Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip My cat is walking on my keyboard now, demanding attention. Best not to ignore him any longer. :) Can he program? Cats are smart creatures. Dogs have masters - cats have staff :) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia ..

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Legalidade do Windows XP

2015-04-13 Thread Leonardo
Penso e concordo Henrique que esta lista não é a apropriada para tal informação. On 13-04-2015 15:33, P. J. wrote: Mesmo o OFF-TOPIC no assunto , está bem distante do contexto da lista, não acho o local adequado para isso. Procure por locais que trabalhem com essa merda Em 13 de abril de

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of Debian users. IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 12:00:52 -0500, David Wright wrote: Floris kindly found a possible reference which also seemed to me to be a likely candidate (the OP hasn't confirmed or otherwise). I looked at it with a critical eye and found some errors and

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 13/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: snip Learning C is simple and fun. Just read classic KR treatise, do all the examples. Did so back in high school, and no brain

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 14:00:15 Petter Adsen wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: What, apart from using JavaScript (which I agree is not desirable), is problematic? No x button to close is shown to iceweasel. I even tried the upper right corner

Saber cuantas PC están conectadas al DHCP

2015-04-13 Thread Nicolas
Buenas, He estado investigando como saber cuantas PC están conectadas a mi servidor de DHCP y no conseguí nada (sera porque busque español, soy malo con el ingles :) ) Como no consegui nada en concreto probe con: wc -w dhcpd.leases | grep -i 'lease' y me origino un resultado que no confio en

Re: Le fichier .profile n'est pas exécuté

2015-04-13 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le lundi 13 avril 2015, 20:05:01 Alain Rpnpif a écrit : Bonsoir, ’soir, Sur ma Wheezy le fichier $HOME/.profile n'est plus exécuté depuis je ne sais combien de temps et seulement sous Xfce. D’abord, comment est-ce que tu sais/déduis qu’il n’est pas chargé ? Sous la console Linux, aucun

RE: Saber cuantas PC están conectadas al DHCP

2015-04-13 Thread Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez
Para saber las activas, (actualmente conectadas) usa netstat con filtros por el puerto. El que usaste es el comando que te indica las reservas actuales. FRANK HARBEY SANABRIA FLOREZTecnologo en Telecomunicaciones y Sistemas Bogota - Colombia@franksanabria sugeek.co Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015

Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?

2015-04-13 Thread fabianne balvedi
2015-04-12 15:23 GMT-03:00 Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, não tem mesmo, então eu fiz uma consulta por chat e consegui esta configuração aqui:

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday 13 April 2015 12:46:34 Bret Busby wrote: On 13/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip I do not know if this will solve your problem, but I found a manual for what I believe is your machine on

[OFF-TOPIC] Legalidade do Windows XP

2015-04-13 Thread Henrique Fagundes
Prezados Colegas, Saudações Pinguianas a todos. A título de curiosidade, ouve-se muito falar que ao fim do ciclo de suporte do Microsoft Windows XP, deixa de ser obrigatório o licenciamento desta versão. Com base nisso, como posso me precaver caso deseje utilizar esse sistema, de modo que,

Le fichier .profile n'est pas exécuté

2015-04-13 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Bonsoir, Sur ma Wheezy le fichier $HOME/.profile n'est plus exécuté depuis je ne sais combien de temps et seulement sous Xfce. Sous la console Linux, aucun problème. Si je le remplace par .bash_profile, c'est la même chose. Quel est le fichier qui devrait l'appeler ? Cordialement. -- Alain

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:28:57 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two _weeks_ to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. Where I live, a small place

Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
Hello all; ISTR Jessie was supposed to be stable as a debian 8 release on the 15th. Is that still the plan? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page

Fw: Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Linux-Fan
Sorry for not posting this to the list in the first place :( I just sent it again for the record. Linux-Fan Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:19:31 +0200 From: Linux-Fan ma_sys...@web.de To: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: Jessie= stable date? [Mon, 13 Apr 2015

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015, at 13:48, Gene Heskett wrote: I wonder if our sort utilities also do that file shrink? No. It is something the VFS (generic filesystem layer inside the kernel) or filesystem itself would have to do, due to atomicity requirements. Unrelated of course, but of all the

Debian 8 jessie long running sudo and X login

2015-04-13 Thread deloptes
Hi community, After upgrade to jessie I had one more strange experience. For some reason krb5-user was installed and I remember asking me about windows domain authentication. As I use this computer at work as well I said yes (there is domain which I could use to authenticate). However before I get

