to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Do your reading before spewing nonsense:
>
> https://leanpub.com/lisphackers/read
>
> (and this is /only/ Common Lisp. There's Racket, Guile and the new
> kid on the block, Clojure, each one with its own, quite interesting
> projects -- check out Guix for Guile's
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> This view is outdated since nearly 90 years. The attempt to create a
> language where semantical correctness results from syntactical correctness
> was killed by Goedel's incompleteness theorem.
>
> The insight was not new then. Paul the Apostle wrote about Epimenides:
>
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> d> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now
> d> I have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this. I have
> d> worked with PL and prolog for a while ... unfortunately I think in
> d> coming years or decades it all will be declared dead
Joe B wrote:
> I want to make a bootable buster with persistent data so it saves my
> settings whenever I reboot.
Which settings - the user settings from the desktop? If so, which desktop?
David Wright wrote:
> Emacs has a huge repertoire of functionality accessible through its
> commands, without any requirement to know or use *lisp. You sometimes
> see some lisp-ish stuff on the screen when, say, using its help
> system, but it can be ignored if you don't understand it. Just keep
John Hasler wrote:
> I'm not trying to persuade anyone to use Emacs. I am trying to convince
> people not to be deterred from trying it because of myths such as "You
> can't use Emacs if you can't program in Lisp".
Sorry John, but all of this is obsolete, if you are pragmatic enough, you
would
John Hasler wrote:
> deloptes writes:
>> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now I
>> have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this.
>
> The results of ignoring it are evident all over the Web.
this is true, unfortunately. It was 2009 w
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> EC> It's not. They are written in vimscript, analogous to elisp.
>
> Sorry not. While Elisp is a Lisp dialect, therefore is a language that
> has been formally proved to be equivalent to turing-machine, that is
> not certain for vimscript.
>
> And the elegance of the
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> " It seems to me that there have been two really clean, consistent
> models of programming so far: the C model and the Lisp model. These
> two seem points of high ground, with swampy lowlands between them. As
> computers have grown more powerful, the new languages being
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> If your work comprises repetitive tasks that can be automated, then
> Emacs can help you a lot.
>
> If you have several, unrelated, small tasks, theni firing up vim and
> then closing it may be a good choice.
>
> The trick with Emacs is doing as much things you can
Matyáš Bobek wrote:
> I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How is it
> done?
I just started with C and never needed to write extension so far, but I did
use C to solve some kernel bugs :D
Pierre Fourès wrote:
>> So there are many nifty things in Emacs. But the real killer
>> is the integration of all those nifty things.
>>
>
> Wow, this gave me the desire to give a real serious try to Emacs !
Don't sell your soul to the devil (jokingly) :D
John Hasler wrote:
> In fact, much of what we now know as Emacs *is* extensions written in
> Elisp and many more extensions are available. You no more need to know
> Elisp to use them or to install additional ones than you need to know C
> to use Vim.
I prefer learning C ;-)
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> d> really, I did not know that you could be me and you knew my
> d> experience. Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it
> d> is impractical because you have mostly vim installed, so learning
> d> vim is a must indeed.
>
> Your words would be very
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Eating roquefort is impractical because you gotta drink wine anyway :-)
>
hahaha, true!
> Look -- you can do both (I do). If you're looking for excuses to stay
> away from Emacs: no need to, just do. But as little need to spread FUD
> about Emacs. Yes, Emacs is a
John Hasler wrote:
> Not true.
really, I did not know that you could be me and you knew my experience.
Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it is impractical because
you have mostly vim installed, so learning vim is a must indeed.
If you use debian I recommend learning ne - a
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> That would be a fatal mistake, indeed. But there's another hurdle,
> which is not to be subestimated. Emacs, as an old program, comes
> along with an old culture, with its own lispeltongue (i.e. "point"
> instead of "cursor", "window" for "sub-frame", etc.). It takes a
>
Étienne Mollier wrote:
> If I need some configuration, or a sort of shell functions
> library, this is something I would consider.
+1
Martin McCormick wrote:
> deloptes writes:
>> I just wonder why one would do that, but it is again your business.
>
> In all but a very small handful of countries around the
> world, the hobby of amateur radio exists and it's justification
> for existence is to allow
t...@t8w.de wrote:
> due to a graphics card change in a few days, which will allow me to
> properly use virtualization, I wanted to check a few things. First check,
> starting the pc without the current dedicated graphics card, failed really
> unexpectedly, because the integrated graphics card of
Martin McCormick wrote:
> Apparently, the flush after each new cycle of data isn't
> taxing the system too much as the output looks correct. This is
> a 600 MHZ Pentium which would have gone in to the recycle bin
> years ago if not for Linux. Older systems like this tend to
> accentuate the
Felix Miata wrote:
> Time can't change motherboard components' relative physical positions.
this is true, but to conclude that the numbering of the ethernet devices
depends on the position of the ATX or whatever is a bit too much.
