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David Baron put forth on 1/9/2011 10:07 AM:
I get:
HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
on bootup and any attempt to read or set dma for either the IDE or the
SATA
disk on my
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David Baron put forth on 1/9/2011 10:07 AM:
I get:
HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
on bootup and any attempt to read or set dma for either the IDE or the
SATA
I have some cron job trying to run ntpdate which I no longer have on my system
nor any of its configs. Have been unable to find it by fgrep-ing in the /etc
or /root trees.
I also have some init still looking for the no-longer extant /dev/hda, et al.
Also unable to find it fgrep-ing the /etc
Testing out an HP F2480 all-in-one. Attempts to scan get to the end and then
it fails to save the file with a bad marshal data FIL error.
What is this? How to fix it?
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Silverlight 3.0.4x
works fine
How did you get it installed? Their site only has for firefox and chromium
does not pick it up.
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The system-config-lvm UI offers the option to change filesystem type, i.e.
currently ext3, change to ext4.
Can one/should one do this?
As requested by one responder: What is the advantage of ext4 over ext3 and
what variety of files
I have a dual core intel processor with hyperthreading, etc.
Virtualization options are set on in BIOS.
I still get something like CPU does not have extensions, doing nothing when
the KVM driver tries to load.
I am using a stock 2.6.32 kernel from Sid.
How do I activate KVM stuff? Need to
The system-config-lvm UI offers the option to change filesystem type, i.e.
currently ext3, change to ext4.
Can one/should one do this?
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What is the best way to do this? (If I simply cp -a, I might dispense with LVM
altogether since it's services on a 1 terra disk are not critical any longer).
I thought to simply add partitions on the new disk to the current volumes and
sometime later remove some or all of the old disk
As followup to my post on Nouveau, which I would prefer using, the
installation of the gallium experimental driver involves too many
experimental packages. I installed nvidia's driver (for newer
620GeForce 6200 TurboCache) without a hitch ... almost.
AFTER X is up, the consoles
As followup to my post on Nouveau, which I would prefer using, the
installation of the gallium experimental driver involves too many
experimental packages. I installed nvidia's driver (for newer
620GeForce 6200 TurboCache) without a hitch ... almost.
AFTER X is up, the consoles
I have had chromium browser (not Google's) suddenly eat all my system's memory
(2G worth), step into swap, and the system is paralyzed. I can eventually kill
it without a need to hit the big switch.
This is only on certain sites. Anyone had this problem?
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As followup to my post on Nouveau, which I would prefer using, the
installation of the gallium experimental driver involves too many experimental
packages. I installed nvidia's driver (for newer 620GeForce 6200 TurboCache)
without a hitch ... almost.
AFTER X is up, the consoles
As followup to my post on Nouveau, which I would prefer using, the
installation of the gallium experimental driver involves too many
experimental packages. I installed nvidia's driver (for newer 620GeForce
6200 TurboCache) without a hitch ... almost.
AFTER X is up, the consoles
As Sven points out, there is no current support for 3D in Nuvó driver
(there is, but is very experimental and probably highly unstable¹).
Should you want to play with 3D programs/applications, just install
nvidia driver.
¹ http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumHowto
I am running a 2.6.32.5 kernel using Nouveau on an nvidia pci-express card.
Seems to me games like penguin racer and such should run fine on this (even if
not as well as with the proprietary nvidia drivers). They run, however, as if
there were no direct rendering at all. Even chromium which ran
Try reinstalling your kernel, or if you compiled your own, install a recent
linux-image-2.6.32.5 from Sid. The postinstall script will point /etc/fstab
and lilo.conf to the newer UUID references and then it should play.
The postinstall for home-brew kernels does not do this for you, I'm afraid
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ALSA sound is not working after booting stock linux-image 2.6.32-5 (i386
from
Do you get any errors from sound playing software or just no output. Did
you try some console players (like asound or
The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:
Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors
For details see host's SYSLOG (default: /var/log/syslog).
You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
No additional email messages about this problem will
ALSA sound is not working after booting stock linux-image 2.6.32-5 (i386 from
Sid). Get error like the following trying to manually modprobe any of the
drivers:
[ 4445.110492] snd_timer: Unknown symbol snd_iprintf
[ 4445.110828] snd_timer: Unknown symbol snd_ecards_limit
[ 4445.56]
Using the Debian rescue CD, I installed the linux-image-2.6.32-5 and linux-
base from Sid.
