Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-14 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > ask questions anyway. But I, and I imagine many of my DD colleagues, are > particularly interested in ensuring -user is a useful resource for our users, > and by filtering out people, we don't get a clear picture of just how broken > the list is. There is a lot of tole

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-14 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:50:32 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Joey Hess writes: >> >> > So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject. >> >> And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired of >>

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote: >> Bas Wijnen writes: >>> Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to >>> be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7). >>> This has not happened. >>

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Matthias Urlichs writes: > But please don't just do this in the context of yet another attempt to > express dissatisfaction with the fact that our TC chose systemd: > if you do, I do not think you'll achieve anything except more annoyance > about the fact that we're discussing this *again*, and f

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Joey Hess writes: > So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject. And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired of thinking about it? > Secondly, Russ Allbrey did an amazing job during the -ctte decision of > weighing systemd vs the alternatives. Has any of this

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Matthias Urlichs writes: > Hi, > > lee: >> I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst >> the users (here). > > We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian > members/maintainers/developers/take-your-pick. I didn&#x

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > Presto: All dissent is fud. Perfectly said, thank you! That the issue isn't entirely clear lies in the nature of the issue. If you are a good admin, you know how to deal with such issues. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swal

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > And, in fact, more and more ISPs are just accepting and discarding > emails to non-existent users because rejecting such email helps spammers > (any non-rejected email must be a valid user). That's totally retarded. When I don't get an error message in return, the messag

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-13 Thread lee
Brian writes: > The mail is accepted. What the recipient does with the mail after that > is outside the scope of an RFC. There is no obligation on the recipient > to inform the sender that he has ripped up the mail and junked it. When the MTA delivers the mail it accepted correctly, then there i

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: >> On 10/12/2014 9:56 AM, lee wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no >>> way I can help you. >> >> I'm not asking what the difference is

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Anti-spam routines Who prevents a MUA from having an MX record and sending a HELO that matches the RDNS entry? And what are these "other things" you're referring to? -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemon

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > lee writes: > > [...] > > Thanks for the tips. > >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > >> That's an invalid helo string. > > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2821#section-4.1.1.1 I

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Martin Read writes: > >> On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: >>> Harry Putnam writes: >>> >>>> Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? >>> >>> Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. >> >&

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? > snip >> Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the >> format is the same on all of mine. So still should stand as something

MTAs denying messages (was: Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > (But in this case, absolutely requiring a response would be building a > DOS and potential privacy vulnerability into the message > infrastructure. The RFCs really should be stored with a summary of > relevant comments.) Could you explain how an MTA would create a privacy vul

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Bas Wijnen writes: > [Moving this to -project, where it belongs; please follow up only > there, not on -user or -devel.] > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote: >> Why doesn't Debian just do a GR on this issue? > > Because for a GR, a member of De

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 16:01:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >> The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and I > > In addition, the tech-ctte took special precautions to make sure their > decision is over-ridable by simple majority (50% + 1), des

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: >> And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him >> that their message hasn't been delivered? > > The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've > recently been

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
david...@ling.ohio-state.edu writes: > Or, in other words, threads deemed off-topic by listmaster@l.d.o may > be frozen, or locked. It's just another very short-sighted thing because depending on the viewpoint expressed, the post may be off-topic or not. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking

piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and I > cannot think of any example of a more transparent decision making process in > any other Linux community. Not only that, but the entire decision could be > overridden by a GR, which *any* de

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
When something is antiquated or junk, becomes a troubleshooting problem or leaves room for mockery, or sucks, then there is no reason not to say it. Straining to bend everything into a stream of euphemisms is counterproductive, and nobody can know what is being talked about because it's buried un

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > pingaddr=8.8.8.8 > pingaddr=192.168.100.96 Why is this is defined multiple times? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> Well, who can afford that? Someone who can doesn't need to swap >> drives. > > I've upgraded the drive capacity in machines on multiple occasions > because drives have gotten cheaper... but we don

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > Hi. > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 03:20:50 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> > The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of >> > the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel >> > modules for video and wireless hardware

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: >> Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, >> as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. > > Threads which are off topic for debian-user may be filtered out by > listmas...@lists.debian.org, regard

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI writes: > On 10/10/2014 10:20 PM, lee wrote: >>> The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of >>> the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel >>> modules for video and wireless hardware among others. >> S

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/8/2014 8:42 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> On 10/6/2014 7:30 PM, lee wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >>>> >>>>> For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least t

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. > Did the Authentication work or fail? > > [NOTE: Just for the information, my lan is a fake one 2xd.{local.lan} was > just invented right > out of thin air some yrs ago] >

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >>>> >>>>>>dc_relay_nets >>>>>> A list of

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > 3) User Alice goes away, but keeps her session in place, locking the > screen. > > 4) User Bob logs in another X session. How does Bob log in while the screen is locked? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a sub