Naturally it is left to right when you look at the back.
regards
Felix Miata wrote:
> IME, using net.ifnames=0, the motherboard NIC closer to an ATX power
> supply is always eth0. With BTX I've never had two NICs, but have to
> suppose it would be the opposite. I think PCI(e) resources flow the same
> direction, from CPU & PS/2 port end to last slot end.
Mark Fletcher wrote:
> So this turned out to be a weirdie -- if I dropped the "sudo" my
> original command worked.
>
> So now, suddenly from that update that started this thread, if I run the
> pactl command as an unprivileged user, it works fine. I have no idea why
> it changed but I'm just
Hans wrote:
> As I said, not in X, but the console in the terminal you reach by ALT-F1,
> ALT-F2 and so on. And sa I also said: Both systems got an identical
> configuration but behave different.
>
> Best
>
> Hans
>
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/
>
Martin McCormick wrote:
> Before reading this posting, I added code in my perl
> script to open, append and close the file but the suggestion to
> add a signal handler is a much better idea so thanks for the
> suggestion.
I always use
# Execute anytime before the .
# Causes the currently
Hans wrote:
> I had the hope, there might be someone pointing me to something else, I
> missed somewhere. :)
by blank you mean the screen goes dark or the time it waits for password?
For me blank is the screen goes dark and this is setting the blanking of the
screen - nothing to do with the
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> the list continues endless!
Hi Michelle,
I gave it up on VLC long time ago. ported kplayer to TDE and this is it.
I hope someone else will help, but I was in the same situation >10y ago.
regards
Brian wrote:
> Experimental packages (by their very nature) are not backported.
>
> In any case, what good is it supposed to do for this ancient printer?
For me it was hard decision to give up the old HP 5L, but comparing to newer
models everything was outstanding - power consumption, speed,
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Good morning from Singapore,
>
> Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?
>
> Is it good?
>
> Thank you for your review.
I was looking recently for a backup solution and did review few of them. I
choose borg. I then asked a friend
Dan Ritter wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 04:49 Ivan Ivanov wrote:
>>
>> > Well, I know a good solution that will work 100%: switch from Debian
>> > to Devuan to avoid this SystemD. sadly Debian does not provide the
>> > init system freedom, but if you'd switch to its'
Hans wrote:
> Oh, this behaviour is happening since years, and somewhere there is even a
> bugreport of this, but no one ever cared. So I am looking for another
> solution.
the very reason to stay with KDE3 aka TDE.
Did you look for error messages - post here and also the reference to the
bug.
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I hope you are not driving anywhere near me or mine!
+1
its criminal
Curt wrote:
> I don't follow how this follows from your erroneous attribution.
try harder ;-)
Curt wrote:
> I don't believe he did, actually. I believe that's what Reco wrote.
but there is no secure OS, as soon as you get connected to the network, and
if you have a server with multiple users ... well. We used to put sensitive
servers in DMZ aside of the user network - for a good reason.
deb wrote:
> Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS
> and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it,
> it's considered wise here to use a secure OS from the beginning.
If you have windows users in your network, the best is to pay for a server
deb wrote:
> ClamAV
I recall 15y ago we integrated kasperky into ClamAV. Easy to integrate and
easy to use. Worked great. I left this company couple of years later, but
it will not surprise me if they are still using the same setup.
Long Wind wrote:
> i run command below and it work in early debian:
>
> ssh zhou@192.168.1.3
> but new stretch says:
>
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.3 port 22: Connection refused
> what should i do? Thanks!
Run ssh -v zhou@192.168.1.3
or ssh -vv zhou@192.168.1.3
or ssh -vvv
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> Finally, if the answer(s), to either or both, is/are 'no' - what should
> the fstab entries be in order to allow users to Read/Write?
Read/Write depends more or less on what permissions you grant to the
directories, where those users are allowed to read and write.
The
hdv@gmail wrote:
> Could have been the case. But I have rebooted the laptop before replacing
> the SSD to look at the BIOS settings. So in this case this was not so.
double check - I had similar observation when trying to setup USB stick boot
for a notebook - it's a company property, so not
Mark Fletcher wrote:
> Hello
>
> Since upgrading to Stretch shortly after it became stable, I have had to
> execute the following after a reboot before being able to connect to
> bluetooth devices using the Gnome bluetooth applet:
>
> $ sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
>
>
riveravaldez wrote:
> Hi, I'm on debian-testing (updated), and found this issue:
>
> $ systemctl reboot
At this point it is advisable to read some linux basics ... I think there
are also videos in youtube - just like taking driving course or any kind of
course for operating a device. I mean you
Stefan K wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> yes there are synced, if I run 'ntpdate timeserv.domain.ag' they syncd
> everything fine, if I start ntp-server after 2-3Days I've an delay of few
> seconds. Maybe I schould ask on the ntp-mailing list?!
