Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread David
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 at 13:52, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 iun 21, 10:57:39, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Mistery solved by looking at the html part (the '/' are meant to denote > italic), the correct command is: > comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc > /var/log/installer/initial

Re: How to create dictionary and spell checker for my locale language (Malay) ?

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 23 iun 21, 11:53:47, Robbi Nespu wrote: > Hello Debian! > > TLDR; How I can generate my own dictionary and spell checker file? Try asking on debian-i18n. > I from Malaysia, we use Malay (Bahasa Melayu) as our primary language but we > don't mind using English for user-interface of softwa

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Tue Jun 22 11:11:38 2021 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: >> >>> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make >>> it absolutely clear; >>> >>> gmail != email >>> >>> or, in words

How to create dictionary and spell checker for my locale language (Malay) ?

2021-06-22 Thread Robbi Nespu
Hello Debian! TLDR; How I can generate my own dictionary and spell checker file? I from Malaysia, we use Malay (Bahasa Melayu) as our primary language but we don't mind using English for user-interface of software and communication. I think most of us are comfortable with English because dire

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 10:57:39, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 05:44:50PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 22 iun 21, 15:30:35, Christian wrote: > > > > > > /comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc > > > /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 11:25:00, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 05:08:35PM +0200, Christian wrote: > > Hi Andrei, > > > > thanks a lot for your reply. 😁 > > > > > It's unclear what exactly '/comm -23' is supposed to be > > > > Well, from the man pages (man comm) : > > > > /comm [OPTI

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
> That's what I get for blindly copying and pasting the "directions" from > Github. I should've have just told Monnier that the whole shebang > can be installed locally, which renders inoperative his nitpick about > not having the Net when he needs to cheat the most (or most often). The difference

Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] (SOLVED)

2021-06-22 Thread Gary L. Roach
Thank all of you for your replies, Andrei's missive below was the fix I needed. After unsubscribing "All-Mail" and one other folder, I restarted Thunderbird and my problem disappeared. All my mail now passes through my InBox and is processed by my local filters. Just what I wanted. Gary R.

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 20:03:29 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:36:33 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > Hello Brian, > > >It cannot handle email in a way *you* approve of? > > The way google handle electronic communication differs from the way the > everyone else does it. Like I said

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Wed 23 Jun 2021 at 03:13:00 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 23/6/21 2:39 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 02:27:04AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > > On 23/6/21 1:42 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > There's nothing in .bashrc which controls the terminal's interpretation > > > >

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 03:13:00AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Funnily enough, given what you contend, before I commented out the colouring > in stuff, when running ls -lh, directory names were displayed in blue text, > and, after I commented out the colouring in stuff, running ls -lh, the > output

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 08:35:42 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/22/2021 08:24 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > I have vision problems. > > > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > > > The program I'm running give

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Bret Busby
On 23/6/21 2:39 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 02:27:04AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 23/6/21 1:42 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: There's nothing in .bashrc which controls the terminal's interpretation of color escape sequences. Or in bash, anywhere. Excerpt from .bashrc file:

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:36:33 +0100 Brian wrote: Hello Brian, >It cannot handle email in a way *you* approve of? The way google handle electronic communication differs from the way the everyone else does it. Like I said, there's huge overlap, but that means there are differences. Whether I app

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 19:44:30 +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 19:36 +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > [...] > > All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours. > > > > Continuing nonsense. > > > > No it's not. A commercial comp

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Tixy
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 19:36 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: [...] > All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours. > > Continuing nonsense. > No it's not. A commercial company isn't going to do anything altruistic for our benefit, they do wh

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richmond
Peter Ehlert wrote: > > On 6/22/21 9:17 AM, Richmond wrote: >> Richard Owlett wrote: >>> I have vision problems. >>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. >>> The program I'm running gives out colored text. >>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. >>> Help please. >>> >>> >> On the menu b

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 02:27:04AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 23/6/21 1:42 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > There's nothing in .bashrc which controls the terminal's interpretation > > of color escape sequences. Or in bash, anywhere. > Excerpt from .bashrc file: > > " > > # set a fancy prompt (no

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it > absolutely clear; > > gmail != email Nonsense. > or, in words; > > gmail IS NOT email More nonsense. > There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Bret Busby
On 23/6/21 1:42 am, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:27:17AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: And, that also applies, if provision for coloured text is commented out, in the .bashrc file. There's nothing in .bashrc which controls the terminal's interpretation of color escape sequences.

