grupo possui GVT da velocidade de 35MB? Se sim, qual o modem que eles costumam enviar? Outra dúvida: Eles costuma bloquear portas baixas, do tipo: 80, 21, 22 e etc? Estou migrando de velocidade, passando para 35Megas e preciso de um modem que possua recursos avançados,

MIlennium lista 01

2014-12-02 Thread si.ber.sam
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Gnome 3

2014-12-02 Thread Yılmaz TÜfekçi
Merhaba,Bilgisayarıma Debian 'ın son sürümü 7.7 'yi yükledim. Ancak grafik ekran  donanımı yetersiz olduğundan gnome3 yüklenemedi mesajı çıktı. Masaüstü bilgisayarımın donanımı biraz eski .özellikleri Pentium E2180    2.0 Ghz ve RAM 2GB. Harici ekran kartım yok. Oyun da oynamıyorum. Acaba ilave

Re: Gnome 3

2014-12-02 Thread yoklar
Mate masaustu kullanmanizi oneririm On 02/12/2014 2:40 pm, Yılmaz TÜfekçi ytufek...@yahoo.com.tr wrote: Merhaba, Bilgisayarıma Debian 'ın son sürümü 7.7 'yi yükledim. Ancak grafik ekran donanımı yetersiz olduğundan gnome3 yüklenemedi mesajı çıktı. Masaüstü bilgisayarımın donanımı biraz eski

Re: Gnome 3

2014-12-02 Thread Baki Burak Öğün
Merhaba, Giris seviyesi harici ekran karti isinizi gorecektir. Original Message Subject: Gnome 3 From: Yılmaz TÜfekçi To: Debian CC: Merhaba, Bilgisayarıma Debian 'ın son sürümü 7.7 'yi yükledim. Ancak grafik ekran donanımı yetersiz olduğundan gnome3 yüklenemedi mesajı

Re: Gnome 3

2014-12-02 Thread Selçuk Mıynat
Selam, On 02-12-2014 14:37, Yılmaz TÜfekçi wrote: Merhaba, Bilgisayarıma Debian 'ın son sürümü 7.7 'yi yükledim. Ancak grafik ekran donanımı yetersiz olduğundan gnome3 yüklenemedi mesajı çıktı. Sorunun donanım yetersizliği olduğuna nasıl karar verdiniz? Masaüstü bilgisayarımın donanımı

Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread mad
Hi! I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few files. Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did not remove the old file and says that the file belongs to the package. What

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 02 December 2014 07:05:09 Patrick Bartek wrote: User's do contrain.  They even dictate.  Always have.  Developers should, if they are samrt, be developing what customers want or need. Not the other way around. That's the formula for going out of business. Listening to your customers

Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread maderios
Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ -- Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:45:12 -0500, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net a écrit : Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the default init more distros will follow suit, and more and more developers

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:49:15AM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:45:12 -0500, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net a écrit : Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-12-02 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 02/12/14 00:52, lee wrote: snipped WoW Whatever ... You should have snipped your own posts to begin with. Anyway, you didn't contribute anthing to what the OP said, and I don't find this part of the discussion worthwhile at all. Then why are you persisting with it? -- Tony van der

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: [snip] as

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 29 nov 14, 16:46:01, Richard Owlett wrote: Application 2: Extremely secure browsing and email for me on my personal machine. https://tails.boum.org/ I wasn't thinking in terms of personal privacy, but what I think of as system security. My *personal

Re: bind9 needs sometimes a restart after resume from suspend

2014-12-02 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 03:26:29PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: On Sunday 30 November 2014 11:59:16 Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:26:36PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Hi Pascal, On Sunday 30 November 2014 11:15:41 Pascal Hambourg wrote: Hello,

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 02.12.2014 08:05, Patrick Bartek a écrit : and more and more developers will start writing apps with systemd, or parts of it, as a dependency for the features it offers. It's their choice - likewise it's your choice *not* to write alternatives. It 'sounds' like you're proposing a

Re: XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.11.2014 15:32, Rusi Mody a écrit : However there are some issues: if the software-versions in these dont match up then its precisely these XDG files that tread on each others' toes across OSes. Well... if configuration files are not both upward and downward compatible between

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 30 November 2014 at 02:30, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 29 November 2014 at 08:17, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 11/28/14, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: snipped