>
> best regards
> Stefan
I have a similar problem. In a
ray wrote:
> I would appreciate any suggestions to help move past this.
Have you tried network manager or wicd (I am not sure it was in gnome)?
I gave up on manual work, removed all entries from the network files and let
network manager do the work. In some hotels with funny hotspots it might be
Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-02-27 at 00:45 +0100, deloptes wrote:
>> Jim Popovitch wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2019-02-26 at 20:31 +0100, deloptes wrote:
>> > > Jim Popovitch wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > What's up with dirmngr? If d
Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-02-26 at 20:31 +0100, deloptes wrote:
>> Jim Popovitch wrote:
>>
>> > What's up with dirmngr? If dirmngr is installed Evolution often
>> > takes
>> > ages to open signed emails. If dirmngr is not installed then
&g
Jim Popovitch wrote:
> What's up with dirmngr? If dirmngr is installed Evolution often takes
> ages to open signed emails. If dirmngr is not installed then (according
> to p.d.o/buster/dirmngr) "the parts of the GnuPG suite that try to
> interact with the network will fail"
>
> How can dirmngr
Celejar wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free
>> software we can perhaps take advantage of.
>>
>> Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel
>>
>>
Celejar wrote:
> It will often be somewhat more complicated. Many smarthosts will refuse
> to accept mail if the envelope 'From' and / or the email 'From:' header
> do not match the user's account name with the smarthost, so address
> rewriting will be necessary.
>From what I know is that sooner
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Why does the ThinkPad crash or freeze,
> if I have a power failure on the DockingStation...
I assume you have the battery in the notebook - so it is perhaps something
related to the power management - what dows your log say?
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> As for me, I'm the patient, very practical type. Debian is my distro
> of choice after almost 20 years of using other Linuxes because of its
> philosophy of stability and bug-freeness above all else. I'll wait
> until Buster is in Release Candidate status before testing
Curt wrote:
> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>
> Cash does not include:
>
> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
> face value of more than $10,000.
>
>
Gene Heskett wrote:
> You are just playing in a bigger rodeo. I have had to write 2 checks for
> the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to
> $20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k
> and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
> we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
> allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
> becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
> enjoy
Gene Heskett wrote:
> Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of
> gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here
> late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit. And
> by Monday its buried in this midden heap and
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?
Yes just tried
whois wvsto.com
and accessible from here Europe.
I don't think one would block this site
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
>
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.
I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser
Kent West wrote:
> boot/ipxe/440/uefi/BOOT/BCD... No such file or
> directory
Interesting - I use simple tftp server and no issues since set up, but this
KACE is unknown to me, however using the string above I found many similar
issues
Here for example you have couple of ideas what could cause
積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> beep works, speaker-test doesn't.
> beep(1) makes beeps right into the headphones.
beep comes from pcspkr driver
audio goes via alsa
> speaker-test doesn't make any sound.
> $ alsamixer looks horrible after installing PulseAudio.
> lqqq
> x Card:
Joe wrote:
> NM is a Gnome application.
Are you sure? IMO it is not a gnome only tool although it is developed by
gnome
https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/NetworkManager.html
Description-en: network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)
NetworkManager is a system
hoh...@arcor.de wrote:
> I finally want to know how to separate the sessions.
why don't you use a window manager. Most of them offer the option to log in
as different user, which will open a new session on the next console.
I have not heard of same user logged in in two different X sessions on
Michael Earl Milliman wrote:
> I regularly use at least one loopback module in my pulseaudio setup,
> looping incoming USB audio stream back to the computer speakers and/or
> bluetooth headphones. This means that I almost always run 'pactl
> load-module module-loopback' as one of the first
Charlie S wrote:
> I think there is a bug in systemd that is shown at upgrade of buster, so
> it should be held back before any upgrade is attempted.
Sorry for irony but I just thought - I think it is bug by itself :D
John wrote:
> nice idea but the uids are the same across the network; the gid differ
> but that should not matter as the access is 600. I can create and
> delete files read them etc as expected.
>
> The files are mounted with nfs3
>
> snout
John wrote:
> I run a mixed Debian/openSuSE /android LAN an after an upgrade of one
> component from jessie to stretch I have hit a big problem.
>
> Mail is delivered into a mbox on the Debian server, and the disk is
> mounted on the user machine via NFS so the mail can be read into emacs
> from
Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Noted, as this tip would have been very useful a few weeks ago :P
> Anyhow, I moved to "testing" so this is probably an issue solved for good.
Well, I hope it will not be the last one for you :)
Read the upgrade notes from Debian - saved me many troubles and I know
people
ghe wrote:
> Futzing with systemd makes one wonder what MS has on some of the Linux
> system programmers.
