On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:12:47AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> if people felt this was a concern, perhaps a process for voluntarily
> "declaring an interest" could be worked out.
>
> I should stress that I have no concerns about anyone I know, but in the
> interest
except for an important production service - I'd install stretch
over jessie with no hesitation. *Especially* on a throw-away VM or spare laptop
(in fact I have done so on several of both, many times, in the last few weeks).
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pointed out in some replies, the discrepancies you are seeing are
consistent with comparing a MB (SI unit) with a MiB (base 2, e.g. 1KiB =
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, after all).
I still use lighttpd for my main web server but I've been investigating
nginx for my home NAS web server (which does much more proxying to web
apps inside containers and suchlike, rather than serving content itself).
I found some limitations with lighttpd's reverse-proxyi
t used apache2 myself for many years (and
looking back, having since used things like lighttpd and more recently nginx,
the configuration language is much worse; stockholm syndrome whilst I was a
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before the logging services have a chance to commit the
logs to disk, hence my suggestions to fire it over the network instead.
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bug.
Thank you for wanting to make Debian better!
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ause the default configuration will accept and store mail
for some aliases in /var/mail/, which might be / and could fill up
without the admin noticing, especially if legitimate users have mail moved
elsewhere (e.g. ~/Maildir)
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above. But that ball should probably start rolling on the debian-project list.
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still including HP, I haven't checked) provide or host
Debian's infrastructure today.
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have some packages
from backports that won't be auto-updated and likewise jessie-updates. I
found /var/log/unattended-upgrades useful to establish this.
I do not know what is wrong with Gregor's setup.
If you Lisi revisit this and it doesn't work, I could try to help.
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for system administrator and
> distribution authors.
{systemctl,journalctl,etc.} --user beg to differ.
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:57:35PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 06:37:03PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > Red Hat employees do have significant involvement in Fedora. This is true.
> > May I ask, what model would you prefer?
>
> Both, actually.
You
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 06:44:08PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Describing Fedora as 'community-driven' distribution is a gross
> oversimplification. It's not that I disagree with initial assessment -
> they don't sell you Debian stable like Red Hat does for RHEL.
Red Hat employees do have significant inv
f SMF, ignores Upstart being adopted by RHEL and seems to carry a bit of an
agenda elsewhere, not least by eliding systemd entirely. I would not rely on
it in isolation.
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ebian Developers voted, as listed here
https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003_voters.txt
All this stuff is in the open for anyone to read and catch up on. I
hope you find it enlightening.
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The best kind of correct, and not splitting hairs at all, since Fedora and
RHEL are not the same thing.
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sn't. It was in Fedora before RHEL.
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svinit instead, what blockers remain?
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more than one -
> systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.
That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.
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oo!"
I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
had to do.
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terminii to other parts of the rail network.
That's an interesting, if historical, explanation. These days York is definitely
up from London.
(Writing from Newcastle, up from London and York.)
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onsider jessie now and an upgrade to stretch later, yes.
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dates since then).
But you might tire of playing whack'a'mole with missing .deb dependencies with
the above technique: it's hard to say how many there might be or how long this
process might take, to weigh up whether to do this or just reinstall.
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solution.
> at a certain point you must simply wash
> your hands of them. It's not nice, but it *is* constructive.
"Washing your hands" is deleting the thread and moving on; it's not posting
aggressive, toxic messages.
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a) the whole list is small and vocal, unfortunately
b) killfiling on an individual basis (which I do) does not improve the quality
of the list for others (nor Debian's reputation)
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k will be required, even if that's not
necessarily true. The problem is a mismatch between the name and function of
that installer. It's a very real problem due to the confusion it causes. I'm
just not sure yet what best to do about it.
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We're now as bad as each other. Hopefully the matter can rest.
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top or both of them.
It's both, but you are right, perhaps we can improve our documentation to
reflect this.
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to some other communities.
> We neither expect nor demand that Windows be installable by all and sundry,
> from scratch, on an empty machine.
I don't understand what you mean here; is Windows a mistake, or are you making
a comparison of Windows to Debian, or to Ubuntu? Your intent is lost to me.
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On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:18:57AM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote:
> Cc: Jonathan Dowland
Please do not mail me directly, I am subscribed to the list. I put this
prominently in my email signature. I also set Mail-Followup-To (MFT[1])
accordingly. Consider switching to a mailer that supports
ment an unskippable part of the installation, unless you chose
> that advanced "base system" would be very user friendly, particularly for
> noobs.
