Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread deloptes
John Hasler wrote: > All clocks tick.  "Tick" no longer means "emit a noise once per second" > in modern chronometry. +1 The clock frequency is produced by oscillator at 32.768kHz which means that 15 flops at this frequency produce 1sec. This is one tick.

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-12 at 23:20, John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> Wherever you need to specify midnight in a form where specifying any >> other time would get the "AM"/"PM"/"M"(eridiem) abbreviation. > >> To have a two-letter abbreviation for midnight but a one-letter one >> for noon might

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > Wherever you need to specify midnight in a form where specifying any > other time would get the "AM"/"PM"/"M"(eridiem) abbreviation. > To have a two-letter abbreviation for midnight but a one-letter one > for noon might be acceptable, although it would feel lopsided to me,

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread John Hasler
David Wright writes: > Odd that they decided to employ that logic in the 21st century after > (most) clocks had ceased to tick. All clocks tick. "Tick" no longer means "emit a noise once per second" in modern chronometry. > But it is remarkable to use logic to prove a contradiction... What

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-12 at 21:49, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 12:42:01 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2019-09-12 at 12:03, David Wright wrote: >>> It might be ambiguous if m were also an abbreviation for midnight, >>> which I've never come across. >> >> Neither have I, but I also

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 14:13:19 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > rhkramer writes: > > If 12:01 pm is two minutes after 11:59 am, then 12:00 is AM. > > AM means "before the meridian", that is, before the Sun crosses the > meridian[1]. PM means after the meridian. Time is the ordering of > events.

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 12:42:01 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-09-12 at 12:03, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 09:42:03 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2019-09-12 at 06:30, Dan Ritter wrote: > > >>> There is only one sensible interpretation: > >>> > >>> If 11:59 AM is

Problème majeur avec Buster 10.1 sur KDE. Gel avec Dolphin en root

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Vézina
J'ai eu le problème en ouvrant un Dolphin en root (dans la configuration du menus KDE dans Avancé, Exécuter en tant qu’utilisateur différent, avec root). Lors du démarrage, je saisie le mot de passe root (je ne veux pas activer le sudo) et la fenêtre "kdesu" du mot de passe gel. Ça fonctionnait

Re: apt-offline

2019-09-12 Thread Alexandre Rossi
Hi, > > I see that apt-offline is not part of buster. Is there any plan to add it? > > Only the maintainer would know about that. It is unlikely he reads this > list. https://bugs.debian.org/871656 is what keeps apt-offline out of testing and thus stable. Alex

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread deloptes
David wrote: > I didn't bother with the heatsinks that came with it. I just wanted a > fan and some ventilation instead of a sealed little plastic oven. Yes, a similar was ordered and arrived as well. I tend to plan all of this in my head and usually it works so well, that I do not have to run

Re: apt-offline

2019-09-12 Thread Brian
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 13:36:35 -0400, Paul Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > I see that apt-offline is not part of buster. Is there any plan to add it? Only the maintainer would know about that. It is unlikely he reads this list. -- Brian.

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > If 12:01 pm is two minutes after 11:59 am, then 12:00 is AM. AM means "before the meridian", that is, before the Sun crosses the meridian[1]. PM means after the meridian. Time is the ordering of events. The Sun crossing the meridian is an event which we call noon: everything

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread Thomas D Dial
On Tue, 2019-09-10 at 07:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 09 September 2019 23:06:27 Thomas D Dial wrote: > > > On Mon, 2019-09-09 at 12:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: (unrelated material omitted) > > > $PITA problem, raspian insists the first, usr 1000 is > > > "pi". Is there a

apt-offline

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Thomas
Hello, I see that apt-offline is not part of buster. Is there any plan to add it? thanks, Paul

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-12 at 12:03, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 09:42:03 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2019-09-12 at 06:30, Dan Ritter wrote: >>> There is only one sensible interpretation: >>> >>> If 11:59 AM is two minutes before 12:01 PM, then 12:00 is PM. >>> >>> If 11:59 PM is

