Re: Can't get sound to work

2015-01-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/16/2015 04:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: snippage The symptoms are not the same as yours. aplay doesn't play sound when I select the PCM device on the command line. But, with audacity, if I explicitly select ALSA as output and device hw:1,0, sound comes out. So, I may have another problem that

Re: Can't get sound to work

2015-01-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/16/2015 02:56 PM, Robert Latest wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:43:23 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 03:54 PM, Hans wrote: First questions: Are you running pulseaudio or alsa? Did you try alsamixer? Often it is possible, to choose different hardware

Re: Can't get sound to work

2015-01-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/16/2015 03:51 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.01.2015 19:24, Robert Latest a écrit : On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:43:23 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 03:54 PM, Hans wrote: First questions: Are you running pulseaudio or alsa? I don't know. I

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/16/2015 12:32 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system

Re: Can't get sound to work

2015-01-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/15/2015 03:54 PM, Hans wrote: First questions: Are you running pulseaudio or alsa? Did you try alsamixer? Often it is possible, to choose different hardware in the GUI. Did you try other ones, too? Best He's got an asoundrc file in /etc. I thought that use was deprecated some years

Re: Directories changing their side when copied!

2015-01-14 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/14/2015 09:16 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all. I realized that the same directory, once copied onto vfat pendrive with `cp' or also `rsync', have a size (detected with `du') that doesn't match with the source. Different block sizes.

Re: Fwd: Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/13/2015 05:34 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday, January 12, 2015 11:54:54 PM Joel Rees did opine And Gene did reply: 2015/01/13 5:04 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com: On 01/12/2015 11:50 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You should learn from some REAL security experts, not the internet. Like

Re: unable to boot with systemd (works with sysvinit)

2015-01-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/13/2015 01:36 AM, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, Quoting Selim T. Erdoğan (2015-01-12 22:38:08) On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:33:36PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: I'm unable to boot my laptop with systemd which worked before. I'm unable to tell the changes I made since the last time it

Re: Fwd: Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/12/2015 11:50 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You should learn from some REAL security experts, not the internet. Like who? There are compromises all over the net, with consumer security files lying in the open like gutted bleeding fish. I don't think anyone is a REAL security expert,

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/12/2015 02:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: You all may wish to read this, from ars technica: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/1/ Very interesting. So interesting

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/11/2015 06:47 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: Iain M Conochie wrote: These increase in security as you go higher up the number. So (assuming the implementation is secure) my fingerprint (being something I am) is more secure than a password. Also, an ssh-key (being something I have) is more secure

Re: remove me from this list

2015-01-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/11/2015 08:09 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:30:03 +0100 Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Well that looks like spam. If a few people mark it as spam it will probably be removed from the archive. Lennart, HEY ! Welcome to the snake pit Back

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/10/2015 07:42 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 1/10/2015 12:24 AM, scott wrote: On 01/10/2015 12:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 1/9/2015 10:24 PM, scott wrote: On 01/09/2015 09:19 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 1/9/2015 8:49 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Martin

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-10 Thread Ric Moore
You all may wish to read this, from ars technica: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/1/ Very interesting. So interesting that I downloaded cudahashcat. I have 96 cuda cores, and it was running the sample program quickly as it tore into 6

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-09 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/09/2015 11:29 AM, Danny wrote: I am an Aircraft Engineer by trade not a Computer Scientist Have you considered that alone would make you a tasty bit to hack, and for that reason, if you have anything tasty on your machine, you REALLY need to clear it up soonest with a complete

Re: remove me from this list

2015-01-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/08/2015 02:54 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Talitha Thalya ravencoun...@gmail.com writes: My name was never meant to show up on a google search like this linked to Debian. and dated back in 2001 Not Ok it was meant to go to the cause. this is a misuse of trust. please remove me. name stated in

Re: Please stop systemd-fsck on _every_ boot!

2015-01-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/06/2015 07:23 PM, ~Stack~ wrote: I keep seeing all of these posts online saying how easy it is to disable systemd from runing fsck because it honors the '0' in the sixth field of /etc/fstab. Well that's just pure bull$h1t... That was one of the first things I tried some time ago. As far

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/06/2015 11:42 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 6. Januar 2015, 20:04:56 schrieb Danny: Hi guys, Hi Danny! A while ago I posted a question about SFTP (I think the thread name was SFTP Question) about attacks I got against my server after syslog warned me about an attempted

Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/03/2015 10:43 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: Mike Kupfer wrote: Ric Moore wrote: Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this. I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives. (Jessie, amd64, running Xfce.) I filed a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin

Re: How to undo Java installation and settings

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/03/2015 05:12 PM, Dalios wrote: On 01/03/2015 08:31 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 01/03/2015 03:06 AM, Dalios wrote: Hello all, a few days ago I had to install Java in a laptop in order for a web application to be able to function properly. I followed directions found in the internet (mostly

Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/04/2015 04:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 01/03/2015 10:43 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: Mike Kupfer wrote: Ric Moore wrote: Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this. I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives. (Jessie, amd64, running Xfce.) I filed

Re: Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore
Ric Moore wrote: Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this. I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives. (Jessie, amd64, running Xfce.) Jan 1 15:50:52 allegro kernel: [314184.131707] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem

Re: sig1-gr

2015-01-03 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/03/2015 03:06 AM, Dalios wrote: Hello all, a few days ago I had to install Java in a laptop in order for a web application to be able to function properly. I followed directions found in the internet (mostly the debian wiki and the Adobe download page). It would have been far easier to

Re: alternatives for a proprietary lib file

2015-01-03 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/03/2015 11:29 AM, Sam Halliday wrote: Hi all, I have a license for the Intel Math Kernel Library which has a file /opt/intel/mkl/lib/intel64/libmkl_rt.so that provides a lot of interfaces, such as BLAS/CBLAS (i.e. libblas.so.3) and LAPACK (i.e. liblapack.so.3). I'd like to be able

error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-02 Thread Ric Moore
Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this. I'm finding almost zip using google. Basically, it seems automount is looking for something that doesn't exist. I think it's related to blueray but removal of libbluray rips out half the system as depends. Anyone have a clue towards

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS

2014-12-31 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/31/2014 02:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Really, your expectations are unrealistic, especially since you don't know my clients, their business, their employees' qualifications and a whole lot of other things about them. But, they will pay money out to go distro shopping, reconfiguring

Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-30 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/31/2014 12:25 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 30/12/14 06:47 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit : Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country. seem that your real concern

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a Debian User list. Why don't you want bugs which affect Debian users discussed here? And that's what I have seen here - at least until you started complaining about the thread. I don't think I'm the only one complaining about this Saint

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-29 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/29/2014 08:51 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/29/2014 1:27 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/29/2014 06:44 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/29/2014 1:22 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-28 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/28/2014 10:58 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/28/2014 5:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2014 00:20:20 Celejar wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:02:52 -0500 Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/2014 1:23 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11:26 -0500,

Re: USB drive mounted Read-only; what to do ?

2014-12-21 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/21/2014 04:31 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On one hand I don't think it's such a big burden to use su/do or similar for this type of operation, on the other hand it's slightly easier to pick the wrong device and destroy your data. Andrei, the issue of IF the pen-drive was automounted on

Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/19/2014 02:42 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 12/19/2014 02:22 PM, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again

Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Don't forget to have a Merry christmas! Chris, I'm looking forward to a change in my meds! Merry

Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/16/2014 11:41 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:57 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would

Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/17/2014 07:43 PM, Charlie wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Ric Moore sent: snip Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric

Re: Flash problems

2014-12-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/16/2014 10:25 AM, maderios wrote: On 12/16/2014 11:47 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: wget https://vandervlis.nl/files/libflashplayer.so 32-bits: wget https://vandervlis.nl/files/libflashplayer32.so mv libflashplayer32.so libflashplayer.so Warning This is an unknow link... :-(

Re: making sound work in Jessie - how?

2014-12-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/13/2014 09:40 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20141213_1926-0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/13/2014 06:43 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: What packages should I make sure are properly installed? pavucontrol is usually missed. You need it to admin pulse. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/14/2014 04:38 PM, John Hasler wrote: berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. In the USA as well. The normal wall outlets are 110 but 220 is brought into the house and used for things like stoves. The power utility's transformer has a 220V

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
Is it just me or on an ext4 file system when was the last time anyone had an fsck? It's been ages since I last had one. Inquiring minds, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 07:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say : Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Is this typical use, or

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 07:28 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.12.2014 20:38, Ric Moore a écrit : On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions

Re: Two monitors on a Matrox G450.

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 09:34 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: From: Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:37:09 -0500 Is this in a desktop machine? Can you remove the board? If so, is there a window nearby? Then, open the window and throw that board out. :) Will aim for a recycling bin

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 06:30 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:07:03 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we could consider a standard for home computer that it runs on 110V with less than X amount of watts? Except that for the greater part of the world it would

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions and classifications, of what is, and, what has been, and, of what should be. Do you suppose Debian has become refuge

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/11/2014 11:33 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Well... this model is still very used in enterprises. I do not speak about those old mainframes which are still bought by very huge corporations (at least, I've heard so) Huh? :D Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:

Re: Two monitors on a Matrox G450.