Re: Debian Kfreebsd

2015-04-13 Thread Grégory Reinbold
Welcome on FreeBSD! Grégory Reinbold On 04/08/2015 22:50, Tito wrote: Le 08/04/2015 22:02, maderios a écrit : On 04/08/2015 09:28 PM, Tito wrote: Bonsoir. Aimant le noyau BSD et les outils GNU, je pensais migrer sous Debian Kfreebsd. Cette version de Debian sera t'elle toujours maintenue

Re: L'écran tactile sous Linux

2015-04-13 Thread maderios
On 04/13/2015 07:49 PM, André wrote: On Monday 13 April 2015 08:49:13 you wrote: Le 12/04/2015 18:32, André a écrit : Comment installer le tactile sous Jessie ? Bonjour Comme d'habitude, la réponse existe déjà en de multiples exemplaires, ce qui prouve que cette liste peut servir à autre

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread James P. Wallen
On 04/13/2015 11:10 AM, Curt wrote: On 2015-04-13, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I think these are tools that They don't? Is that documented somewhere? Not that I can

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:12:51 -0500 David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it didn't work. Neither did

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Legalidade do Windows XP

2015-04-13 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato
Olá! Muito divergente mesmo, mas um simples procura no Google te diz que produtos da M$ descontinuados podem ser instalados, contudo deve-se utilizar o código de licença que já possui, pois não existe gratuito, nem haverá, nem tem como conseguir um novo código de licença pois está

Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?

2015-04-13 Thread Fred Maranhão
Em 13 de abril de 2015 00:00, Tiago Rocha tiago.ro...@openmailbox.org escreveu: On 12-04-2015 19:33, Fred Maranhão wrote: pois é. e eu não quero um computador que simplesmente funcione. eu quero um que funcione totalmente com software livre. sem drivers proprietários. coisa bem radical, na

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Legalidade do Windows XP

2015-04-13 Thread P. J.
Mesmo o OFF-TOPIC no assunto , está bem distante do contexto da lista, não acho o local adequado para isso. Procure por locais que trabalhem com essa merda Em 13 de abril de 2015 15:06, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br escreveu: Prezados Colegas, Saudações Pinguianas a todos. A

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip Yes, I know how FIFO works :) The reason that I explained what I meant by FIFO, is that now, in Australia, due to the nature of working in remote locations, where people live a thousand or so km from where they work (one of my brothers

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The question is, what is the nature of the understanding that you want of Linux? Is it the interaction between the layers, for example, the HAL and the higher

Re: [HS] L'écran tactile sous Linux = Recherches dans les archives de la liste :

2015-04-13 Thread Philippe Gras
Le 13 avr. 15 à 20:29, maderios a écrit : On 04/13/2015 07:49 PM, André wrote: On Monday 13 April 2015 08:49:13 you wrote: Le 12/04/2015 18:32, André a écrit : Comment installer le tactile sous Jessie ? Bonjour Comme d'habitude, la réponse existe déjà en de multiples exemplaires, ce qui

Re: WAS Re: debian 8 NOW game keyboard config

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:39:31PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 04/11/2015 04:31 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 16:00:11 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2015 03:05 PM, Reco wrote: dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration ric@iam:~$ sudo su - [sudo]

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
Sorry, this message was sent initially from a shared e-mail address. I'm using the correct address now. The primary owner of that addy is even older and grumpier than I am. Heh. On 04/13/2015 11:10 AM, Curt wrote: On 2015-04-13, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: IIRC apt-listbugs or

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-13, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: *ANSI* C - yes. For instance, gcc has this wonderful '-ansi' switch. It's even possible to choose the exact version of ANSI C standard (i.e. -std=c99). *KR* C - no. At least, gcc-4.7 has no switch for this that I'm aware of. -traditional ?

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, Bret Busby wrote: both were running Debian 7, as the last operating system, before the hardware crashes. Aha! There it is at last! The Smoking Gun! Grassy Knoll, anyone? nb. http://www.google.com/search?q=grassy%20knoll -- These are not the droids you are looking for.