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638 Ah, this is a wonderful example :) My assumptions about the code were right. Does all/most of systemd look like that? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- T

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list > B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated. It would be against RFC-821 to silently drop messages. -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-10 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > It's been a while since I dealt with lvm snapshots but they are > available as I guess block devices somehow, you might have to google to > find out how to get the exact path to the snapshot. When I put a snapshot onto a block device, it should be available just like the b

alternative file systems (was: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot)

2014-10-10 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > I'm having very good results using their repo and DKMS system to build > support into kernel modules. It's very easy to set up. I'm using it > with Linux 3.2.0. Does it work with Debians 3.16 kernels? > The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of > the kernel per

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-10 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> Don Armstrong writes: >> > Doesn't matter. It just has to be a block device that you can add as >> > a physical volume to the volume group. >> >> Isn't a logical volume of a volume group

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-10 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > You can copy with dd from the snapshot to another block device or a > file. That file can be on the same computer or you can get it to > another computer by using netcat, NFS, rsync etc. Well, yes, if I could make a snapshot in the first place ... -- Hallowed are the De

Re: Fwd: Re: cron in UTC?

2014-10-09 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> Tony van der Hoff writes: >> >> > GMT/BST; I just want cron to trigger tasks at a fixed time each day, >> > regardless of localtime. >> >> man cron: >> >>It is

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Richard Owlett writes: > I'm aware of "Securing Debian Manual". I'm looking for more an > introductory document. I'm not sure what you're looking for. It's a good idea to have at least a good basic understanding about how a firewall works before you set one up. From there, you could look at to

Re: Fwd: Re: cron in UTC?

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Tony van der Hoff writes: > GMT/BST; I just want cron to trigger tasks at a fixed time each day, > regardless of localtime. man cron: It is possible to use different time zones for crontables. See crontab(5) for more information. man 5 crontab: The CRON_TZ variable spec

implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: >> 2014/09/25 9:15 "lee" : >> >>> Joel Rees writes: >> >> >> Hmm. So linkage is a result of complexity, > > What is complexity? > > Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\ > >> and implicity is a result of &g

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>>>dc_relay_nets >>>> A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost. >>>> >>>> That looks ideal, doesn't it? >>&g

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/6/2014 7:30 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the >>> recommendation), while MTAs always use port 25. Additionally, MUAs >>> should always be

Re: Fvwm.... this actually didn't work........

2014-10-08 Thread lee
me? If you want only some to show up, you'll need to maintain your own menu(s). Following your discussion, I've added the Debian autogenerated menu to https://github.com/lee-/fvwm --- you could add your own menu the same way. Plain and simple, I didn't use functions to upd

Re: git: how to figure out with a script what the last commit on remote repo is without fetching it

2014-10-08 Thread lee
"Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)" writes: > On 06/09/14 06:04, lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> how would I figure out what the last commit to a remote repo was without >> first fetching or pulling the remote repo? > > $ git ls-remote origin > > ... will show you t

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: > On 10/07/2014 11:41 PM, lee wrote: > > Transferring data via network is also my favorite means of > "transportation". On the other hand, my connection has an upload speed > of about 70 KiB/sec and is therefore not suited for transferring medium >

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-10-08 Thread lee
softwatt writes: > Perhaps we should suggest an xscreensaver update, where the capslock > status and the current language are shown next to the password input. > This should be trivial to implement. +NumLock, and correct handling of NumLock A password starting with a tilde can yield strange res

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > with lxlock, and after switching to i3lock with the -i option, I found > it a great locker for *any* wm/de. Just be careful with outdated versions of i3lock when NumLock comes into play. -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists

Re: how to force chronyd to be online after booting

2014-10-07 Thread lee
Philippe Clérié writes: > On 09/27/2014 07:17 AM, lee wrote: >> Hm, you don't use UPSs? > > :-) > > It's a long story. I'll make it short: I'm in Haiti. Grid power is an > iffy proposition. > > :-) > > So we have to have heavy backups. That

Re: SDD I/O very low < 10% normal

2014-10-07 Thread lee
KS writes: > In the BIOS, the SATA ports are set to IDE. Should they be set to AHCI > instead? (third option is RAID). AHCI When set to IDE, only a smaller feature set will be supported. -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-10-07 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/30/2014 01:40 AM, lee wrote: > > [...] > >> I think I figured it out: The USB stuff was actually going to sleep and >> remained unresponsive once it fell asleep, until a reboot. I used >> powertop to disable the power management for USB

Re: how to force chronyd to be online after booting

2014-10-07 Thread lee
Dieter Deyke writes: >> On 09/26/2014 06:31 PM, lee wrote: >>> is there an easy way to force chronyd to get into/remain in its online >>> mode rather than going into offline mode? > > I had the same problem. My workaround was to run the following python