The install edited my fstab and lilo.conf files for me, putting in the UUID
numbers for everything except lilo.conf boot=. I left that as-is /dev/sda but
both variations, UUID and ata-ID had previously
I apologize for them. The provider's web-based mailer only supports Windows
(cr/lf) and therefore, anything done in anything else, well, you've seen the
results.
I complained but they have no intention of fixing it.
Anyway, now up and running and back in kmail so future postings should be
Dead in the water. What to do keeping data in lvm partitions? Best reply off
list also. Thanks for any help!
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LVM Uses such a system quite nicely. Question is where I get the UUID's
for the two items not in LVM, the /boot and the /root? (Got to get this
right the first try ... )
blkid(8) in package util-linux
On Friday 20 August 2010 10:04:54 David Baron wrote:
I built this kernel for first time with new PATA rather than the old
deprecated drivers. These are compiled-in, no initrd. Get cannot find block
error, [2,22] or something like that.
Possibilities:
1. Need to compile in VIA's driver
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:39:15 -0400 (EDT), David Baron wrote:
Googling found the second alternative. The new sda names are for ALL
hard disks, SATA, IDE, SCSI, no matter.
So there seems to be no way to keep the two variations, i.e. kernels
using the deprecated and the new PATA
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I built this kernel for first time with new PATA rather than the old
deprecated drivers. These are compiled-in, no initrd. Get cannot find
block error, [2,22] or something like that.
I built this kernel for first time with new PATA rather than the old
deprecated drivers. These are compiled-in, no initrd. Get cannot find block
error, [2,22] or something like that.
Possibilities:
1. Need to compile in VIA's driver as well. Not doing this prevented DMA
access using
Kernels 2.6.33 and on apparently do support Nouveau. I see no option offered
in make menuconfig to compile the module.
How do I get it ?
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I have no subnet declared anywhere (that I know of). I have eth0 to a router
on 10.100.101.100
dhcpd complains about lack of subnet declaration.
1. What would use?
2. Do I need it?
3. Do I need dhcpd (it fails to start and this effect nothing)?
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Anybody had experience with these?
Have SATA, Giga NIC, everything. Intel chipset.
Anything special needed in kernel?
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Where might I set the cutoff number of points of spamassassin? Currently
(defaults to) 5 and I get a lot of false alarms at 5.2, for example.
Alternatively, where might I lower the points for its internal ruleset?
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Anyone here have an Android cell phone that runs a some full capability
linux distro?
ie, making something like a linux pda with cell phone capability?
Is there an Ubuntu, or Debian, or some other community based distro for
the android phone hw?
Android no, but Nokia's
I learned programming in 1963 (now that's OLD).
My first computer was the IBM 1620. The first desktop, or should I say, desk
(the whole thing). No OS. Used punched cards (OOO).
Had a crippled FORTRAN compiler, assembler, little else, but had a unique
variable word-length architecture
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 18:42:02 David Baron wrote:
On Saturday 12 June 2010 23:02:11 David Baron wrote:
I have no cron running ntpdate that I know of and there is no ntpdate
entry in anacrontab. I run it in an rc.local type script on bootup.
Period. This run works.
The only
LVM is a dandy tool, especially after having juggled partitions trying to
shoehorn stuff on my not-so-large HDs. Unfortunately, it is a layer between
the usual data tools and the data.
What is needed is a LVM data/directory mapping tool that can be niced away and
croned. Some way of extracting
On Saturday 12 June 2010 23:02:11 David Baron wrote:
I have no cron running ntpdate that I know of and there is no ntpdate
entry in anacrontab. I run it in an rc.local type script on bootup.
Period. This run works.
The only thing I can think of is an obsolete webmin entry but I
I have no cron running ntpdate that I know of and there is no ntpdate
entry in anacrontab. I run it in an rc.local type script on bootup.
Period. This run works.
The only thing I can think of is an obsolete webmin entry but I have not
run webmin for ages. This simply made cron
I have no cron running ntpdate that I know of and there is no ntpdate
entry in anacrontab. I run it in an rc.local type script on bootup.
Period. This run works.
The only thing I can think of is an obsolete webmin entry but I have not
run webmin for ages. This simply made cron
My logs are filling up with:
Jun 10 15:16:14 dovidhalevi dhclient: send_packet: Operation not permitted
I did not what is doing this, started happening after recent update of Sid but
I did not notice exactly when. Network is being accessed by a static-IP'd
router. I should not need any of this.