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): Thanks! I didn't know that (I thought that the file system would automatically optimize directories when files are removed, so I've never looked closely at their size). Indeed: ypig:~/eftests ls -ld tmp drwxr-xr-x 2 vlefevre vlefevre 29655040

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:00:15 +0200 Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Is there not another service that is more friendly to the use its used for? Not that many that has Linux clients, unfortunately. I know of only

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:00:15 +0200 Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Is there not another service that is more friendly to the use its used for? Not that

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers (Yandex, Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux access relatively straightforward via something like davfs2. I must be

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 17:22:34 Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:16:40AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 14/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 13/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: snip

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 13 Apr 13:38 -0500, Petter Adsen wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The question is, what is the nature of the understanding that you want of Linux? Is it the interaction

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:12:51 -0500 David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: Have fun reading man find, though! petter@monster:~$ man tar | wc -l 540 petter@monster:~$ man find | wc -l 1572 :-) Mea culpa. But, in my defence, I think I used

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 13 April 2015 19:00:15 Petter Adsen wrote: I was honestly just trying to help the OP in a way that was easy for us both, and since my mother manages to download the files I put on Dropbox for her, I just assumed it would be an acceptable solution. It seemed to me to be a generous

Re: Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2015-04-13 20:22 +0200, Gene Heskett wrote: ISTR Jessie was supposed to be stable as a debian 8 release on the 15th. No, the only announce I noticed[1] mentions the 25th. Is that still the plan? I haven't heard otherwise. Cheers, Sven 1.

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:32:30PM +, Curt wrote: On 2015-04-13, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: *ANSI* C - yes. For instance, gcc has this wonderful '-ansi' switch. It's even possible to choose the exact version of ANSI C standard (i.e. -std=c99). *KR* C - no. At least,

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:16:40AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 14/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 13/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: snip Learning C is simple and fun. Just read classic KR

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:26:12 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: ... As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers (Yandex, Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux access relatively straightforward

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Vincent Lefevre wrote: Loïc Grenié wrote: Vincent Lefevre wrote: The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: something like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been reproducible for several months. The logs show nothing during this operation. Any idea?

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Let's see as I didn't have OS design in mind. Something like: Exit codes and their value in real life. Strings handling, memory allocation. Process control and daemonisation

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 17:41:33 David Wright wrote: Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers (Yandex, Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux access

Fwd: Memoria USN kingstone

2015-04-13 Thread JESUS0414 .
-- Mensaje enviado -- De: JESUS0414 . yeshua0...@gmail.com Fecha: 13 de abril de 2015, 12:29 p. m. Asunto: Re: Memoria USN kingstone Para: alexlikerock-Gmail alexliker...@gmail.com En primer lugar gracias a los que contestaron cordialmente, lamento la ortografía pero lo redacté

Jessie: No VGA signal after gdm3 login

2015-04-13 Thread Thomas H. George
Just returned from vacation, booted up. After gdm3 login screen goes blank, then No VGA Signal Installed xdm. Same result Ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade Repeated xdm login. Same result Before vacation login opened Gnome and I ran several programs with no problems. Even now consoles F1

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 16:08:44 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015, at 13:48, Gene Heskett wrote: I wonder if our sort utilities also do that file shrink? No. It is something the VFS (generic filesystem layer inside the kernel) or filesystem itself would have to do,

Re: Memoria USN kingstone

2015-04-13 Thread Eduardo Venegas Astete
Con esa misma utilidad para particionar discos haz lo siguiente: - Borra todas las particiones del pendrive. - Crea una tabla de particiones nueva del tipo msdos. - Crea una partición primaria del tipo fat32 que use por completo el pendrive. - Verifica si funciona en windows y ubuntu. Saludos

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/13/2015 02:00 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I just copied that link myself and opened it in Firefox. A sign in or log on box was displayed, which I closed without doing either (click on the X), and then got a page

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, David Wright wrote: [I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Patrick Bartek (nemomm...@gmail.com): On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: i'll second the use of openbox. i use it

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Seeker
On 4/13/2015 4:59 AM, Floris wrote: and I agree that the sentence You have to install all end-user applications later is incorrect. Even Iceweasel is a dependency of gnome-core. I didn't know that Mozilla is a part of gnome. Floris Epiphany is the Gnome web browser, apparently the Gnome

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Ric Moore (wayward4...@gmail.com): Gene, didja notice this running the command line ric@iam:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration [sudo] password for ric: update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults update-rc.d: warning:

Re: WAS Re: debian 8 NOW game keyboard config solved

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/12/2015 10:33 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 04/11/2015 04:31 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 16:00:11 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/11/2015 03:05 PM, Reco wrote: dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration ric@iam:~$ sudo su - [sudo] password for ric:

Re: L'écran tactile sous Linux

2015-04-13 Thread André
On Monday 13 April 2015 08:49:13 you wrote: Le 12/04/2015 18:32, André a écrit : Comment installer le tactile sous Jessie ? Bonjour, sous Jessie precisement je ne sais pas, mais en tous cas jusqu'a present c'etait un paquet xserver-xorg-input-evtouch (mais effectivement, il semble ne plus

Re: Jessie

2015-04-13 Thread Grégory Reinbold
'soir Si tu n'es pas bien sous GNOME Shell c'est compréhensible étant donné que tu es un habitué de Gnome2 et tu n'es pas seul. GNOME n'est plus Gnome2, c'est de l'histoire ancienne. Plus la même philo, plus le même esprit. GNOME Shell cible le PointClick à la mode Unity. Et ne suit pas la

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
On 04/13/2015 01:11 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of Debian users. IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 18:41:50 +0200 Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be wrote: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:15:42 +0200 Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no écrivait : hi Petter, I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of Debian users. IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I think these are tools that

Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?

2015-04-13 Thread Alessandro Bandeira Duarte
Uso Parabola. Funciona bem nesse hardware (nenhum driver proprietário. Kernel linux-libre: Konsole output Linux logica 3.19.3-gnu-3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 9 17:51:06 UYT 2015 i686 GNU/Linux) Konsole output 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev09)

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 13/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: snip Learning C is simple and fun. Just read classic KR treatise, do all the examples. Did so back in high school, and no brain was damaged in the process :) The only problem

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 12:50:08 Petter Adsen wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:29:48 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday 13 April 2015 08:07:40 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Sometimes it will also be necessary to remove the backup (RTC/CMOS) battery. In that case

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two _weeks_ to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. Where I live, a small place in Norway, the people I use will normally do things within a few hours. And it's

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it didn't work. Neither did '--exclude=~/.cache/*. I got it working by creating an empty file in ~/.cache and using the

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 12:00:52 -0500, David Wright wrote: Floris kindly found a possible reference which also seemed to me to be a likely candidate (the OP hasn't confirmed or otherwise). I looked at it with a critical eye and found some errors and ambiguities. However, I'm not a Gnome

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two _weeks_ to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. Where I live, a small place in Norway, the people I

Re: L'écran tactile sous Linux

2015-04-13 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Le 12/04/2015 18:32, André a écrit : Comment installer le tactile sous Jessie ? Bonjour, sous Jessie precisement je ne sais pas, mais en tous cas jusqu'a present c'etait un paquet xserver-xorg-input-evtouch (mais effectivement, il semble ne plus etre disponible). -- Bien cordialement,

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer laptop computer with an AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work. The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian 6, and with Ununtu 12.04

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread albcares
could I suggest *wicd*, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I must warn that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to chose. yours sincerely ac 2015-04-12 23:10 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz

RE: superblock last write time is in the future

2015-04-13 Thread Boiteux Frederic
Bonjour, Le problème a été décrit dans la dernière version du paquet initramfs-tools (regarde le 3ème point dans le fichier /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/NEWS.Debian.gz), je crois que cela vient de systemd, à confirmer, mais la solution de contournement (modif dans /etc/e2fsck.conf)

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-04-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer laptop computer with an AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work. The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread August Karlstrom
On 2015-04-13 07:20, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:55:54 -0700 Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window manager is the way to go. That's what I did. Installed

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it. I'd advise learning one language well, where well

Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?

2015-04-13 Thread Luiz Henrique Rauber Rodrigues
Em 13 de abril de 2015 00:00, Tiago Rocha tiago.ro...@openmailbox.org escreveu: A proposito eu gosto muito do trabalho que você faz no Debian. Você não tem ideia (ou talvez tenha;) de como é importante ter localização de software e documentação na hora de divulgar o Debian. +1 Sobre máquina

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Floris
Op Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:14:47 +0200 schreef David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: [I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com): According to documentations, gnome-core package is

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 23:52, Bret Busby wrote: What they told me, is that the problem was solved by removing the battery, for about 15 minutes, then reinstalling the battery, and that the cause is that sometimes, operating systems do not shutdown properly. Looks like the usual firmware

Re: LibreOffice et touches mortes

2015-04-13 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Bonjour, Le 12 avril 2015, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Donc j’irai plutôt voir du côté de chez LibreOffice eux-mêmes, s’ils ont des idées ou déjà des rapports de bogues… Je présume déjà leur réponse : Prenez une version plus récente. Je crois que la 4.2.7.2 n'est plus maintenue. Il reste

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 13 April 2015 08:13:43 albcares wrote: could I suggest *wicd*, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I must warn that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to chose. I was asking about

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 09:13:43AM +0200, albcares wrote: could I suggest wicd, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I must warn that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to chose. 

