Am 2018-03-21 hackte terryc in die Tasten:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:00:16 +0100
> wrote:
>> To put that on stronger terms -- we'd end up with two and a half
>> gatekeepers for mail: Google, Hotmail (aka Microsoft) and... who
>> did I forget?
>
> yahoo for a starter, then there is that French mob O
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:53:13PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>
> > I fully empathize. Constantly and getting worse over time. I just
> > tried to write a three or four paragraph email to a raptor
> > rehabilitation list. One last proofread before sending found at least
> > f
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 20:02:55 (+), Brian wrote:
> On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 17:07:47 -0500, David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Fri 23 Feb 2018 at 16:18:29 (+), Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > With
> > >
> > > 127.0.1.1 gmail
> > >
> > > in /etc/hosts the conversation would go like this:
> > >
>
Rather a few items in this new release.
Karen
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On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 21:59 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Forest Dean Feighner wrote:
>
> > Right on! I used to have an email server in the 90's and even hand
> > wrote
> > the sendmail config file, lol.
> >
> > Shell account, of course, at the local ISP.
>
> and that's why you first topposted and se
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On 3/21/18 7:57 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
[...]
I'm a consumer not a provider, but I understood that "control
membership" was part of structure for a "moderated group".
Education cheerfully accepted ;}
Not really. Moderated mean
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 3/21/18 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> I'm a consumer not a provider, but I understood that "control
>> membership" was part of structure for a "moderated group".
>> Education cheerfully accepted ;}
>>
>>
> Not really. Moderated meant that posts were filt
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 16:21:44 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 02:53:47PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > HELO dotlessdomainname
> > HELO dotcontaining.home
> >
> > I want someone to explain to me why having a dot is better then not
> > having a dot in deciding w
On 3/21/18 5:15 PM, deloptes wrote:
But back to DMARC, it indeed works for the big players as smaller one can
not easily implement and get the ratings the bigger get, however I have
seen also smaller companies use their own mail servers and keep them up to
date and score pretty well.
the probl
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 16:41:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/21/2018 03:47 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 12:05:53 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
On 03/21/2018 04:51 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 03:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, t
On 22/03/18 09:21, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> One heuristic that is commonly used is to reject all messages where
> the HELO doesn't even syntactically qualify as a valid FQDN -- in other
> words, has no dot in it.
I often see this alluded to, but struggle to find evidence - why
shouldn't there be a p
On 3/21/18 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 03:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "socia
Richard Hector wrote:
> Where 'checked' was presumably the debilitate one :-)
true, sorry - even double checking fails sometime :D
On 03/21/2018 03:47 PM, Brian wrote:
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 12:05:53 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine
popping down to the local pub for a
Joe wrote:
> Indeed. Exim4 is fairly easy to configure either way.
yes indeed, it took me only one month to write all the rules required (with
irony)
On 22/03/18 09:53, deloptes wrote:
> The rule "check, double check and then proceed" - always payed off for me.
> Luckily most of simple typos are caught by the spell checked, so reading
> before sending is mostly meant to catch the semantic mistakes.
Where 'checked' was presumably the debilitate
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> My understanding: the SMTP receiver will use whatever heuristics it
> finds appropriate to avoid receiving spam.
>
> One heuristic that is commonly used is to reject all messages where
> the HELO doesn't even syntactically qualify as a valid FQDN -- in other
> words, has no
Forest Dean Feighner wrote:
> gmail...
>
> I have little to add.
next time try the "..." on the bottom of the reply message before writing
anything. it does wonder ;-)
regards
On 03/21/2018 03:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies.
Imag
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Now that Trump wants to execute drug dealers, why doesn't he go after
> the operators of these sites? They're just as addictive as opioids - or
> alcohol, or tobacco... wait, he should be going after them too!
there is first amendment - you can't do it and you can't censor
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> +100
>
> To put that on stronger terms -- we'd end up with two and a half
> gatekeepers for mail: Google, Hotmail (aka Microsoft) and... who
> did I forget?
>
> The same nightmare we have at the moment with the so-called "social"
> networks.
>
> They are already trying
gmail...
I have little to add.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 4:59 PM, deloptes wrote:
> Forest Dean Feighner wrote:
>
> > Right on! I used to have an email server in the 90's and even hand wrote
> > the sendmail config file, lol.