2014-12-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/11/2014 10:40 AM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: A CRT monitor and an IBM flat monitor are connected to a Matrox G450 adapter. Please, I am not trying to be rude here. cackles but here it comes... Is this in a desktop machine? Can you remove the board? If so, is there a window nearby? Then,

Re: Bridging and VLANs?

2014-12-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/11/2014 03:45 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: Greetings- I have an interesting situation that requires bridging some VLAN enabled interfaces together on a Debian 7.x x86 system. On the host, there is a single physical interface passing traffic natively (eth0), and two tagged VLANs also passing

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) *: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel Anyone remember GTE Telemail?? :) Ric -- My

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance,

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/10/2014 12:55 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/12/2014 20:32, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric Yes

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 06:41 AM, Christian Groessler wrote: On 12/08/14 12:04, Mart van de Wege wrote: Christian Groessler ch...@groessler.org writes: On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 07:06 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Actually, THAT is the very reason we ask for the option to be able to cancel a running fsck. You can never predict EVERY situation when fsck would be run but needed to be avoided. Maybe I asked a non tech to simply turn on the machine, how

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 09:09 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Anyhow, I've gained something from this thread. I didn't know that I could get rid of fsck by the simple expedient of C^c. Yes, I know that it is obvious, and I can't believe that I didn't even try it, but I clearly didn't. Maybe, like me, it's

Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 11:30 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install a recent VLC on my wheezy box, but: root@tony-fr:~# apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed.

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 11:56 AM, The Wanderer wrote: A slightly better one might be if the travel agent offered alternative routes by land and sea, but no other air-travel options to the same destination - and then reacted condescendingly when the traveller insisted that they really do need air travel

Re: no microphone in skype

2014-12-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/07/2014 05:06 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 06 dec 14, 23:57:00, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Is skype 4.3.0.37-1 working for anyone running Jessie with the following pulseaudio version? rajulocal@hogwarts:~$ pulseaudio --version pulseaudio 5.0 Works here. I'm on Sid, but due to the

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/07/2014 06:03 AM, Alex wrote: This is 'theft' of bandwidth for which I PAY, which is for my exclusive use only - NOT some snooping, mongrel, NSA lapdog with way too much money. Not only is this theft but it is also done under subterfuge by using an unrelated domain name - itwa.net.

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/07/2014 02:51 PM, Clive Standbridge wrote: Do you subscribe to the Dali Llama somehow? :) Ric Is that some kind of mystical Tibetan woolly creature? Maybe the origin of the yeti myth. Are you saying that a yeti is stealing bandwidth?? OMG. But, from what I could google, the bandwidth

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/06/2014 02:21 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 06/12/2014 06:27, Ric Moore a écrit : On 12/05/2014 05:06 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:59:25 + Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: But remember our current slogan Linux is all about choice. One can choose to boot

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/06/2014 02:40 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 06/12/2014 15:19, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Lu, 01 dec 14, 23:05:09, Patrick Bartek wrote: Well, we already know what a lot of Debian server admins think of systemd. Care to back this up with some data? Kind regards, Andrei They may think of

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/06/2014 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 01 dec 14, 23:05:09, Patrick Bartek wrote: Well, we already know what a lot of Debian server admins think of systemd. Care to back this up with some data? Why? You've read this list regarding

Re: no microphone in skype

2014-12-06 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/06/2014 05:04 PM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Ralph Katz ralph.k...@rcn.com wrote: While I have no specific suggestions for you, I can confirm that Skype works with my debian wheezy ver. 7.7 and xfce desktop on my laptop: ralph@spike2 ~$ dpkg -l skype

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/05/2014 04:44 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-05, Buntunub mckis...@gmail.com wrote: And so it comes full circle. This is why there is a need for a Debian fork. /I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks at Devuan will take care of all that for you. Fine

Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

2014-12-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/05/2014 10:55 AM, Brian Sammon wrote: On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:51:11 + Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Hi Brian, You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to play with. To the best of my

Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?