Re: Disappearing shim-signed after failed dist-upgrade

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 08:59:13 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > A recent dist-upgrade on Buster (in a scripted cron job run at 01:00 daily) > failed due to apt-listbugs complaining about the boot-breaking bug in > shim-signed, and pinning v1.33 in the process. > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/b

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:27:17AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > And, that also applies, if provision for coloured text is commented out, in > the .bashrc file. There's nothing in .bashrc which controls the terminal's interpretation of color escape sequences. Or in bash, anywhere. It's entirely bet

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Bret Busby
On 23/6/21 12:17 am, Richmond wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please. On the menu bar of mate-terminal, select Edit -> Profile Prefere

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Bret Busby
On 22/6/21 11:34 pm, David Wright wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if there were a debian-mate list. Oh, look, there it is! https://lists.debian.org/debian-mate/ Cheers, David. In viewing the published list archive for that list, all of the messages this year, appear to be announce messages f

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 6/22/21 9:17 AM, Richmond wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please. On the menu bar of mate-terminal, select Edit -> Profile Prefer

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Siard
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:32:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have vision problems. > > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > > Help please. > >

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richmond
Richard Owlett wrote: > I have vision problems. > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > Help please. > > On the menu bar of mate-terminal, select Edit -> Profile Preferences -> Colours Uncheck the

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 05:54:19 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/22/2021 02:21 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 06/21/20

Re: Problem with Grub

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 19 Jun 2021 at 14:51:53 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > William Lee Valentine composed on 2021-06-19 10:19 (UTC-0600): > > > I had installed a back version of Debian in a partition on a > > 500-megahertz computer that was otherwise running Windows 2000 and > > MS-DOS. > > > When I had finish

Re: ifconfig stats ??? Wrong behavior OR BUG ?

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 11 Jun 2021 at 14:01:02 (+), Kanto Andria wrote: > First post here on this lists. I know about the the IP set of  commands, BUT > my concern is about the ifconfig one.I have 2 Debian 10 Buster systems and I > have the same behavior - reading the man page did not give the specific > o

Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:39:24 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-06-21 3:31 p.m., David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote: > >> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote: > >>> test > >> > >> I got your test message. As it happens,

Re: debian installation issue

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 11 Jun 2021 at 16:57:35 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Greg Wooledge composed on 2021-06-11 15:07 (UTC-0400): > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 09:38:37PM +0300, Semih Ozlem wrote: > > >> How to check where grub is installed? And what is a friendly guide to > >> learning about grub? > > > GRUB sh

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 17:32:55 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have vision problems. > > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > > Help ple

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 05:08:35PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hi Andrei, > > thanks a lot for your reply. 😁 > > > It's unclear what exactly '/comm -23' is supposed to be > > Well, from the man pages (man comm) : > > /comm [OPTION]... FILE1 FILE2// Your mail user agent (or your editor) appears t

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-22 15:42, Joe wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:17:56 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: Doesn't your ISP provide an email server? In my neck of the woods, its part of the services an ISP provides for a basic 10 megabaud connection. It's getting less common in the UK, mostly it comes only wi

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Christian
Hi Andrei, thanks a lot for your reply. 😁 > It's unclear what exactly '/comm -23' is supposed to be Well, from the man pages (man comm) : /comm [OPTION]... FILE1 FILE2// // //DESCRIPTION// //   Compare sorted files FILE1 and FILE2 line by line.   -1 suppress column 1 (lines unique

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 05:44:50PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 iun 21, 15:30:35, Christian wrote: > > > > /comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc > > /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)/ > > It's unclear what exactly '/comm -23' is

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Christian
Dear Hans, 😁 thanks again for your help. > if you can see in this file, which packages are postinstalled or dependent [...] Alas that doesn´t seem to be the case. As an example I post-installed the fish-shell and the respective entry simply is: /fish  

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-22 15:32, mick crane wrote: On 2021-06-22 14:55, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/22/2021 08:47 AM, mick crane wrote: On 2021-06-22 14:14, Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MAT

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 15:30:35, Christian wrote: > > /comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc > /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)/ It's unclear what exactly '/comm -23' is supposed to be and it seems your mail program messed with line breaks. Al

