Re: Virtualize a Debian system within Manjaro

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 02 iun 20, 11:14:25, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > There is an office where the standard desktop OS is Manjaro (a > clone of Arch Linux). There is not much choice actually. > > I don't very much like Manjaro's packaging system and its lack of many > essential packages in

Re: Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 01 iun 20, 20:33:28, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > 1 juin 2020 à 20:03 de andreimpope...@gmail.com: > > > > Question for you: how much would it have taken you to write that into a > > script compared to the time you spent trying to get the quoting right? > > > HaHa, of course the latter is much

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 02 iun 20, 11:03:48, Victor Sudakov wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > It's many years since I ran servers in what one might call "hostile" > > environments, so the current situation suits me, and I don't keep up > > with discussions like those in > >

[Kamil Jońca] Virtualbox vs qemu/virt-manager

2020-06-01 Thread Kamil Jońca
(Previously sent from different address, but seems that onet.pl has a problem with this list. Sorry for possible copy) Hi. Please do not treat this as flame or sth. I used Virtualbox so far on my desktop box. Virtual machines are generally Windows (10,8.1,7, and ever ancient NT 4.0 :) ) I

Virtualize a Debian system within Manjaro

2020-06-01 Thread Victor Sudakov
Dear Colleagues, There is an office where the standard desktop OS is Manjaro (a clone of Arch Linux). There is not much choice actually. I don't very much like Manjaro's packaging system and its lack of many essential packages in binary format. When I need something as simple as codesearch or

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Victor Sudakov
David Wright wrote: > On Sun 31 May 2020 at 16:28:34 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote: > > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 29 May 2020 at 21:57:06 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > Finally, pkg delete -a sounds like something from the abattoir, > > > > > rather

Re: OT: the art of reviewing unix log files

2020-06-01 Thread davidson
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: [dd] Having an appropriate tool helps a lot: https://lnav.org/ lnav - ncurses-based log file viewer The log file navigator, lnav, is an enhanced log file viewer that takes advantage of any semantic information that can be gleaned from the files

Re: Debian man pages have annoying feature(sic)

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 2 juin 2020 à 00:02 de rowl...@cloud85.net: > On 06/01/2020 04:02 PM, Ralph Katz wrote: > >> apt show debian-goodies >> ... >> debman - Easily view man pages from a binary .deb without extracting >> [man, apt* (via debget)] >> >> So... ~$ dman packagename # will fetch the manpages as

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Tom Dial
On 6/1/20 00:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >On Du, 31 mai 20, 20:52:06, Tom Dial wrote: >> >> Moreover, ZFS is not DFSG and GPL compliant, and quite a few >> users would avoid it because of that. > >ZFS is licensed under the CDDL[1], which is both free (as in freedom) >and DFGS *compliant*. > >It

Re: Debian man pages have annoying feature(sic)

2020-06-01 Thread Bob Weber
On 6/1/20 6:02 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/01/2020 04:02 PM, Ralph Katz wrote: On 5/30/20 3:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: ... *PROBLEM* As package is not installed, that directory does *NOT* exist. Where to find required documentation on the web? NOTE BENE This post is about man pages as

Re: Debian man pages have annoying feature(sic)

2020-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2020 04:02 PM, Ralph Katz wrote: On 5/30/20 3:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: ... *PROBLEM* As package is not installed, that directory does *NOT* exist. Where to find required documentation on the web? NOTE BENE This post is about man pages as a class. apt show debian-goodies ...

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Brian
On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 14:28:45 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/01/2020 02:21 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 07:01:21 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > Does anyone recall the page I described in my 2nd paragraph? > > > > It doesn't exist anymore. > > > > Your knowledge of

Re: Debian man pages have annoying feature(sic)

2020-06-01 Thread Ralph Katz
On 5/30/20 3:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: ... > *PROBLEM* > As package is not installed, that directory does *NOT* exist. > > Where to find required documentation on the web? > > NOTE BENE > This post is about man pages as a class. > apt show debian-goodies ... debman - Easily view man

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2020 02:21 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 07:01:21 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Does anyone recall the page I described in my 2nd paragraph? It doesn't exist anymore. Your knowledge of preseeding should be sufficient to get to where you want to be. No. My *EXPLICIT

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Brian
On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 07:01:21 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Does anyone recall the page I described in my 2nd paragraph? It doesn't exist anymore. Your knowledge of preseeding should be sufficient to get to where you want to be. -- Brian.