2014-12-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/05/2014 03:35 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Linux can use a special RAID 10 mode (mirror+stripe) with two or three disks. with 6 disks, RAID 6 will give you double the capacity of 4 disks or get you immunity to 3 disks failing. RAID 6 can survive 2 disk failures regarless of the number

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-05 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/05/2014 05:06 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:59:25 + Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: But remember our current slogan Linux is all about choice. One can choose to boot with or without fsck.mode=skip. What about the choice to stop fsck it if it has started at

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/04/2014 12:33 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:24:03 -0800 Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Patrick, use and no one else's, why distribute it at all? Simple: Ego. Perhaps. Or insecurity, and the need for

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/04/2014 03:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 04 December 2014 19:41:44 Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:48:31 + Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, It probably also makes my behaviour stupid. But stupidity is in short supply as you two have a monopoly on it

Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

2014-12-04 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/04/2014 04:29 PM, Brian Sammon wrote: On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:46:09 -0500 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped. I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, but when it came

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/03/2014 04:18 PM, Märk Owen wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Jessie isn't Debian. Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel joining Devuan... lol I've no problem with

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 04:47 AM, maderios wrote: Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTg1MDQ # More about the vision This is just a start, as bold as it sounds to call it fork, at a process that will unfold in time and involve more people, first to

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 02:34 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: Debian has kindled a big fire with this systemd crap. It’s time to jump ship before you only have ashes. Shade and sweet water! Stephan yes! Yes! RUNAWAY!! slaps helmet :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-01 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the default init more distros will follow suit, and more and more developers will start writing apps with systemd, or parts of it, as a dependency for the features it offers. Every other

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-01 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/01/2014 04:18 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the default init more distros will follow suit, and more and more developers will start writing apps

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/24/2014 08:18 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And while Wheezy will still be supported for a couple of years, it's not necessarily the answer. While many people don't want the latest and greatest, they also don't want the oldest and baddest. Sounds like your customers need to either pay for

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have yet to have a single problem with it. Many

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrew McGlashan writes: You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? ...and you are deluded

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 11:16 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:47:51PM +0100, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Like what?? I first installed

Re: Hostility on Debian forums

2014-11-19 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/19/2014 06:23 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 09:16:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2014 08:24:13 Ben Finney wrote: Hanover Shriver hanover.shri...@yandex.com writes: Only pro-Feminist programmers were allowed to contribute to free/opensource

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/15/2014 08:35 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: At the same time, most debian users likely do not really care about transition plan and systemd. It was widely published everywhere in March and yet, no one would have cared if this mattered ? I installed systemd to Jessie as soon as it was

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical errors

Re: Screen doesn't turn off

2014-10-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/23/2014 05:45 PM, Catalin Soare wrote: Hi, I've got 2 computera, both running Debian Wheezy, all updates applied. One of them seems to ignore the Brightness and lock setting which should make the screen turn off after 30 minutes. It simply remains on all day or night. Anyone have a clue

Re: Problem with systemd-sleep in Jessie

2014-10-23 Thread Ric Moore
To the OP: Stack. THANK YOU for starting an intelligent systemd QA. One feature I read about is that systemd will shut down under various conditions that would also prevent exhausting the battery on a laptop. I don't suppose there is anyway to install fresh to get rid of old cruft?? I'm of no

systemd as fence

2014-10-22 Thread Ric Moore
I am supposed to be using a fence to restart Debian based Proxmox cluster nodes when they fail and to trigger another mirrored node to become active to replace the failed one. Systemd claims it can restart/reboot if it detects failure. Anyone tried this yet? Could it be used as primary fence?

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

2014-10-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/22/2014 12:17 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson: So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop? Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why? Just wondering. See above and

Re: Is there a way to send SystemD to Devil?

2014-10-22 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/22/2014 09:45 AM, Marcelo wrote: Is there a way to use Debian without systemD? I use Debian since Potato and I never have a lot of problem than I still having in the past tow weeks! SystemD, Cups with a lot of Symlinks, Please, raise the potato version! Puleeeze, this issue has been

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/19/2014 04:32 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 01:27 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: We were objecting to the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anything. ~OR!~ List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes. is a more likely reason for the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 04:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/16/2014 11:30 PM, Marty wrote: On 10/16/2014 08:41 PM, Ric Moore wrote: But, I consider it idiotic to bash Red Hat as ~anyone~ with the guts can do what Bob Young did. Just gather some talented people together around a kitchen table and create your own distro. That is perfectly legal

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part

Re: update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 03:27 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:20:29 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, On this page : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html One says : 10.1.2.1 Manually checking which security updates are available Debian

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/15/2014 08:02 PM, Marty wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote: This is fortuitous! Not a bad gig at all. I'm sure some soreheads think that we debated WORLD DOMINATION during lunch, or how to screw over Debian, but sadly we mostly discussed what was the Right Thingtm Do

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/15/2014 07:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit : On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Check out

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote: We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company Caldera became SCO (oversimplification, but you know what I mean). Wonderful Linux company Corel changed their CEO, and promptly accepted money from Microsoft and dropped all their

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/15/2014 12:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: That's a problem in itself. There should be room for real discussion as is taking place here on the debian-user list, without fear of having posts filtered. I agree, but they (the moderators) have a vested interest when someone posts something

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