> >
> > Shell account, of course, at the local ISP.
>
> and that's wh
Forest Dean Feighner wrote:
> Right on! I used to have an email server in the 90's and even hand wrote
> the sendmail config file, lol.
>
> Shell account, of course, at the local ISP.
and that's why you first topposted and secondly contributed with very
meaningful content. :D
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:21:44 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 02:53:47PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > HELO dotlessdomainname
> > HELO dotcontaining.home
> >
> > I want someone to explain to me why having a dot is better then not
> > having a dot in deciding whet
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Then you need a second system, to test the upgrades on. If you don't
> keep one around at all times, then you could create one on the fly
> with debootstrap, rsync your current configs into it, and test the
> upgrade in there.
+1
I would never keep my mails on a system ad
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> I fully empathize. Constantly and getting worse over time. I just
> tried to write a three or four paragraph email to a raptor
> rehabilitation list. One last proofread before sending found at least
> four completely missing words. :D
The rule "check, double check and th
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 12:05:53 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> > On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> >
> > My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine
> > popping down to the local pub for a pint and a bit of
On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies.
Imagine popping down to the local pub for a pint an
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 02:53:47PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> HELO dotlessdomainname
> HELO dotcontaining.home
>
> I want someone to explain to me why having a dot is better then not
> having a dot in deciding whether a submitter is genuine. And
> without the politics.
My understand
On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 17:07:47 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Feb 2018 at 16:18:29 (+), Brian wrote:
> >
> > With
> >
> > 127.0.1.1 gmail
> >
> > in /etc/hosts the conversation would go like this:
> >
> > brian@desktop:~$ telnet bendel.debian.org 25
> > Trying 82.195.75.
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 09:50:15 (+1100), Ben Finney wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > I don't understand why a home user would not be using a smarthost.
> > Perhaps we're talking about a different group of people. Why would a
> > home user want to relay mail rather than submit it to a smarthost?
Pétùr writes:
> Hi,
>
> I had a bad upgrade on my debian sid.
>
> It seems both libgstreamer-gl1.0-0:amd64 and
> libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 are trying to write the file
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstgl-1.0.so.0.
>
> Any idea to fix it?
>
> Pétùr
>
> # apt upgrade
> Reading package li
On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 21:29:49 (-0400), Dan Norton wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:35:48 -0500
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 18:41:55 (-0400), Dan Norton wrote:
> > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:42:24 -0500
> > > David Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 13:47:42
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 16:34:13 +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 21/03/18 12:07, Brian wrote:
>
> [re inability to connect to remote SMTP servers]
>
> > You are in an unfortunate position of being deprived of the freedom to
> > decide how to deal with your own communications.
>
> [snip]
>
> >
On 2018-03-21 at 12:04, Josh W. wrote:
> I have a x86_64 archetecture on my Debian Stretch system... I am trying to
> play a i386 pc game but when i try to install wine32 in the terminal i get
> the following message.
>
> josh@debian:/var/lib/dpkg$ sudo apt-get install wine32
> Reading package li
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 11:16:04 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:56:09AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > If you unpack the package somewhere, either using ar etc or,
> > more easily, by selecting it in mc and copying CONTENTS into,
> > say, /tmp
>
> Or "dpkg -x".
Noted. On
On Wednesday 21 March 2018 12:32:56 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> >> On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies.
> >> Imagine poppi
On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine
popping down to the local pub for a pint and a bit of conversation,
only to find that i
I have a x86_64 archetecture on my Debian Stretch system... I am trying to
play a i386 pc game but when i try to install wine32 in the terminal i get
the following message.
josh@debian:/var/lib/dpkg$ sudo apt-get install wine32
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state i
On 2018-02-23 12:54, Dan Purgert wrote:
David Wright wrote:
On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 18:39:02 (+), Brian wrote:
[...]
alum is the canonical_hostname. It is used by exim to HELO with. Many
mail servers will not accept mail directly from you because it is not
a
FQDN.
This is why I wrote "bro
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 04:46:16PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> Its pretty painful to resolve config file conflicts in (lets say)
> dovecot at upgrade time, putting EMail access for +200 users at risk.