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:17:56 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > Doesn't your ISP provide an email server? In my neck of the woods, > its part of the services an ISP provides for a basic 10 megabaud > connection. > It's getting less common in the UK, mostly it comes only with web hosting. Where it is

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread IL Ka
One more idea: install xterm (``apt install xterm``) and run it with ``-cm`` $ xterm -cm that means "do not recognize color esc. sequences" Everything is b&w there

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-22, Richard Owlett wrote: > Unfortunately it outputs light gray text on white background which is > near impossible for me to read. I Can't figure out how to COERCE MATE > Terminal to render everything as black on white. That is a showstopper > for me. Yeah, maybe you're trying to

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have vision problems. > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > Help please. This has already been addressed before: you must change the color sc

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-22 14:55, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/22/2021 08:47 AM, mick crane wrote: On 2021-06-22 14:14, Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help pleas

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 22. Juni 2021, 16:17:15 CEST schrieb Christian: Hi Christian, I looked not further into te result file. However, if you can see in this file, which packages are postinstalled or dependent, you can just filter this file with tools like cat, grep or even sort. On the other hand, you

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Of course, I have no idea what Richard's actual program is, so here's > a half-hearted apology for possibly highjacking a thread. (Note: I'm > in rxvt-unicode, not MATE terminal.) (Sorry.) > It's cht.sh (in local mode), and he's going about things bass-ac

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread IL Ka
> > > unicorn:~$ sudo TERM=xterm-mono apt update > > Nope. Not that one either. Some apps ignore the number of colors from the terminfo. Their authors believe there are no colorless monitors. Vim and bash works, however $ TERM=xterm-mono vim $ TERM=xterm-mono bash (no color prompt)

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 05:54:19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > If ~/bin needs to be created, will logging out then in _guarantee_ it gets > added to my path? That doesn't sound normal. There is no guarantee :) On buster /etc/skel/.profile includes the following snippets # set PATH so it includes us

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Christian
Hello Hans, thanks so much for your very quick reply. I just tried out the command you provided and it seems to produce quite an extensive list beginning with "acl" and ending with "zlib1g:amd64". So it´s basically a list with all the packages which are installed by  default plus the packages

Re: how to let user access cell phone

2021-06-22 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 20:47:14 + (UTC) Long Wind wrote: > i use jmtpfs to mount cell phone, only root user can access phone's > memoryhow to let other user to access it ?Thanks! Are you invoking jmtpfs as user or root? What mount point are you using? Please provide more details about exactly h

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 08:47 AM, mick crane wrote: On 2021-06-22 14:14, Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please. Has the monitor got any controls on it

Re: question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 22. Juni 2021, 15:30:35 CEST schrieb Christian: Hi, maybe this is the command you need? From an older doku: - 3.3.10 Record/copy system configuration To make a local copy of the package selection states: $ dpkg --get-selections "*" > myselections # or use \* “*” mak

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-22 14:14, Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please. Has the monitor got any controls on it ? mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 04:21:35PM +0300, IL Ka wrote: > try > $ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program] /me tries unicorn:~$ TERM=xterm-mono sudo apt update Nope. No luck there. unicorn:~$ sudo TERM=xterm-mono apt update Nope. Not that one either. If Debian's APT team is trying their very, very har

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 07:59 AM, Curt wrote: On 2021-06-22, Richard Owlett wrote: I got multiple warning messages including a missing dependency and warning that my Python was too old. I'm in process of installing Debian 10.7 on another machine. I'll try again this afternoon or tomorrow. Thanks. Too

question regarding post-installed packages

2021-06-22 Thread Christian
Hi altogether, I'm new to *Debian* and so far I like it very much. I´ve some (basic) knowledge regarding Linux-distros but this knowledge is based on the fact that I´ve been using Lubuntu (ubuntu derivative) for some time now. I appreciate there are some differences between Ubuntu and Debian

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 08:24 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please. Richard,

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 08:21 AM, IL Ka wrote: try $ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program] didn't work :{ On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM Richard Owlett wrote: I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have vision problems. > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > Help please. > > Richard, What's the program? For some Xterms, t

Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread IL Ka
try $ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program] On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > I have vision problems. > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. > The program I'm running gives out colored text. > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. > Help please. > > >

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-22, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I got multiple warning messages including a missing dependency and > warning that my Python was too old. I'm in process of installing > Debian 10.7 on another machine. I'll try again this afternoon or tomorrow. > Thanks. Too old is surprising because it u

Font color selection in MATE terminal

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
I have vision problems. I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases. The program I'm running gives out colored text. The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful. Help please.