Re: Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi Andrei, 1 juin 2020 à 20:03 de andreimpope...@gmail.com: > On Lu, 01 iun 20, 17:34:10, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > >> 1 juin 2020 à 15:25 de wool...@eeg.ccf.org: >> >> > I would not even *attempt* to do what you are trying to do here. Your >> > life would become enormously simpler if you would

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread David Wright
On Sun 31 May 2020 at 16:28:34 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 29 May 2020 at 21:57:06 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > Finally, pkg delete -a sounds like something from the abattoir, > > > > rather than anything you'd do to a pet

Re: Can't get started

2020-06-01 Thread David Wright
On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 09:34:46 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 30 mai 20, 16:09:46, David Wright wrote: > > > > My only worry was whether systemd-networkd gives way gracefully > > to a configured ifupdown, or fights it like systemd-timesyncd vs ntp. > > systemd-networkd is not enabled

Re: Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 01 iun 20, 17:34:10, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > 1 juin 2020 à 15:25 de wool...@eeg.ccf.org: > > > I would not even *attempt* to do what you are trying to do here. Your > > life would become enormously simpler if you would just put this shell > > script inside a file, and Exec it as a script.

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 01 iun 20, 12:26:28, Marco Möller wrote: > On 01.06.20 08:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 30 mai 20, 19:54:09, Marco Möller wrote: > > > > > > From the view of a user, it does not sound so complicated ;-) . I guess, > > > and > > > this will be fair, that I am now asked to program

Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, Could someone explain to me the correct syntax (quoting & escaping) regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files please? The FreeDesktop specification (https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s07.html)  says the following: ===BEGIN EXTRACT=== "Arguments may

DE menu customization

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, How do you deal with your desktop environment menu customization please? Manually? Or via some softwares like MenuLibre or Alacarte? Do you have specific advice except reading  https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/index.html? I would like to rearrange my Debian 10 Xfce

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2020 09:32 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/01/2020 09:16 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 07:01:21AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The standard Debian installer gives me only two poor choices:    too little customization    [i.e. Standard]    too much customization   

Re: Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi Greg, 1 juin 2020 à 15:25 de wool...@eeg.ccf.org: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 03:12:03PM +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > >> Let's take an example, here is my fusuma.desktop file:[Desktop Entry] >> >> Type=Application >> Name=fusuma >> Exec=sh -c 'if which ruby >/dev/null && which gem >/dev/null;

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2020 09:16 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 07:01:21AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The standard Debian installer gives me only two poor choices: too little customization [i.e. Standard] too much customization [i.e. Expert] There are question always

Re: Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 07:01:21AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > The standard Debian installer gives me only two poor choices: > too little customization[i.e. Standard] > too much customization [i.e. Expert] > There are question always asked which will always have same answer > [e.g.

Re: Syntax regarding "Exec" instruction in .desktop files

2020-06-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 03:12:03PM +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > "Arguments may be quoted in whole. If an argument contains a reserved > character the argument must be quoted. The rules for quoting of arguments is > also applicable to the executable name or path of the executable program as >

Towards a customizeable installer

2020-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
The standard Debian installer gives me only two poor choices: too little customization [i.e. Standard] too much customization[i.e. Expert] There are question always asked which will always have same answer [e.g. Full name]. Back when Squeeze was the current release there was a

Re: ActiveSync Postfix

2020-06-01 Thread Gokan Atmaca
> If that is what you need, then you should checkout SOGo, it works with > the components you've described below, and adds ActiveSync to the mix. > (and CardDAV / CalDAV). I installed SOGO. It is working now. My only issue is not syncing contacts on mobile clients. I'm investigating. Thank you

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread songbird
Tom Dial wrote: ... > In the fairly large number of posts in this thread I don't recall seeing > file system snapshots suggested. My current preference is ZFS, which I > know from experience to be up to what I understand to be the goal here. both timeshift and partclone have been mentioned.