> I have to check in advance. Resolving config file conflicts during
> the upgrade is too late.
On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine
popping down to the local pub for a pint and a bit of conversation,
only to find that it's part of a huge chain run by a transnational
PS: Please note that there are 2 "branches" of config
file we work with:
- the "orig" config files included in the *.deb file
- the local config files active on the server
Both branches might change over time, so manually backing
up a config file to *.orig at first time modification
doesn't real
On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:50:15AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
David Wright writes:
I don't understand why a home user would not be using a smarthost.
[...]
First, note that even if you don't know the reason why someone would
want to run their
On 03/21/18 12:44, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2018-03-21 at 04:13, Harald Dunkel wrote:
So... are you entirely sure that you even need to check it *before*
initiating the upgrade? The mid-upgrade prompt might be enough.
Yes, I am sure.
Its pretty painful to resolve config file conflicts in (let
On 3/21/18, Curt wrote:
> On 2018-03-21, Curt wrote:
>>
>> So with apt you can presumably do something like:
>>
>> apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" -dist-upgrade
>>
>> (Which would preserve the user-modified conffile with prompting.)
>
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:56:09AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 09:13:43 (+0100), Harald Dunkel wrote:
> > How can I view the diffs between my local modified config file
> > (maybe modified 2 years ago) and the maintainer's config
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:56:09AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> If you unpack the package somewhere, either using ar etc or,
> more easily, by selecting it in mc and copying CONTENTS into,
> say, /tmp
Or "dpkg -x".
> $ for j in $(dpkg -L packagename) ; do [ -f $j ] && diff -u $j
> /tmp/CONTENTS/
On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 09:13:43 (+0100), Harald Dunkel wrote:
> How can I view the diffs between my local modified config file
> (maybe modified 2 years ago) and the maintainer's config file
> included in the currently installed package or in a pending
> package upgrade? I would like to review my di
Hi,
Hope all is well!
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Below, I've included a few examples:
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On 2018-03-21, Curt wrote:
>
> So with apt you can presumably do something like:
>
> apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" -dist-upgrade
>
> (Which would preserve the user-modified conffile with prompting.)
On 2018-03-21, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>=20
>> How can I view the diffs between my local modified config file (maybe
>> modified 2 years ago) and the maintainer's config file included in
>> the currently installed package or in a pending package upgrade? I
>> would like to review my di
Yes, that is how I do it, too.
First of all, all edited config files by me are copied to *.orig .
Doing so, I know, that these are the one of the package).
After I edited them, I copy the edited file to *.backup
Doing so, I know, these are the last edited files.
It happens, that I test some co
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 07:44:35 AM The Wanderer wrote:
> In my experience, when (what I think Debian officially calls) a conffile
> has been locally modified, the upgrade process (by default) halts and
> presents a prompt asking the user what to do; the options include "show
> a diff of the c
On 2018-03-21 at 04:13, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> How can I view the diffs between my local modified config file (maybe
> modified 2 years ago) and the maintainer's config file included in
> the currently installed package or in a pending package upgrade? I
> would like to review my di
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:00:16 +0100
wrote:
> To put that on stronger terms -- we'd end up with two and a half
> gatekeepers for mail: Google, Hotmail (aka Microsoft) and... who
> did I forget?
yahoo for a starter, then there is that French mob OVH and the NL mob
>
> The same nightmare we hav
Hi folks,
How can I view the diffs between my local modified config file
(maybe modified 2 years ago) and the maintainer's config file
included in the currently installed package or in a pending
package upgrade? I would like to review my diffs, before running
"apt upgrade".
I am a big fan of etc
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:50:15AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > I don't understand why a home user would not be using a smarthost.
[...]
> First, note that even if you don't know the reason why someone would
> want to run t
Hi,
I had a bad upgrade on my debian sid.
It seems both libgstreamer-gl1.0-0:amd64 and
libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 are trying to write the file
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstgl-1.0.so.0.
Any idea to fix it?
Pétùr
# apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Re
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:18:55 +
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>On Tue 20 Mar 2018 at 20:54:47 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> Who is still offering pop3?
>Gmail and gmx and probably lots of others.
Most others, I suspect.
I won't use IMAP at all.
--
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