I am getting these every five minutes or so:
FROM:jameswellington000@[71.121.223.194] SIZE=8814)
2010-06-10 19:00:32 SMTP call from localhost (dovidhalevi) [127.0.0.1]
dropped: too many syntax or protocol errors (last command was MAIL
And a series like this as well:
Jun 10 15:26:03
I get these periodically through the day:
Cron r...@dovidhalevi /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s 216.200.93.8 (failed)
From: Cron Daemon r...@dovidhalevi.homelinux.net
To: r...@dovidhalevi.homelinux.net
command failed with exit status 1
I have no cron running ntpdate that I know of and there is no
I sometimes get this. The disks click-clack. Those messages.
Usually rebooting after jiggling the cables fixes it. Maybe replace them. Also
check the power supply. Working? Adequate?
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So I have both chromium from Sid and google-chrome from google installed,
sharing the same .config directory. No problem with deleted extensions.
Having both around does confuse the default browser and each will ask anew
every single time.
So with chromium running, I click a link on an email
On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:13:03 David Baron wrote:
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| It is a spamer...
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| It it is always the same IP, add it to the backlist
|
| How do I do this obvious task? In exim? I have
A poster rightly noted that chromium is NOT google chrome.
Installed it (still in 5.). Looks like Google's. Taste's like it. I do
believe it loads up noticeably faster (was not that the whole point of
chromium in the first place?). Flash seems more reliable as well (I understand
why Apple
I do not get bootlogs. They error messages complain of the discrepancy between
the names I assigned my LVM volumes and the /dev/dm-# names. Recommend using a
SYMLINK+= (in a udev ruleset?) or changing the kernel so support my names.
Instructions are very helpful.
For next kernel config: What
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A poster rightly noted that chromium is NOT google chrome.
Installed it (still in 5.). Looks like Google's. Taste's like
it. I do believe it loads up noticeably faster (was not that the
whole
On Monday 24 May 2010 22:57:12 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org
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I get a zillion of these, every single day, about every 5 minutes or so:
2010-05-24 15:05:38 SMTP call from localhost (dovidhalevi) [127.0.0.1]
dropped: too many syntax or protocol errors (last command was
Anyone with experience and Debian-related information on motherboards by DFI
and by Winsonic? Apparently of the few which support modern CPU and memory and
still sport as ISA slot or two.
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I get a zillion of these, every single day, about every 5 minutes or so:
2010-05-24 15:05:38 SMTP call from localhost (dovidhalevi) [127.0.0.1]
dropped: too many syntax or protocol errors (last command
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| It is a spamer...
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| It it is always the same IP, add it to the backlist
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| How do I do this obvious task? In exim? I have fail2ban as well but this
| is not catching this one.
Have
I get a zillion of these, every single day, about every 5 minutes or so:
2010-05-24 15:05:38 SMTP call from localhost (dovidhalevi) [127.0.0.1]
dropped: too many syntax or protocol errors (last command was MAIL
FROM:jameswellington000@[71.121.223.194] SIZE=8814)
I am running exim4 heavy on
I second the vote to fix/keep lilo as a choice. Testing grub2 is not for the
faint-at-heart because if you cannot boot, you may not be able to recover so
easily using a knoppix CD or such because of newer options, LVM, etc.
The kernels getting too big is a problem indeed!
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I used to be able to do certain things like removing troublesome messages and
such using webmin. Is there any other way?
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The initial ntpdate run from /etc/init.d succeeds.
However, as of recent upgrades or site changes, a cron run of ntpdate fails:
Cron ... /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s 216.200.93.8 (failed)
...
command failed with exit status 1
I assume that the IP shown is not available. I cannot find where this cron
Recently, I have been getting a load of errors from fetchmail of the form:
May 13 19:01:15 ... fetchmail[6102]: SMTP error: 501
fedexcouriercompany111.yahoo@[98.110.119.254]: domain literals not
allowed.
This email is spam.
There are also loads of errors from a small number of senders like:
At certain times, seems Friday noontime, I am unable to shutdown the
system. Instead of the usual scripts to killing all processes, unmounting
everything and will now halt, goodby, I get:
process running pstree (or something like that)
shutdown aborted
At this point, the system (or at
At certain times, seems Friday noontime, I am unable to shutdown the system.
Instead of the usual scripts to killing all processes, unmounting everything
and will now halt, goodby, I get:
process running pstree (or something like that)
shutdown aborted
At this point, the system (or at least
Considering getting one of these because it has ISA slots (maybe the only
P4/DDR board around that has them!). Businesses buy them to keep legacy HW.
Are there any Debian issues with these boards?