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the > recommendation), while MTAs always use port 25. Additionally, MUAs > should always be validated with signon/password, to prevent the server > from becoming an open relay. 1: You would have to requir

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> So it would have to be at least a partition? I don't have one free ... >> I could use the swap partition temporarily for something like that. > > Doesn't matter. It just has to be a block device that you ca

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Brian Candler writes: >> The volume group concept is for grouping the *disks*, so you can treat >> a group of disks with similar properties as a >> interchangeable. So it makes more sense to have volume groups for >> e.g. "15krpm" and "SSD". Or you can just have one big volume group, >> which m

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > Those who think Exim is easy to configure for a secure system don't > understand it. Exim is very easy to configure. Did you ever try to configure sendmail? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: >>dc_relay_nets >> A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost. >> >> That looks ideal, doesn't it? >> >> > > Right. But he's not running multiple MTAs - he only has the one, as he > already indicated. Does it make a difference for this setting whet

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> The first question - why do you think you need to relay to other >> networks, even if they're your own? Do you have other SMTP servers >> running on those networks? > > Good question and apparently thee is no reason. It stemmed from a deep > se

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > You are only making the setup more complicated. You generally only need > one MTA on the network. When you don't have an MTA on every machine, then how do you make sure that messages generated there (e. g. by cron jobs) can be delivered? -- Hallowed are the Debians!

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-05 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > I think you can pipe output of dd on the source to netcat, going to a netcat > on the destination machine which is piped to dd going to a device or file on > that machine. Hm, assuming that the volume group resides on /dev/sda3, I would have something like 'dd if=/dev/

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-05 Thread lee
PaulNM writes: > On 10/04/2014 04:09 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote: >>>> Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another >>>> machine? &g

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-05 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote: >> > Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another >> > machine? >> >> No > > You can, but not triviall

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-05 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > Zfsonlinux.org has info on using ZFS with debian. I create vm images > and snapshot them and clone the snapshots all the time. The clones are > writable and only use as much space as corresponds to the difference > from the source. The volumes have to be ZVOL s, not regular

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-04 Thread lee
"Karl E. Jorgensen" writes: > Hi > > On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> how can I create a LVM snapshot of a VM? >> >> >> root@heimdall:~# lvcreate -L 4G -s /dev/mapper/vg_guests-lv_jarl -n >> lv_snap

lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-03 Thread lee
Hi, how can I create a LVM snapshot of a VM? root@heimdall:~# lvcreate -L 4G -s /dev/mapper/vg_guests-lv_jarl -n lv_snap_jarl /dev/mapper/vg_mydata Physical Volume "/dev/mapper/vg_mydata" not found in Volume Group "vg_guests" root@heimdall:~# There is no free space in 'vg_guests'. The only

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-10-01 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > We had an operating system, somebody vastly altered it, some of us see > the vast alterization basically breaking the software, and we bitched > about having someone, even though they're developers, break our > software. We didn't bitch about it, we made bug reports and the

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-10-01 Thread lee
Reco writes: > Hi. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:01AM +0200, lee wrote: >> Reco writes: >> >> > About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should >> > compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifical

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Stephen Allen writes: > So, Lee why are you even here complaining about Debian - You've admitted > you don't use it?! My server runs on Debian. So technically, I'm using it, and I don't feel like I'm using it. What difference does it make? Is there some sort

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: >> On 09/29/2014 12:56 AM, lee wrote: > > I cannot tell much about the reliability of SMART data in general but > should I see a lot of "bad" values suddenly appearing I would > immediately perform some additional backups and check the data more &g

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Chris Bannister writes: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:19:58PM +0200, lee wrote: >> >> Sure is, yet why tell me to make software nobody cares about. > > Maybe to keep you busy? Ah yes, that could be the reason :)) -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: sound recording

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Ста Деюс writes: > Доброго времени суток, Doug. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:32:38 -0400 вы писали: >> > I use debian jessie and sound recording in audacity or skype does >> > not work. > > [...] > > Same here. But before buying anything - that is not good in general, i > would sug

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Ansgar Burchardt writes: > lee writes: >> As I already said: try to get squid 2.7 started and stopped by systemd >> on a current Fedora installation. > > This is not the Fedora users list. And how is this relevant? Will Debian provide their own version of system

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Reco writes: > About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should > compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it > seems to be the main lee's concern). I didn't have a server back then --- and software to run on my computer which worked fine until so

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Mart van de Wege writes: > lee writes: > >> "Karl E. Jorgensen" writes: >> >>> * not doing "crazy things", like running backports or >>> testing/unstable [2], and no grabbing *.debs from weird places. >> >> Debian isn&#