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 06:43 AM, Curt wrote: On 2021-06-22, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/22/2021 02:21 AM, Curt wrote: On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-22, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/22/2021 02:21 AM, Curt wrote: >> On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote: >>cu

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 06:32 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-06-22 at 07:17, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it absolutely clear; gmail != email

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-06-22 at 07:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: >> >>> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to >>> make it absolutely clear; >>> >>> gmail != email >>> >>> or, in words;

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: > > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make > > it absolutely clear; > > > > gmail != email > > > > or, in words; > > > > gmail IS NOT email > > > > > > There may be vast

Re: [OT] openPGP: keeping primary key offline?

2021-06-22 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2021-06-22 10:46:58+0200, Marco Möller wrote: > Regarding openPGP usage, it is recommended in several user guides to > keep the primary key offline and keeping on the main computer only > subkeys. I have read some of such guides. They imply considerations about relevant threats but unfortunat

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it absolutely clear; gmail != email or, in words; gmail IS NOT email There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect google to do anything right. All that google offer is fo

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/22/2021 02:21 AM, Curt wrote: On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote: curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-22 Thread Brad Rogers
In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it absolutely clear; gmail != email or, in words; gmail IS NOT email There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect google to do anything right. All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours. -- Regards _

Re: Auto install security updates only?

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 10:05:32, Dick Visser wrote: > > It appears that linux-image-cloud-amd64 is the security update, but it > depends on linux-image-4.19.0-17-cloud-amd64 which is not a security > update. The output of 'apt policy' for both package will show what's happening. My guess is they are

Re: [OT] openPGP: keeping primary key offline?

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 iun 21, 10:46:58, Marco Möller wrote: > Regarding openPGP usage, it is recommended in several user guides to keep > the primary key offline and keeping on the main computer only subkeys. The > argumentation is that if keeping it on the main computer then it could be > used in an unauthori

pictograms

2021-06-22 Thread steef van duin
Hi, somehow i did something very stupid.: I cannot get 'the' large pictograms back in my home file. How do i do that? I seem to have forgotten this. Sorry, steef (dutch) Ik heb gedachtenloos klaarblijkeli

Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email]

2021-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 iun 21, 16:22:42, Gary L. Roach wrote: > > For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no problems. > Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my mail server. > Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a sudden I had an > All-Mail folder th

[OT] openPGP: keeping primary key offline?

2021-06-22 Thread Marco Möller
Regarding openPGP usage, it is recommended in several user guides to keep the primary key offline and keeping on the main computer only subkeys. The argumentation is that if keeping it on the main computer then it could be used in an unauthorized way. Of course, what is offline, like a good back

Auto install security updates only?

2021-06-22 Thread Dick Visser
Hi I'm looking for a way to auto install security updates only. To this end have configured unattended-upgrades like this: Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { "origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security"; }; Unattended-Upgrade::Package-Blacklist { }; While this work

Disappearning shim-signed after failed dist-upgrade

2021-06-22 Thread Gareth Evans
A recent dist-upgrade on Buster (in a scripted cron job run at 01:00 daily) failed due to apt-listbugs complaining about the boot-breaking bug in shim-signed, and pinning v1.33 in the process. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=990082 The next (manual) dist-upgrade removed shim-s

Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-22 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: >> On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> > On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote: >> > > curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh >> > > chmod +x ~/bin/cht.sh >> > > cht.s

Re: bad fstab entry prevents ssh from starting [where do i file a bugreport?]

2021-06-22 Thread Sven Hartge
Horatiu Nimigean wrote: > if one entry in fstab fails, ssh fails to start and the vps/bare metal needs > rescue. > What causes this ? I suspect it's some systemd dependency, that's why I am > asking here. If an entry in /etc/fstab is not marked "nofail", then a failure to mount will cause the

Re: bad fstab entry prevents ssh from starting [where do i file a bugreport?]

2021-06-22 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-22 07:39, Horatiu Nimigean wrote: Hi. https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting told me this is the best place to ask if i am not sure which package causes the problem. The problem: if one entry in fstab fails, ssh fails to start and the vps/bare metal needs rescue. What causes this ? I s