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, September 12, 2019 08:26:23 AM Nate Bargmann wrote: > Not all Walmarts are like that. ;-) > > The one in Beatrice, NE is as you describe, at least the north most > entrance. The ones in Marysviile, KS and Fairbury, NE are "normal", > i.e. ingress on the right when outside the store

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, September 12, 2019 08:09:18 AM Michael Stone wrote: > The railroads solved this more than a century ago: you just never use > 12:00 and stick with 11:59 or 12:01. Sometimes communicating clearly is > more important than being right. I like that (but getting everyone to adhere to that

Re: Quels packages pour logguer le NAT ?

2019-09-12 Thread Olivier
Le jeu. 12 sept. 2019 à 15:28, hamster a écrit : > > Je vais sans doute répondre a ta demande, mais pourquoi du NAT ? Il est > beaucoup plus simple d'attribuer directement une adresse publique fixe a > chaque poste. Bien sur c'est difficile a faire en IPv4 par manque > d'adresses, mais si tu le

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 09:42:03 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-09-12 at 06:30, Dan Ritter wrote: > > David Wright wrote: > >> > >> What surprised me is the use of 12am and 12pm in the States. When I > >> was at grammar school (in the days of 12hour times), you lost marks > >> for writing

Re: Quels packages pour logguer le NAT ?

2019-09-12 Thread Olivier
Le jeu. 12 sept. 2019 à 17:35, Frédéric MASSOT < frede...@juliana-multimedia.com> a écrit : > > > Si tu as un fichier de règles iptables, tu peux utiliser la cible "-j > LOG" ainsi que les options "--log-level" et "--log-prefix". > > Avec une règle: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j LOG

Re: Quels packages pour logguer le NAT ?

2019-09-12 Thread Frédéric MASSOT
Le 12/09/2019 à 15:18, Olivier a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J'ai une machine sous Stretch qui fait office de routeur sur un réseau > local. > Elle implémente une fonction NAT avec une centaine d'utilisateurs sur le > réseau local et un trafic de l'ordre de 200Mb/s (j'ai du mal à évaluer > le nombre

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Re: GIMP crashed with a fatal error: fatal error: Violación de segmento

2019-09-12 Thread Paynalton
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Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 13:48:07 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2019-09-12, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 07:31:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> Even more astonishing is the fact that the US Government switched > >> their am/pm meanings sometime between 2000 and 2008, which shows

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 01:48:07PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-09-12, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 07:31:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> Even more astonishing is the fact that the US Government switched > >> their am/pm meanings sometime between 2000 and 2008, which

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-12, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 07:31:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: >> Even more astonishing is the fact that the US Government switched >> their am/pm meanings sometime between 2000 and 2008, which shows >> just how ambiguous they are. > > [citation needed] > >

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 09:42:03AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: I take a slightly different approach, based on the apparent actual meanings of the words for which "AM" and "PM are abbreviations. It seems intuitively obvious to me that between 11:59 Ante-Meridiem and 12:01 Post-Meridiem must lie

24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-12 at 06:30, Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: >> >> What surprised me is the use of 12am and 12pm in the States. When I >> was at grammar school (in the days of 12hour times), you lost marks >> for writing either of these contradictions. It was either 12 noon, >> 12 midnight,

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 06:30:21 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > What surprised me is the use of 12am and 12pm in the States. When > > I was at grammar school (in the days of 12hour times), you lost > > marks for writing either of these contradictions. It was either > > 12

Re: Quels packages pour logguer le NAT ?