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
PaulNM writes: > On 09/28/2014 05:25 PM, Joe wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:01:24 -0500 >> John Hasler wrote: >> >> >> An upgraded system is not necessarily identical to a new installation, > > [...] > > It's more that Debian tries not to change things unless you ask it to. > For example, if

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Chris Bannister writes: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38:18PM +0200, lee wrote: >> Ric Moore writes: >> >> > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: >> > >> >> Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for >> >> Debian? &g

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Reco writes: > What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your option? > I'm really curious as all multiarch complains I've seen so far (barring > actual package limits) were easily solved just by reading an appropriate > man page (or Debian wiki page). > And, IMO, Debian's current

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-29 Thread lee
Ansgar Burchardt writes: > If you don't want to use Debian then don't. But if you don't even want > to use it, making lots of complaints about it seems uncalled for... There is a difference between using something because it works and using something because you want to use it. In none of the c

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Ric Moore writes: > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > >> Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for >> Debian? > > For me, it's the safest way to install/upgrade. I have had too many > problems with interrupted live major migration to

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 > Chris Bannister wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > >> > Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions. >> > It's like spring cleaning, a

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Scott Ferguson writes: > On 28/09/14 04:49, lee wrote: >> Scott Ferguson writes: >> >>> On 26/09/14 07:34, lee wrote: >>>> Darac Marjal writes: >>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: &g

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
"Karl E. Jorgensen" writes: > * not doing "crazy things", like running backports or > testing/unstable [2], and no grabbing *.debs from weird places. Debian isn't as stable as you like to think. I am required to run the latest kernel from backports for otherwise my server will crash due to NF

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/27/2014 09:52 PM, lee wrote: >> Linux-Fan writes: >>> On 09/22/2014 03:23 AM, lee wrote: >>>> Linux-Fan writes: >>>>> On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote: >>>>>> Linux-Fan writes: >>>>>

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee: >> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: >> >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: >> >> > Again,

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee: >> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation? >> > Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change. >>

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee: >> Martin Read writes: >> > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 >> > >> > Your complaint about the inte

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Scott Ferguson writes: > On 28/09/14 06:13, lee wrote: >> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> >>> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: >>>> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: >>>>> Again, I consider it to be to

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 > > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd > developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your > complaint was also reason

Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Charlie writes: >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:20:27 +0200 lee mentioned this: >> >> Please check out [1] --- let me know if it works for you and how you >> like it. >> >> >> [1]: https://github.com/lee-/fvwm > >Hello Lee, > >

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: >> >> Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers >> of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of >> them, so obviously they don't want to

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: >> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers >> > of systemd to fix the issues it brings about.

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation? > Cause > what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change. I think I see why you think so. What makes you think that anything you or I could do would change anything? -- Knowledge i

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/22/2014 03:23 AM, lee wrote: >> Linux-Fan writes: >>> On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote: >>>> Linux-Fan writes: >>>>>> On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote: >> >> I've seen the smart info show incredib

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Scott Ferguson writes: > On 26/09/14 07:34, lee wrote: >> Darac Marjal writes: >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: >>>> >>>>> Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, without needing >>>&g

Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-27 Thread lee
>> Steve Litt writes: >> >> Because you use fvwm on a regular basis, you should write some >> documentation on it. Please check out [1] --- let me know if it works for you and how you like it. [1]: https://github.com/lee-/fvwm -- Knowledge is volatile and f

Re: how to force chronyd to be online after booting

2014-09-27 Thread lee
Philippe Clérié writes: >> On 09/26/2014 06:31 PM, lee wrote: >> >> So is there some simple way to just force chronyd to remain online? I >> think when there isn't an option for this, I'll just replace it with >> ntpd ... >> >> > > I&#

how to force chronyd to be online after booting

2014-09-26 Thread lee
Hi, is there an easy way to force chronyd to get into/remain in its online mode rather than going into offline mode? So far, the documentation I found says it'll go and remain offline when it can't reach a server. When that happens, it can only be put into online mode via chronyc. The startup s

Re: 24/7 servers and FSCK

2014-09-26 Thread lee
Muhammad Yousuf Khan writes: > important to run on boot but what i want to know if fsck process is that > critical do i need to run fsck manually. so that i can save my server from I wouldn't worry about it. I've had a server running for a longer time than the uptime counter took to flow over (

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-25 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: >> Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee: >> >> Fedora does already depend on systemd --- and I would say completely. >> Or do you see a choice here? > > And exactly *how* is this relevant to Debian? It is an example

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

2014-09-25 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:40:31PM +0200, lee wrote: >> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start >> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started. > > What init system are you using? the d

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-25 Thread lee
Darac Marjal writes: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: >> >> > Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, without needing >> > to use any of the existing shell scripts. >> >> That's how systemd makes the boot pro

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