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread songbird
Marco Möller wrote: ... > The problem remains to simply remove a couple of packages without having > to go for a full blown system reinstall and all the necessary > requirements for organizing it well. As there is a package manager, it > is obviously a straight forward logic to expect it to do

Re: ActiveSync Postfix

2020-06-01 Thread lists
Hi, If that is what you need, then you should checkout SOGo, it works with the components you've described below, and adds ActiveSync to the mix. (and CardDAV / CalDAV). You could then decide to drop squirrelmail, or simply continue using that as well for email. MJ Op 30-5-2020 om 21:14

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Marco Möller
On 01.06.20 08:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 30 mai 20, 19:54:09, Marco Möller wrote: From the view of a user, it does not sound so complicated ;-) . I guess, and this will be fair, that I am now asked to program it, it's open source and I should contribute. But unfortunately I can only

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Marco Möller
On 01.06.20 04:41, emetib wrote: this has been an interesting topic, so what the hell, here's my two cents. for my vm's, i have a list off packages that i install as soon as the minimum/base install and reboot is done. 4 vm's, testing, stable, centos7, opensuse. i have no gui's on these

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Marco Möller
On 01.06.20 04:52, Tom Dial wrote: On 5/31/20 03:28, Victor Sudakov wrote: David Wright wrote: On Fri 29 May 2020 at 21:57:06 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote: David Wright wrote: Finally, pkg delete -a sounds like something from the abattoir, rather than anything you'd do to a pet (to

Re: OT: the art of reviewing unix log files

2020-06-01 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 1 juin 2020 à 09:43 de david...@freevolt.org: > On the topic of reviewing unix log files, what have you read before > and found useful later? > Having an appropriate tool helps a lot: https://lnav.org/ Best regards, l0f4r0

OT: the art of reviewing unix log files

2020-06-01 Thread davidson
On the topic of reviewing unix log files, what have you read before and found useful later? -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12518471 alexk already addressed your concern: your keys, preferably issued by your org's CA (instead of being generated by you) should be short-lived, oftentimes

Opener: systemd Sluiter: gezocht

2020-06-01 Thread Geert Stappers
Hoi, We hebben al lang betaalbare computers met meerdere CPU's. Tijdens opstart reeds taken parallel doen, is een van de dingen die systemd mogelijk maakt. In andere woorden: systemd heeft bestaansrecht. Bij het afsluiten van computers die systemd als init systeem hebben, heb ik nogal

Re: Debian man pages have annoying feature(sic)

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 30 mai 20, 16:05:54, David Wright wrote: > > For man pages, I type man foo into google. That usually throws > up one or two links from different sources. I have/had these configured as search engines in Firefox (Vimium): dpkg: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%s

Re: Can't get started

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 30 mai 20, 16:09:46, David Wright wrote: > > My only worry was whether systemd-networkd gives way gracefully > to a configured ifupdown, or fights it like systemd-timesyncd vs ntp. systemd-networkd is not enabled nor configured by default in buster. > > > I've yet to see any virtue in

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 31 mai 20, 20:52:06, Tom Dial wrote: > > Moreover, ZFS is not DFSG and GPL compliant, and quite a few > users would avoid it because of that. ZFS is licensed under the CDDL[1], which is both free (as in freedom) and DFGS *compliant*. It is also *incompatible* with the GPL, which means

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-06-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 30 mai 20, 19:54:09, Marco Möller wrote: > > From the view of a user, it does not sound so complicated ;-) . I guess, and > this will be fair, that I am now asked to program it, it's open source and I > should contribute. But unfortunately I can only contribute ideas, I am not a >