That would presume that the majority of users of the installer wanted to
install a desktop environment. This is not necessarily true even
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:47:01AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> /etc/apt/sources.list is obvious, but where is the data about contents of
> each DVD stored?
/var/cache/apt/* I believe
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On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 09:54:42AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> gedit has caused me to have to start over again, 3 times, on a 600+ line
> configuration file for machine control on several occasions. As the file
> it trashed was 6 months worth of adding new features to that machines
> control, t
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up system based on Git
> (probably not good for whole-system backups, but likely workable for
> homedir backups), but I haven't come across such a thing yet.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/bup
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> This is a well-known joke (and advert):
>
> http://www.taobackup.com/
>
> but does touch briefly on most backup issues.
Great to see someone else recommending this, I do too :)
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 01:50:02PM -0700, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> +1
If you're talking about my kill-file, it's actually +2 from this thread
so far.
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n for manual
package selection; so you can use that to set things as you want them during
the install.
Everyone gets their cake and can eat it!
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>various backup topics on -user, too...) and I didn't think to supply -S to
> >rsync.
>
> -S is for sparse files.
Sorry, you are right. I did not use -S nor -H, so sparse files would be
expanded,
and hard links re-referenced in my copy. I'm not sure which (or both) were
topics on -user, too...) and I didn't think to supply -S to
rsync.
The real test will be how long an incremental catch-up will take in the future.
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thread)
> This document is dated and doesn't cover LUKS, but does indicate that blocks
> 1-62 were used for "GRUB stage 1.5":
>
> http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/disk/
Yes, that was what I thought.
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interface, and do what it does.
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e having enough code to initialise some
stuff and then jump to the next stage.
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ace eth0 inet dhcp', etc.
then restart NetworkManager (systemctl restart NetworkManager.service)
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ot;archive.debian.org" would appear to be multi-hosted in some fashion, I got a
certificate warning for klecker.debian.org (neither klecker nor gretchaninov's
certificates seem to have subjectAltNames for archive.debian.org)
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Otherwise investigate Sieve as others have said.
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ate people use gddrescue instead, rather
than cp etc., since (unlike cp, cat, dd, etc.) gddrescue is very careful
about which blocks it has read, can do retries, keeps a log file, can be
interrupted and resumed safely, and can recover data from failing devices.
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md/system
override scheme instead.
The techniques that others in this thread have mentioned for partially
overriding or supplanting an existing system file go some way to
redress this.
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on't like systemd (why is unimportant to this query)
It would be better if we stuck to that.
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ot;ip" has no such limitations.
I've found my own brain to have a similar limitation, and find interface
aliases useful for clarity even when I have ip(8) available.
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On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 09:57:23PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Let us know, I'm curious :-)
Me too, this is remarkable.
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n end-user perspective): each database is just a different
> file. There's also a GUI called 'sqlitebrowser' which is in Debian,
> but I've never used that.
Another vote for SQLite. "sqlitebrowser" is pretty good, IMHO, not
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> > P.S. Not _this_(http://swift-lang.org/) swift.
> >
>
> Ah okay, well, there is some intent, at least.
Well, there was. The bug has been re-titled "RFP" (Request For Package)
due to inactivity from the ITP filer. So, there's currently no recorded
effort to pack
o in use.
What, exactly, do you do to start synaptic? Click on something, or run a command
in a terminal? What prompts you for a password? What version of synaptic do you
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do with a rewrite IMHO)
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ke rsync, which means no duplicate UUIDs, you aren't spending
time copying sectors that aren't referenced, the SSD gets fewer write cycles
and it can be interrupted and resumed. Or pvmove in some cases.
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Yes, I think that might actually be easier than wrangling with Debian
packaging, especially if the user is not already familiar with it.
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 03:54:22AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> I forgot to hold the non-broken mc version 4.8.17 before upgrading, so want
> to revert to the older packages in the cache:
> # ll /var/cache/apt/archives/mc*
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 510906 May 8 2016 mc_3%3a4.8.17-1_amd64.deb
> -rw
restores are of the last backup. The scheme it uses
for increments is quite simple, well documented and third party tools exist
to manipulate it, which gives me confidence.
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> Subject: Re: Rie4wudu
That looks a *lot* like the output of pwgen.
I strongly recommend using a password manager :)
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call, the fixed-size mouse settings window (and all the
preferences windows) is a design decision, I'm afraid.
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On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 11:07:39AM +0100, Alessandro T. wrote:
> echo -e '1\u0336'
>
> and with mlterm, pterm, rxvt and xterm I got, rightly, strikethrough 1.