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/02/2014 at 07:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: Depends on what 'you' call *default*. It implies a choice - as opposed to *mandatory*. You do have a choice, but ONLY after

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 23:53, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:18, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:36, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 12/02/2014 at 07:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: Depends on what 'you' call *default*. It implies a choice

Re: XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 27.11.2014 03:04, Serge a écrit : Later some people started to abuse those directories and put there files, that never supposed to be there. Those people don't really think about standards or unification. Usually they just enable displaying hidden files in their file manager, see a lot of

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.11.2014 22:26, Scott Ferguson a écrit : On 21/11/14 06:45, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Scott Ferguson a écrit : Might be worth fscking the disk first in case that's where the problem lies. Why ? fsck works on filesystems, not disks or partition tables. Good question - because I didn't

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-12-02 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
On 02/12/2014 20:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [cut] Also, what is EBR (or EPBR, which seems to be some sort of enhanced whatever may be a EBR)? Extended Boot Record on DOS disks ? Where information about extended partition is stored.

Re: Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, mad wrote: I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few files. Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did not remove the old file and says that the

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 04:47 AM, maderios wrote: Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ # More about the vision This is just a start, as bold as it sounds to call it fork, at a process that will unfold in time and involve more people, first to

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I presumed that amongst the lots of experts so opposed to the late-command option, at least one of them would apply Kenshi's patch (which apparently works) to d-i. Was my

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 02:34 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: Debian has kindled a big fire with this systemd crap. It’s time to jump ship before you only have ashes. Shade and sweet water! Stephan yes! Yes! RUNAWAY!! slaps helmet :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Märk Owen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:47:19 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote: It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me this way. # apt-get install upstart # apt-get install sysvinit-core # apt-get install openrc No

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Ron
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me this way. # apt-get install upstart # apt-get install sysvinit-core

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I presumed that amongst the lots of experts so opposed to the late-command option, at least one of them would apply Kenshi's patch (which apparently works) to

Re: bind9 needs sometimes a restart after resume from suspend

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: I wonder... What exactly does bind not responding mean? any command that reproduces that would be handy. As this is happening in relation to suspend/resume, this would imply that network interfaces go down and up too. So perhaps bind is failing to detect the

boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Hello I have a problem with jessie : my Acer Travelmate (P253) refuses to boot. I have used 2 methods : 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to jessie (following standard instructions) : I can boot no more 2- I have used net installer

Re: Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Don Armstrong wrote: mad wrote: I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few files. Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did not remove the old file and says

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me this

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:47:38PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: Another way to look at it is forward planning for the release after Jessie, when systemd may well become compulsory... Most would call that FUD. -- . o . o . o . . o o . . . o . . . o . o o o . o . o o . . o o o o

Getting a custom package into a new system early in the install process

2014-12-02 Thread Ross Boylan
I have a customized package, adduser, that I want to get into new VM's early in the wheezy installation process. In particular, it must happen before installing the debian basic system tools (DBST hereafter) recommended when the installer gets to task selection. The modified adduser tweaks the

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I presumed that amongst the lots of experts so opposed to the late-command option, at least one of

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I presumed that amongst the lots of experts so opposed to the late-command option, at

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Charlie
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:27:13 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to jessie (following standard instructions) This may not help at all because things may have changed in the last couple of months, but I'll give it a larrup. I don't know

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 18:37:04 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I presumed that

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 01:17, Charlie a écrit : Thank you very much ! On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:27:13 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to jessie (following standard instructions) This may not help at all because things may have changed in the

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:04:00 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: Save the file and the do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. When this is complete and everything is configured. I did that. But I had to repeat the upgrade operation many times until I get a clear system with no more packet

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 06:24, Charlie a écrit : On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:04:00 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: Save the file and the do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. When this is complete and everything is configured. I did that. But I had to repeat the upgrade operation many times until I get a

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Sent this to Pierre's private mail first. Sorry. Hi Pierre, you might want to dig further into this, as I can't see how a developer could fix the error you are experiencing without more information. Have you tried chrooting into the unbootable system from an install cd's rescue mode? Is

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 07:58, Simon Hollenbach a écrit : Sent this to Pierre's private mail first. Sorry. Hi Pierre, you might want to dig further into this, Mmm, what is my other choice ? W8 ? Ubuntu ? as I can't see how a developer could fix the error you are experiencing without more information.