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Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
And who knows what kind of problems you run into when you switch to
some BSD. Are there NVIDIA drivers for some BSD? Is everything I'm
using now available for some BSD?
My
an
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I love these guys who summarily declare something, affecting everyday
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lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
When Jessie goes stable, I'm actually going to try Jessie to see
whether it will work reasonably, and if so I'll hold my nose and
use the monolithic entanglement.
FWIW, I
: I moved from Ubuntu to Debian to avoid
entanglement, like Plymouth and lightdm, and a couple months after I
moved to Debian, I found out about systemd.
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Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
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By the way, if you wonder why I'm being so hard on KDE, these three
articles explain:
http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm#_editors_desk
I didn't read any
trouble getting qemu to input from my keyboard in OpenBSD,
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:51:35 +0200
B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 03:30:40 +0800
Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
Alright
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:07:43 +0100
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
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For years, I've been using exec to replace a shellscript with a
binary executable. Something like this:
...
Is that behavior going to change with systemd
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:38:32 +0100
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This isn't really a problem for me, but if I'm making a mistake that
kills lo, chances are it's causing other side effects of which I'm
not aware.
I'd blame systemd
and
recompile. The only reason I'm not still using dwm is it has nothing
like OpenBox's show all windows sorted by workspace functionality.
It's kind of funny. All email clients suck, and yet there are tens of
excellent window manager/desktop environments.
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Don't forget LXDE and OpenBox, they're great too.
I must put in a plug for TDE. Comparatively lightweight. Really
easy to configure. And so partially sighted
(and terrible
functionalities) as vi$ta ;-p)
I stopped with KDE when Kmail2 came out and I finally realized that
most of my instability was due to KDE, not Linux. Today I ban all KDE
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0 0 0 8313 3643 2201002322
slitt@mydesq2:~$
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That said, I just found out my swap partition is 44GB for a 16GB
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My Wheezy machine doesn't run the loopback device lo on reboot. This
means I can't access my local Dovecot server. I reboot so seldom I
always forget
to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and
remove all doubt.
I agree with Patrick.
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I feel much better now that I know I have a Plan B.
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will hear. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Silence is golden.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and
remove all doubt.
Sometimes it is the fool who points out that the Emperor has no
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Sometimes the Emperor is the fool.
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John, that's the naked truth.
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Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
The concept of free software has become a myth :(
There is always Gentoo if libraries you
is that apt-get
install lxde installs lightdm. That is s unnecessary, especially
because lxde is a lightweight product.
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Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame
spring Jessie will become the stable release. When
that happens I'll take a day or more out of my schedule, back up, wipe,
and install Jessie.
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If so, that in itself is pretty scary.
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not to fall from the lead, they'd wait
for other distros to either iron out the kinks in Systemd, or do a mea
culpa and go to some other init system.
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And please remember, threads like these are posted *by* Debian users,
*for* Debian users, *on* the Debian-users mailing list.
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system but in the major sense of making package management
conform to their own views.
-dsr-
Let's rename the Linux Kernel to the Systemd Kernel. Then let's make
the package manager part of the kernel.
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certain daemons.
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buy all my laptops at Costco. If for some reason it
doesn't run Linux, I can return it within 90 days, no questions asked,
no restocking fee. Just make sure you preserve that restore partition
so that you can give them back a working Windows computer.
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it in console. It has
a gtk gui as well as a ncurses gui, Additinionally there are
integrations in KDE and Gnome.
Have fun!
Hans
I'm happy with wicd. It just does its job with a minimum of fuss and
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, and then use either NetBSD or OpenBSD. If, for practical
purposes, Systemd isn't a problem, I'll just hold my nose and use
Debian on my desktops and Ubuntu on my laptops.
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http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25
There's a OT list
working, and I want to use a fanless
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Hi all,
If any of you writes ePubs, you're probably familiar with Sigil, at
least for partial conversions and touchups. But if you haven't
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:08:19 +0200
Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net wrote:
On 2014-08-23 Steve Litt wrote:
If any of you writes ePubs, you're probably familiar with Sigil, at
least for partial conversions and touchups. But if you haven't used
Sigil for awhile, you might not be aware
, and install as described, except once
again, change the destination to the run directory before doing your
make install, and do make install as yourself, not as root or sudo or
su -c or anything like that.
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John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
What would be the best way I could install qt5 on my Wheezy without
borking everything else that depends on qt4?
Just do it. There's no problem with having both installed. They
won't interfere
, Sigil has grown into an excellent ePub authoring tool,
whether for fix-up or for writing a book from scratch. If any of you
has questions about Sigil, please feel free to ask me.
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Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:54:45AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
If any of you writes ePubs, you're probably familiar with Sigil, at
least for partial conversions and touchups. But if you
with confidence that there's no
other OS you risk wiping out. Then, if you ever need Windows for
warranty purposes, you can simply swap back the original hard disk.
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Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 22 August 2014 16:09:22 Steve Litt wrote:
It makes me sad that, since my kids went away to college in 2011,
the price of 4GB RAM laptops have remained stagnant. This laptop
translates into $361.32 USD
? To the extent possible, I want my
system to be Wheezy, not Jessie.