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 13 Apr 01:58 -0500, Petter Adsen wrote: Thanks for your advice, I think I should focus mainly on C for the time being, and try to improve on my shell scripting rather than worry about Python just yet. Then you have to wrestle with the question of POSIX shell versus Bash extensions.

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Rusi Mody
On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+5:30, Petter Adsen wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 David Christensen wrote: On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it.

reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do ypig:~/eftests ll tmp which corresponds to ls -bF --color -l tmp after alias expansion. The problem is that this

Re: apt stuck at Reading database

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
On 04/12/2015 10:46 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:50:40AM -0500, David Wright wrote: In that situation, my first course of action would be to hide anything but the essential sources.list contents of, basically, something like # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_

Re: [OT] grub: error: cant't find command linux

2015-04-13 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 12 Apr 2015 20:36:35 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió: El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 03:52:45PM +, Camaleón dijo: En cualquier caso, ¿dónde instalas GRUB, en el MBR o en la partición / boot/grub? En /boot/grub se instalan los módulos, la configuración menu.cfg y demás

Re: [OT] Re: Hola amigos

2015-04-13 Thread Cristian Mitchell
El 12 de abril de 2015, 9:39 a. m., Manolo Díazdiaz.man...@gmail.com escribió: El domingo, 12 abr 2015, a las 07:23 UTC+2 horas, alexlikerock-Gmail escribió: Lo que pides no lo puede hacer ni Google así que te han puesto alto el listón, vamos, que lo tienes difícil :-) eso es

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-04-13 16:15:42 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it didn't work. Neither did '--exclude=~/.cache/*. The ~ is not expended here: $ echo ~/foo ~/foo Try

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:55:54 -0700 Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window manager is the way to go. That's what I did.

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: I'd advise learning one language well, where well includes security best practices. Understand that learning any modern language takes a lot of time and effort.

Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it didn't work. Neither did '--exclude=~/.cache/*. I got it working by creating an empty file in ~/.cache and using the filename as an argument to --exclude-tag-under,

Re: [OT] Re: Hola amigos

2015-04-13 Thread Guido Ignacio
El día 13 de abril de 2015, 11:18, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió: El 12 de abril de 2015, 9:39 a. m., Manolo Díazdiaz.man...@gmail.com escribió: El domingo, 12 abr 2015, a las 07:23 UTC+2 horas, alexlikerock-Gmail escribió: Lo que pides no lo puede hacer ni Google

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Loïc Grenié
2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net: I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do ypig:~/eftests ll tmp which corresponds to ls

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-04-13 14:45:25 +0200, Loïc Grenié wrote: 2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net: The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: something like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been reproducible for several months. The logs show nothing

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 02:39:40PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do ypig:~/eftests ll tmp which corresponds to

Re: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no?

2015-04-13 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 12 Apr 2015 20:12:46 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió: El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 03:41:14PM +, Camaleón dijo: Lo que me escama es el mensaje, dice que no le puede asignar una IP determinada (192.168.255.105) no que no sea posible asignarle una cualquiera :-? Es

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Jean-Marc
Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:15:42 +0200 Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no écrivait : hi Petter, I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude=~/.cache, but it didn't work. Neither did '--exclude=~/.cache/*. Can you send the command you

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Floris
Op Mon, 13 Apr 2015 18:33:20 +0200 schreef Steve McIntyre 93...@debian.org: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Floris wrote: So the conclusion is that the information on wiki.debian.org/Gnome is unclear and sometimes incorrect. I've added debian-...@lists.debian.org. I understood

Re: [OT] Re: Hola amigos

2015-04-13 Thread Camaleón
El día 11 de abril de 2015, 17:19, Informático Leandro lre...@ipurr.sc.sc.rimed.cu escribió: (reenvío a la lista) El 2015-04-11 10:13, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 09:54:30 -0500, Informático Leandro escribió: Lo marco como OT por tratarse de una cuestión genérica. hola a todos

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip I do not know if this will solve your problem, but I found a manual for what I believe is your machine on Acer's website, and put it on my Dropbox account for you:

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