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I have the mga card and also compiled the mga-vid driver. I can only get
mplayer to play dvds using the (slowest) x11 back-end. Mga-vid is supposed to
be better. How do I use it on a Debian Sid box?
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On Tuesday 20 April 2010 16:04:39 David Baron wrote:
On Sunday 18 April 2010 21:13:18 David Baron wrote:
On Sunday 18 April 2010 15:58:19 Aioanei Rares wrote:
On 04/18/2010 03:32 PM, David Baron wrote:
Neither normal reportbug or the reportbug-ng can connect to debian
bts right now
On Sunday 18 April 2010 21:13:18 David Baron wrote:
On Sunday 18 April 2010 15:58:19 Aioanei Rares wrote:
On 04/18/2010 03:32 PM, David Baron wrote:
Neither normal reportbug or the reportbug-ng can connect to debian
bts right now.
Is there something wrong there?
Some recent Sid
Neither normal reportbug or the reportbug-ng can connect to debian bts
right now.
Is there something wrong there?
Some recent Sid upgrade zapped access?
Cannot really keep system up-to-date without access to debian bts.
If I attempt to access a bug report in a browser by :
On Sunday 18 April 2010 15:58:19 Aioanei Rares wrote:
On 04/18/2010 03:32 PM, David Baron wrote:
Neither normal reportbug or the reportbug-ng can connect to debian bts
right now.
Is there something wrong there?
Some recent Sid upgrade zapped access?
Cannot really keep system up
Neither normal reportbug or the reportbug-ng can connect to debian bts right
now.
Is there something wrong there?
Some recent Sid upgrade zapped access?
Cannot really keep system up-to-date without access to debian bts.
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~$ sudo /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start
Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group 20 Incorrect number of
arguments
failed!
After latest upgrade. Anyone have a quick fix?
Which upgrade
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~$ sudo /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start
Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group 20 Incorrect number
of arguments
failed!
After latest upgrade. Anyone have a quick fix?
Yes :
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~$ sudo /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start
Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group 20 Incorrect number
of arguments
failed!
After latest upgrade. Anyone have a quick fix?
Yes :
On my Debian Sid box, get:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/share/reportbug-ng/rnggui.py, line 205, in
lineedit_return_pressed
buglist = bts.get_bugs(query)
File /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/debianbts.py, line 184, in get_bugs
reply = server.get_bugs(*key_value)
File
~$ sudo /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start
Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group 20 Incorrect number of
arguments
failed!
After latest upgrade. Anyone have a quick fix?
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The time has come for the open source nvidia drivers to get full Debian
support. Nvidia is still publishing purported upgraded legacy drivers
that will only work on legacy Xorg with no warning.
Do
According to every story I've read, Nouveau is constantly improving.
In fact, it was merged into 2.6.33.
So it was. Now that was release notes I really should have read.
I will go into make menuconfig and enable the module and maybe give the
old card one more try. Need something
due to a discussion of git I would like to know which of the
numerous git-packages I have to
install on lenny when I want to use git in my local environment.
Minimum:
git-core
Reasonable
git-doc
gitk
If you use svn
git-svn
For more:
$ aptitude search git
I have
The time has come for the open source nvidia drivers to get full Debian
support. Nvidia is still publishing purported upgraded legacy drivers that
will only work on legacy Xorg with no warning. Their installation should
kick, the site should warn before download. This is an old story, royal
On my Debian Sid with KDE SC4.4.1 from experimental snapshots (the problem
predates this upgrade.), I find that soon after KDE startup, ALL kde stuff
plus anything run from the menus is niced to 19! This renders things all but
unusable. There may be things I want niced but that is MY choice.
The good old parental control problem. How might one control user login
times and periods using pam (or polkit)?
So I put an appropriate line in /etc/security/time.conf
This had no effect.
So I placed in /etc/pam.d/kdm session required pam_time.so
This prevented ALL logins, likely
The good old parental control problem. How might one control user login times
and periods using pam (or polkit)?
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The good old parental control problem. How might one control user login times
and periods using pam (or polkit)?
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Does Debian plain vanilla kernel run well on Asus MBs (P!V 2.6ghz, etc)?
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On Monday 15 February 2010 21:52:38 Aioanei Rares wrote:
David Baron wrote:
Does Debian plain vanilla kernel run well on Asus MBs (P!V 2.6ghz, etc)?