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operation *is* a good
idea, and fairly easy to do with ddrescue if you have a big honking usb
connected disk and a System Rescue CD CD. I'm just saying it's not a
substitute for at least a tiny bit of due diligence by the packagers
and the people determining the direction of Debian.
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On 20/08/2014 12:22 AM, Ralph Katz wrote:
Steve Gibson reports, Secure browser connections can be
intercepted and decrypted... Worth a look:
https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm
Got a good fingerprint in my browser, it matches from the Gibson
tool
2C:A6:F7
with your
printer, you can put that in your drive and click have disk and use
the driver on the CD.
If none of that stuff bears fruit, you can install other programs to
configure HP printers. Try those.
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Operating a desktop environment, not so much.
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program submits the proper password.
I'm conceptually not a fan of systemd, but you have to admit it opens
up many opportunities.
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are relevant to how free software developers
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.
By the way, a big benefit is that from now on, I can use any IMAP aware
email client as a window into my IMAP, and *only* a window into my IMAP.
If you choose to do this, here are my writings on how I did it:
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Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Within months of my switch, oops, here comes systemd.
Consider switching to the Debian/kFreeBSD. It's the same Debian, yet
to death.
Which is the whole point, isn't it. About half the posters on the
subject view systemd with something between suspicion and hatred.
That's very unusual, and indicates to me that systemd could turn into a
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Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:
On 09/08/14 22:26, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian
were:
1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
2) To get rid
and Linux-only
Wow, in which case Gnumeric and Gimp won't work on *BSD, and my friends
with Windows or Mac won't be able to use them either.
I'm only hoping when he says Gnome, he doesn't mean anything compiled
with GTK.
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The next time I reinstall, I'm moving to LILO too. LOL, but me, I
love that text stream, so no append=quiet for me. :-)
I started to *snark
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:19:00 -0700
koanhead ak...@freegeekseattle.org wrote:
On 08/10/2014 10:30 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
... I have a philosophical problem with systemd, I suspect it will
cause problems, my fallback is OpenBSD (or maybe Debian/kFreeBSD,
thanks Reco)
For the record
systemd.
Sometimes, you just have to laugh.
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Keep in mind, the time between when you have a read/write filesystem
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and brings my computer back to a known state, for easier
troubleshooting.
So every time I change versions, I have a chance to adjust my
partitioning.
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B. M. b-m...@gmx.ch wrote:
Why should I keep /home off the SSD?
Every download, every user specific config change, goes in the /home
tree. That's a lot of writing, and some of the downloads can be quite
big.
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2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little happens before the
filesystem comes up, anyway.
It's only about 750 lines on my laptop...
Kind regards
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Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
On 2014-08-06, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
In other words (laugh away, guys and gals), Claws-Mail's message
list breaks my computer.
*Post hoc ergo propter hoc* (a common logical fallacy when
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 08:31:02 -0400
AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:38:16 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Software As A Service, with Web 2.0
...
suggest a Google-hosted service
Actually this is precisely the opposite of my suggestion
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 14:10:11 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
On 2014-08-07, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Alright, by all means, let me rephrase:
My computer always breaks immediately after I hover Claws-Mail's
message list.
What are you, a helicopter? Stop
not make the answerer
any more eager to help
Rusi, you didn't take the extra effort of replying to longwind. Shame
on you!
LOL, doesn't it sometimes seem like no good deed goes unpunished?
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Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first
step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or
perhaps some
2006, and see what it does.
Because really, everything bad I said about systemd was a philosophical
thing: I have no idea how well it does or doesn't run your computer
under normal circumstances.
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:51:03 -0400
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
systemd
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:47:52 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:21 AM, Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 22:58:18 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Steve Litt
sl
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:51:19 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
I've googled this several times, but none of what I saw worked or
seemed relevant. The following seemed the most relevant, but turned
out not to be helpful:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137080
I
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 01:46:14 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 09:38:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
This is where we differ. I'd rather have building blocks from which
I could build anything, rather than a monolith I need to trick into
doing
against those of others, and friend those with similar setups.
SteveT
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:22:57 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
[...]
It's not intermittent anymore. I can reproduce it at will. I can log
out and rerun X, and do almost anything, including change screen
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:19:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Ma, 05 aug 14, 00:05:59, Brian wrote:
On Mon 04 Aug 2014 at 18:28:44 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:03:35 +0200
Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
I've seen
experience with this problem and remembers the solution, you could
cut a lot of time off my investigation.
Thanks,
SteveT
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 22:58:18 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Steve Litt
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
I've googled this several times, but none of what I saw worked or
seemed relevant. The following seemed the most relevant, but turned
out
you have for those of us who want to, to the
extent possible, keep systemd as nothing more than the first program to
be booted, and want to reduce as much as possible what other programs
need to know about systemd and what systemd needs to know about the
programs I run?
Thanks,
SteveT
Steve Litt
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:05:59 -0400
AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:32:48 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
When I switch to systemd, I'd like to have it as isolated as humanly
possible, just because I'm a modularity kind of guy.
I've been
stuff works with systemd isn't the main problem, it's just
icing on the cake when it *doesn't* work.
SteveT
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