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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2012 : Issue 2551
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Re: OT: A question about bash script [ Neal Murphy
In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a)
unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit
plain text. Or both.
Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate incompetent.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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Date: Fri Mar 6 11:06:29 2009
From: Joe McDonagh
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Hey Steve, I love that just by typing up here above e-mails I can
make smug users like you go postal. I feel powerful.
Top-posting inconveniences almost everyone -- not only Steve Lamb.
Wendell Cochran
a book.
A lot of work, yes, but it would scratch many itches both personal
public.
Wendell Cochran
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, not business
oriented
8-p, what does it mean?
Wendell Cochran answers:
Do you play chess? It means that SCO has castled. Others, too.
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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:13:34 -0600
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
1) Caldera purchased certain assets (the Unix business) from Santa Cruz
Operation (also then known as SCO).
2) Among the assets Caldera acquired from Santa Cruz Operation was the
trademark SCO.
3) Santa Cruz Operation
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:03:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Ben Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
The point is : if you think that the posting has info that is
important enough, you will make the effort to read. . . .
Oh? A writer who doesn't make his writing easy to read won't be.
What's more: 'If
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:47:08 +1100
From: Sam Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
I think we would end up with much better software if all
developers were forced to use old, slow computers :) . . .
With 15-inch screens, dial-up connectivity.
(Other restrictions may apply.)
Wendell Cochran
books -- _Learning the UNIX Operating System_ _Learning the
vi Editor_ (O'Reilly both).
If I could do it, you can do it. Whoever you are.
Wendell Cochran
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fated to never understand shell scripts. So
it's try, try again.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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to the temperature in the box.
The fans are available separately, too.
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retail price (try Bookpool.com). And you needn't
be intimidated, for the text is smooth readable.
Actually I don't own a copy, but rely on the third edition of the
UNIX version. However, bookstore sampling supports what I say
above.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:16:14 +0100
From: Kevin Boergens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Antonio Rodriguez schrieb:
Ownership of Streaming Audio and Video Challenged
Acacia Media Technologies has sent letters to a number of colleges
and
universities essentially claiming that patents it owns govern file
, work upward.
Wendell Cochran
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is done.
Just to rub it in with lye corundum, see
http://news.google.com
-- try to deduce the news from the headlines quoted.
In every newspaper I know, head-hunting is a lost art.
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who prefer to discuss Debian.
Let the half dozen hear Colin Watson, take it off list.
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, yes. But the spam plague is here _now_; I can't
wait till all humanity catches on. I've got to use the tools at hand.
Wendell Cochran
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firmly disavowed bias against Linux. Just then two
late-comers to the discussion asked why all the fuss; just plug
in a Cirque, they told me, away you go. Right they were,
too.
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, though my hearing is not
reliable.)
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administration. Add grep find. Little else.
So maybe my definitions have gone agley. No matter: I ought to know
better than to trust labels -- even my own.
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:36:57 -0500
From: Bob Paige [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
First, I think some people were raised on WIMP interfaces and are just
plain scared of text-based interfaces. Call it a mental block, but I've
seen it. . . .
Yes, conditioning may do it. But here's another
`Strange Problem with
Debian' -- I skip on to prospects more promising.
Oh, you say I'm missing some interesting posts? Sure, but seldom.
Now then I do read what's under an inept subject line, almost
always find my reasoning reinforced.
Back to Baloo (above), rough but right.
Wendell Cochran
. . . . And that brings us back to the Subject line:
Convincing etc. We can't convince 'em; we can only persuade.
Wendell Cochran
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for that pattern, the Vanagon, became a cultural icon in the US
(the hippie bus).
And not only hippies: Edsger W. Dijkstra (`Go To Statement Considered
Harmful') used a VW bus for camping trips. He named it `The Turing
Machine'.
Wendell Cochran
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:47:54 -0800 (PST)
From: nate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, I was wondering how a cd could break into pices in a cd drive?
spin it too fast and it will explode.
some faster drives(48x+) will do this. some media is lower quality
and will explode at lower speeds then the
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:35:04 +
From: Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:04:33AM -0500, Mike M
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Certification is for PHBs only. Right? Is there any evidence other than
marketing blather that certification is a worthwhile endeavor?
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:16:50 -0800
From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:31:21AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
I think the stigma is changing some after many companies have been burned
hiring the certified morons. However, getting certified is never
necessarily a
.'
Moo. Even mu.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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,
unplugged.
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of
spammistic illogic: the supertwit responsible mass-mails a blatant
proposal to skin the gullible -- then in a footnote denies that the
mesg is spam, explains the lie with frustrating idiocy.
Reading spam endangers the victim's mental health.
Wendell Cochran
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:53:48 -0600
From: Larry Alkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Top posting so this can be clearly read. . . .
That's where I stopped reading.
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:23:18 -0800
From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 08:52:20PM -0700, Greg Ray wrote:
Actually I like debian but I hate this list, I used to post about 7 months
ago but then I had to sell my server. I have been trying to get off this
list since
(think Iowa, not France).
Long ago a fine auld Scot named Ian Campbell (then state geologist of
California) remarked to me that -ian was overworked, but observed
that the practice did help discourage Statesiders from pronouncing his
given name as `I-an'.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:43:59 -0500
From: will trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 02:30:58AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 12:22:23AM -0500, will trillich wrote:
for example, how should 'calliope' be prounounced, eh?