Hi David,
Please be more specific so someone can help : is there a certain type of
ASUS motherboard that you want to buy/use? I gather
Approximately every hour, I get log entries like:
an 28 13:47:59 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device
eth0
Jan 28 13:48:29 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device
eth0
Jan 28 13:50:00 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device
eth0
As
I'm unable to identify which package contains e2defrag. Please advise.
b...@monster:~% apt-file search e2defrag
b...@monster:~%
No such file in stable, backports, testing, unstable, or experimental.
I've never heard of such a utility, either.
It should be noted that fragmentation is
Approximately every hour, I get log entries like:
Jan 28 13:47:59 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device
eth0
...
Sometimes, it will stay disconnected (the above reconnected). I need to
manually ifup eth0. I reinstated a cron job to check and do this like I had
when I
Approximately every hour, I get log entries like:
an 28 13:47:59 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device eth0
Jan 28 13:48:29 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device eth0
Jan 28 13:50:00 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device eth0
Jan 28
Made the switch from an old and slow ADSL modem running pptp to a router quite
painlessly. Had to have ddclient use a web interface to get the IP number
since this is now hidden inside the router. Works fine.
I had the network disconnect. Using pptp, I had a cron job to reconnect if
need be
On Sunday 20 December 2009 22:56:06 David Baron wrote:
I have had problems with zillions of mouse message errors choking my /var
partitions with multi-gigabyte syslog and daemon.logs. This cripples Xorg
paralyzing KDE, KDM, and the only way to get on is from ssh outside, delete
those files
For ever, I was getting a bootup message that by hostname was illegal. After
that, everything, I mean everything, worked with that hostname 100%
As of the latest upgrades off Sid, the illegal hostname is no longer accepted
by the system and there is then no hostname and many things do not like
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 23:21:21 debian-user-digest-
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12.2 MB vs 12.5 MB? much much smaller? Why do you consider 300 KB to be
much much smaller?
My kernel.deb is 1.5 MB and my vmlinuz is 1.2 MB. That is much much
smaller. ;) I've only done custom
Rerunning lilo did fix it. Time was that the postintall checked lilo.conf and
ran as a matter of course. At least let me say no if I happen to prefer
grub.
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Built kernel 2.6.32.3. Get 2.6.32EBDA too big, overlaps lilo 2nd stage image
or something like that. This is a non-initrd kernel.
Do I have to go back to an initrd (stopped using it because of all those yaird
problems)?
Or is there a lilo parameter I can increase to make room?
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Built kernel 2.6.32.3. Get 2.6.32EBDA too big, overlaps lilo 2nd stage
image or something like that. This is a non-initrd kernel.
Do I have to go back to an initrd (stopped using it because of all
On Saturday 12 September 2009 09:54:58 bobik wrote:
this might help
in /etc/rc.firewall change LC_ALL=US to LC_ALL=en_US
or delete US and leave only LC_all=
restart firewall by ./rc.firewall
BTW using guarddog again will undo the changes
OK.
Anyway to fix guarddog (this outdate,
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 19:14:39 Dave Witbrodt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what's the size of your kernel image file? I
also use lilo and no initrd. I'm using 2.6.31.1 with Lenny and have not
run into any boot problems yet.
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12781374 Oct 29 18:11
On Tuesday 22 December 2009 17:25:55 debian-user-digest-
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I had a problem with my (small) disk filling up and crashing my mail
server. So, I wrote a simple perl script to take the output of 'df -h'
and look for a % full that is greater than 97% and send me an
I have had problems with zillions of mouse message errors choking my /var
partitions with multi-gigabyte syslog and daemon.logs. This cripples Xorg
paralyzing KDE, KDM, and the only way to get on is from ssh outside, delete
those files and reboot. I have succeeded in fixing things before it was
This sporadic mouse message onslaught fills up my /var partition and brings
Xorg to a grinding halt. The system is still working. I can log in remotely,
delete the multit-gigabyte syslog and daemon.log files. However, kdm cannot be
restarted leaving reboot the only answer.
How might I kill and
Get warning not supported in current kernel.
I did nothing in making 2.6.32 to disable (or enable) this.
Deprecated?
Needed?
Bug?
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Getting a lot of warnings about this on recent udev upgrades. I tried
substituting in some of the rules files but might have caused problems. Fact
is that this was tested with the recent broken udev and problems were (also?)
from udev itself.
Should ATTR be simply substituted for SYSFS?
Low-end HP ink-jets are problematic since the mechanism is in the cartridge.
After experimenting with hplip setup parameters to try to fix some color
problems, I cannot get back to the former, default settings. While the GUI
shows everything as default values, I am in some strange printing
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