2019-09-12 Thread hamster
Le 12/09/2019 à 15:18, Olivier a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J'ai une machine sous Stretch qui fait office de routeur sur un réseau > local. > Elle implémente une fonction NAT avec une centaine d'utilisateurs sur > le réseau local et un trafic de l'ordre de 200Mb/s (j'ai du mal à > évaluer le nombre de

Re: conseils généraux -pour un vieux geek- pour tablette Android & Debian

2019-09-12 Thread Romain Gobert
L'app UserLAnd devrait vous plaire : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula On 11/09/2019 20:35, Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Utiliser le plus possible ma tablette comme j'utilise mon PC Linux. La ligne de commande est mon interface préférée.

Quels packages pour logguer le NAT ?

2019-09-12 Thread Olivier
Bonjour, J'ai une machine sous Stretch qui fait office de routeur sur un réseau local. Elle implémente une fonction NAT avec une centaine d'utilisateurs sur le réseau local et un trafic de l'ordre de 200Mb/s (j'ai du mal à évaluer le nombre de paquets par seconde) voire d'avantage. Je souhaite

Re: Display resolution 3840x2160@24rb stopped working after Upgrade from Stretch to Buster

2019-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 06:23:04 (+), Jan Michael Greiner wrote: > On Monday, September 9, 2019, 1:55:06 PM GMT+2, Charles Curley wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:20:37+ (UTC) Jan Michael Greiner wrote: > >> With Debian Stretch (9.8) I had the display running with 3840x2160 > >> resolution

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 07:31:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > Even more astonishing is the fact that the US Government switched > their am/pm meanings sometime between 2000 and 2008, which shows > just how ambiguous they are. [citation needed]

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 September 2019 08:16:57 David wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 16:14, deloptes wrote: > > My RPI4 arrived as well - need to pick up also power supply and > > cables, which arrived too. Excited to see how it performs. > > I have one of the official cases as well but after setting

Re: conseils généraux -pour un vieux geek- pour tablette Android & Debian

2019-09-12 Thread didier . gaumet
Le mercredi 11 septembre 2019 20:40:02 UTC+2, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : [...] > Je rêve de pouvoir faire sur ma tablette ce que je sais faire > avec aisance sur un ordinateur portable Linuxien: > > Compiler un GCC récent pour ma tablette (peut-être en > "canadian

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2019 12 Sep 06:16 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Now I consider establishments like Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Walmart, and others > to > be foreign infiltrators, as, when they have an In and an Out door side by > side, > the In is on the left. (Ok, Walmart is only a halfway foreign

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread David
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 16:14, deloptes wrote: > My RPI4 arrived as well - need to pick up also power supply and cables, > which arrived too. Excited to see how it performs. I have one of the official cases as well but after setting eyes on it I never even bothered to try it, due to the thermal

Re: Linux Journal epub files

2019-09-12 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2019 11 Sep 11:28 -0500, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 07:15:16AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I did manage to grab all of the available PDF files and then grabbed > > everything in HTML for good measure in my personal archive. I could > > pass along the needed PDF

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 06:30:21AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: David Wright wrote: What surprised me is the use of 12am and 12pm in the States. When I was at grammar school (in the days of 12hour times), you lost marks for writing either of these contradictions. It was either 12 noon, 12

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-12, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > But, ok, I'll try to burn that into my memory -- at night (when it is dark) > 12:00 (midnight) is the beginning of morning (12:00 am). During the day, > when > it is light 12:00 (noon) is the beginning of night (12:00 pm). > >> If 11:59 PM is two

Re: Trapped in Gnome

2019-09-12 Thread songbird
Thomas George wrote: > At login after booting up there is a symbol like a gear below the > password entry line. I moved the mouse and clicked on this symbol. > Several options appeared and I decided to try Classic Gnome. This worked > but the next time I booted up the mouse was frozen. The

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, September 12, 2019 06:30:21 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > Even more astonishing is the fact that the US Government switched > > their am/pm meanings sometime between 2000 and 2008, which shows > > just how ambiguous they are. Wow! I believe that, I just didn't

Re: Display resolution 3840x2160@24rb stopped working after Upgrade from Stretch to Buster