> Instead with evilvte, gnome-terminal, lilyterm, lxterminal, sakura,
> terminator, terminix, termit, vala-terminal and xfce4-terminal (my
fied
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852316
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> Search for a bugreport for libfm-extra4.
Do you mean to suggest that you know that this bug is confirmed to exist
in Debian and has already been reported?
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there which launches emacs as you wish (probably prefixed with 'exec' and
suffixed with "$@". Use this approach instead of shell aliases.
Don't forget to set it +x
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> Because man page says so? Because fsck's job is to check fs?
> Don't know what systemd interferes at all.
See systemd-fsck(8).
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in the "post-up" stanza for usb0, e.g.
post-up brctl addif br0 usb0
(and possibly corresponding for pre-down) but I have lost the specifics.
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I'd label the swap partition "swap"
(by adding "-L" in the mkswap invocation), use LABEL=swap in the fstab and set
that in *all* of the fstabs for each installed OS.
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days it's TexLive instead.
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> So I will file the bug under 'kdm' (although I'm not sure that is
> strictly correct).
That's fine, if it turns out the problem isn't in kdm the bug can be easily
reassigned to another package. I think finding the right package shoul
at that other layer so you wouldn't need (local) RAID either, either LVM or MD
based, IMHO.
You don't explain why you chose to use LVM RAID over mdadm, but as I said, I
wouldn't use either in your case.
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On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 10:27:50PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> shellworld.net the shell service where I do most of my internet work is
> using Ubuntu.
> For reasons that I find rather confusing spam assassin is well no longer
> filtering at the level it did previously.
> Has something happened
tly on the
disks, and put LVM on top of the MD virtual block devices.
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On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:46:55AM +, Brian wrote:
> genisoimage -o out.iso file1 file2 .
I'd echo this, use genisoimage, but read the man page first, you will almost
certainly want to also use the -J and -r arguments too.
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suggest installing and enabling unattended-upgrades iiwy.
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On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 01 December 2016 15:30:12 emetib wrote:
[use sudo]
> The last time I tried that, some years ago, it demanded the old passwd
> first. I think that was about Red Hat 7.1's day. I'd been using it since
> 1998 and 5.0.
>
> >
From what I recall, raspbian's default user is in the sudoers file by default
too.
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ww.mini-itx.com/store/?c=105 - this is a Pineview based board, so an
older generation than even Bay Trail, but it's a 5x gigabit LAN set up. This
vendor do a newer Braswell bundle but only 2x NIC.
[4]
https://linitx.com/product/cfi-a2060-miniitx-nasserver-case-2-hot-swap-bays/13404
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 03:40:22PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> But digging into this a little, it seems to be an argument order issue.
...and all of my ISOs now read fine without the RR warnings. I haven't
double-checked
the docs, if you state that the argument order of -read_fs / -
dr=, flag=)
at xorriso/opts_d_h.c:122
#5 0x00431fc1 in Xorriso_interpreter (xorriso=0x77e21010, argc=5,
argv=0x0, idx=0x7fffe424, flag=255,
flag@entry=2) at xorriso/parse_exec.c:1389
#6 0x00403dd2 in main (argc=5, argv=0x820150) at
xorriso/xorriso_main.c:265
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 09:46:16PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> If they demonstrate the Rock Ridge read error despite -read_fs "norock",
> then they might help to solve the riddle.
Yes the do. I'm just about to mail you privately with a URL to one.
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bly can).
> > I have four ISOs which are recordings from TV made with a DVD writer
> > appliance,
>
> That's probably UDF filesystems. Interesting anayways.
Good catch: you are right, they are. Are they interesting enough for me to
put them online somewhere?
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 03:29:54PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I'm wondering if my hand-built modern xorriso is linking against my old
> system libisofs.
> I am doing some investigation.
I can't see any .so files in my xorriso build directory, but ldd does not show
t
me reason I am missing the ddrescue log file for this rip, which is
frustrating, I will
re-rip it next time I'm at my office.
> If so: Do you still see the error message
> "Damaged RR/SUSP information."
I'm afraid so yes.
I'm wondering if my hand-built modern x
putting words in your mouth. I did not mean to mis-represent what
you think; but looking back at what you wrote, it very much *looks* like how I
interpreted it. It seemed a perfect illustration of the problem, to me, at
least.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 06:39:18PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 November 2016 15:18:14 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > Your answer highlights the problem, although it's not quite what you said:
> > the pay-off is, better docs! Which are very important.
>
> I s
much
as the programs themselves; the question is, how important? Unfortunately,
many people think nowhere near as important, hence nobody being prepared
to pay for it.
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