CAL-ee-ope? sure looks that way -- but
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:21:32 -0700
From: Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SNIP]
Debian tends toward a text / curses based installer, and config-file
based management, rather than GUI tools. There _are_ GUI alternatives
to both if you lean that way, but they're neither required nor (at
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:06:14 -0700
From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SNIP]
. . . I roam to different offices and can sometimes find a windows PC in
a cube I'm borrowing. I get permission to reboot that system and boot
it to Knoppix and use it for awhile.
Aha. You use Knoppix in your role as
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 02:41:41 -0700
From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 07:32:27AM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
what i'm talking about. My former bosses opinion of Linux was that it was a
piece of *hit and you couldn't get any support for it, and device driver
out, `Other people's priorities are
endlessly odd.'
Wendell Cochran
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is automatic, a proper credit line
might read
Copyright (c) year artist's name.
That's if the copyright owner will give permission.
How nice if it can be GPL'ed.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:15:45 -0700
I have always disliked emacs . . .
emacs is simply a great editor. . . .
This speak is opinion, deplorable, and completely blasphemous. . . .
Emacs is a tool (well, a collection of tools); vi is a tool.
A craftsman chooses the tool that best fits the
Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:18:48 -0700
ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thursday 11 April 2002 04:19 pm, Wendell Cochran wrote:
[snip]
http://www.expita.com/nomime/.html
-- which is useful in explaining matters to innocent offenders.
It tells how HTML/MIME clash with mailing
each with a recipe for turning MIME/HTML off.
Wendell Cochran
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me, haughtily,
that if I want to look or buy I must `upgrade' my browser.
Ream out the prospective customer! That attitude, I contend seriously,
contributed markedly to the dot-com bust.
Wendell Cochran
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Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:36:15 -0600
will trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:31:00AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
A calculated concentration of essential information is surely a useful
exercise for any novice. Then in time of trouble he (or she) can
: Will someone proficient in these
matters list peculiar elements most likely to be helpful in a general
case? For selfish reasons I'd like to see a template, or a practical
example.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:38:37 -0800
From: Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
. . . Like many, I'm coming from a Windows environment. I've got
three linux machines under my desk and for a year now I've booted Win98
used basically only browsers and Eudora (3.0) on my Win98
Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:44:21 +0800
csj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user@lists.debian.org
and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and
less someone who would formulate constructively his
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100
Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone
who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ...
i really really don't want you to construe this as any
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:24:26 -0600
From: Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[BIG SNIP]
Noise on the line could also explain the Modem hangup errors.
This diagnostic is very convincing to me since this is
compatible with the very chaotic behaviour of my connection.
(Similarly, when I
. . . Bascially i am a total
newbie to Linux. A friend total me about it over the internet and he
says the Debian Linux is a good Linux to start with. Well i have not
got any idea how to install it, or how to set about . . .
All answers so far look good to me (I'm a Red Hatter, nerving
?
Sorry, I don't
OK, here's mine. I refer offenders (real innocents, mostly) to
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
-- which briefly explains the evils of H.T. Emil MIME, then
tells how to turn 'em off in each of 25 or so mailers.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
not hTML etc.)
I too have been getting tough about such things. No cc:, dammit, but
bcc: Etc.
If you have boilerplate -- stock instructions for a general case -- can
you share?
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
PS Karsten M. Self would have me say that the practice in this list is
postfix: comment _below_ the mesg quoted. It reads easier that way.
broadcast their loot.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 08:59:50AM +, Keith O'Connell wrote:
I periodically see references to a document in
ascii/html/pdf format with a title along the lines of Kernels - The
Debian Way
If it exists could someone give me the url for it please?
Ask Google for 'Debian Way'.
Wendell
to the pure in heart. Let's leave it to
billg minions.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
nearly as ineffectual as 'Please help!'
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Date: Dec 2001 16:19:49 -0600
Subject: Re: Newbie comments queries
I _am_ reading the modem-HOWTO and the wvdial README right now.
[SNIP SNIP snippety-snip]
Shouldn't Subject: specify a modem or comm problem?
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Karsten Self recommends How to Report Bugs Effectively by Simon
Tatham at
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
Tatham's not only right, he's a really good writer.
Just to rub it in with soap sandpaper, I add here that the Subject
line for bug reports (isn't that what they
No Starch / Linux
Journal). 396 p. Paperback. $30. It's slanted toward Debian users
(but I find it extremely useful for Red Hat), gives 1500+ recipes
including many so simple obvious that no one thinks to tell the
newbie.
You can check it out on line:
http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/
Wendell
[ snip ]
I think I just answered my own question!
[ snip ]
Peter Christensen
Moral: Carefully describing your problem may solve it.
The act of writing deters skipping guessing, aids review, forces
order logic.
That's so even if you don't post the record to the list.
It's best to write
Karsten M. Self wrote:
My PoV isn't that all advertising is evil (though the vast majority is),
but that *evil* advertising is evil.
Much advertising nowadays meets the definition of _spam_.
Advertising can sell. Alas, most Web advertising UNsells.
at
http://www.google.com/
I won't try to sum up here.
However, the term appears to have been coined by Richard M. Stallman,
a.k.a. RMS.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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