2019-09-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Jan Michael Greiner wrote: > Dear all, > > My laptop: Lenovo E520 > Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 3000 (kernel module i915) > > External display AOC U2879VF, 28 inch, connected by HDMI cable > > With Debian Stretch (9.8) I had the display running with 3840x2160 resolution > at 24Hz reduced

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-12 Thread Dan Ritter
David Wright wrote: > > What surprised me is the use of 12am and 12pm in the States. When > I was at grammar school (in the days of 12hour times), you lost > marks for writing either of these contradictions. It was either > 12 noon, 12 midnight, or 12 o'clock (where there's no ambiguity). 12

Re: Gnu sieve vs Dovecot sieve-filter - sieve-filter extremely slow at lda (writing emails to local mbox files)

2019-09-12 Thread elvis
mail/sieve-dovecot-config.conf -o mail_location=mbox:/home/zen/mail:INBOX=/home/zen/mail/Inbox:INDEX=:UTF-8:VOLATILEDIR=/tmp/dovecot-volatile/%2.256Nu/%u:SUBSCRIPTIONS=dovecot_subscriptions /home/zen/etc/email/sieve.rc email-incoming-unsorted # PS0 Timestamp: 20190912@07:02:23 info: filtering: [

Re: Display resolution 3840x2160@24rb stopped working after Upgrade from Stretch to Buster

2019-09-12 Thread Torben Schou Jensen
Hi I have a kind of same problem. A monitor able of displaying at 1920x1080. Intel HD Graphics 620 with driver i915/modesetting. With old Stable (kernel 4.9.0-9) it was working fine. With new Stable (kernel 4.19.0-6) it set max display 1024x768. See

AW: Re: PRoblems uninstalling nvidia

2019-09-12 Thread 01793666059
The installer "NVidia-something-bla*.run" can be started with the --uninstall tag. Have fun Hans Am Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:10:58 +0200, Dominique Dumont schrieb: On Thursday, 12 September 2019 04:44:50 CEST Carlos Kosloff wrote: > Probem is I cannot uninstall old version because dpkg

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 September 2019 02:14:06 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPiImages > >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/ > > > > Potential timeline? > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > My RPI4 arrived as well - need to pick up also

Re: PRoblems uninstalling nvidia

2019-09-12 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 04:44:50 CEST Carlos Kosloff wrote: > Probem is I cannot uninstall old version because dpkg halts: > > Welcome to the NVIDIA Software Installer for Unix/Linux uh, no. That's not dpkg, it Nvidia's own installer. You should ask this question on nvidia user forum.

Re: Trapped in Gnome

2019-09-12 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 9/11/19 8:41 AM, Thomas George wrote: At login after booting up there is a symbol like a gear below the password entry line. I moved the mouse and clicked on this symbol. Several options appeared and I decided to try Classic Gnome. This worked but the next time I booted up the mouse was

AW: PRoblems uninstalling nvidia

2019-09-12 Thread 01793666059
What is alsways helping me was apt-get --purge remove `nvidia-*` or alternatively aptitude purge ~nnvidia-* (not a typo, it is ~nnvidia-*) Hope this helps. Good luck! Best Hans Am Wed, 11 Sep 2019 22:44:50 -0400, Carlos Kosloff papim...@gmail.com schrieb: Hello list,

Re: Display resolution 3840x2160@24rb stopped working after Upgrade from Stretch to Buster

2019-09-12 Thread Jan Michael Greiner
Dear Charles, On Monday, September 9, 2019, 1:55:06 PM GMT+2, Charles Curley wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:20:37+ (UTC) Jan Michael Greiner wrote: >> With Debian Stretch (9.8) I had the display running with 3840x2160 >> resolution at 24Hz reduced blank. >> [What worked with Debian

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-12 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: >> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPiImages >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/ > > Potential timeline? > > Cheers, Gene Heskett My RPI4 arrived as well - need to pick up also power supply and cables, which arrived too. Excited to see how it