:D
Andrea Borgia wrote:
> It's more like an issue with the libraries than the apps themselves: the
> apps in d-m are not in Debian and won't directly be affected. However,
> shared libraries in Debian might be upgraded to different versions pulled
> in from d-m and that's where the problems will
James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in
> the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?
>
> We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements";
> I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of
Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian
> and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I
> recently install apt 1.4.9.
>
> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm
David Wright wrote:
> And to be fair, that has been spelled out in the Release Notes ever
> since etch was released in 2007. Before that, the warning was less
> explicit.
No idea what you are talking about, perhaps I am the only lucky one, or I am
not using the apps that caused your problems
Frank McCormick wrote:
> I was under the impression that it has been suggested in the past to not
> use packages from deb-multimedia.org as it causes other problems?
Might be, but for the past 10y I have encountered null. If you mess up with
your system for sure, but all works great on default
Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> Please email me directly with your reply as I probably will not see your
> reply in the mailing list.
>
> Cinelerra is a fantastic non-linear video editor for Linux. Unfortunately
> I am unable to get it running under Debian. I'm using stable with latest
> updates. (This
bapt x wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
> Debian package repository?
> I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
> official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
> It would be nice to have this package
local10 wrote:
> I normally use KDE launcher to start Klavaro, the command prompt output
> below was just for test purposes to see what could be wrong.
install gdb and run it through - do backtrace - it will tell you more.
it is gtk app - could be also you are missing something gtk or have
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 14, 4 Jan 16 12:21 /dev/audio
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 14, 3 Jan 16 12:21 /dev/dsp
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 14, 0 Jan 16 12:21 /dev/mixer
this is dsp - I think it is compatibility layer to older OSS. What you also
want to look
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> For me, ELinks is an interesting little creature. I keep forgetting to
> go back and try to get javascript working with it. I think the problem
> was something about showstopper header declarations or something.
> Pretty sure that project was how I ended up with /lib32
Patrick Bartek wrote:
>> Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>> > I never could understand that type of "reasoning." With me, if there's
>> > no NEED, it's not done. I'm very much the pragmatist. Always have
>> > been even as a child, and never likely to change.
>>
>> you need it but you don't know yet
>
Tom Bachreier wrote:
> So it is most likely that I have a problem with the software raid or the
> harddisks, isn't it? SMART is activated on all disks and does not show
> any error.
don't know exactly but I replaced all Seagate drives with WD - especially WD
Red 2TB NAS (WD20EFRX). Now just
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> I never could understand that type of "reasoning." With me, if there's
> no NEED, it's not done. I'm very much the pragmatist. Always have
> been even as a child, and never likely to change.
you need it but you don't know yet
For example I leave some percentage of the
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Actually, if I've understood what I've read over the past two weeks,
> that's not correct. You need a dedicated partition formatted in FAT32,
> marked ef00 partition-type with the "boot" flag enabled on it. Mounting
> that partition on /boot/efi (or somewhere else,
David wrote:
> Hi, I have no expertise in this, except to suggest that if I was
> seeing your symptoms then I would investigate if the discussion
> here might be relevant:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/12/msg00184.html
Good story - thanks and no comments!
Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> Building a new UEFI system to supplant my "showing its age" 12 year old
> non-UEFI, MBR-only system, and don't want to do a clean install of
> Stretch. Cloning drive and converting to GPT is out. I want only to
> migrate the Stretch install out of the others there. Any
Pieter Lems wrote:
> What is the reason this was automaticly done?
> Does this have any negative influence on the security of my /boot
> partition? How can I counter this?
> And if it's possible to counter this, would it be profitable (in case of
> security) to counter it?
Not sure but I think
Thomas Schweikle wrote:
> Did you read my post? /dev/sd* are missing, but modules are loaded!
>
you mean modules for the disks?
> Looks like /dev/sd* entries are not created.
is udev OK?
Miguel A. Vallejo wrote:
> Some time ago I read the kernel 4.19 include support for some Mediatek
> 802.11ac USB devices. When I saw the kernel 4.19 arrived into
> unstable/testing I ordered one of these devices.
>
> The device arrived but it does not work at all. A quick look at the
> kernel
Johan en Katrien Dewaele wrote:
> Thinking of switching to grub2 to avoid these problems.
>
good thinking
songbird wrote:
> first thing i would try is to go back to the previous
> known working kernel via dpkg (not apt) and see if that
> succeeds in installing and generating an initramfs.
don't underestimate udev - AFAIK it is responsible for those names and it
fall recently to systemd, so that you
Curt wrote:
> Then you, if I'm remembering correctly, joined in to profess your own
> distrust or dislike of stackexchange and your refusal to use Chromium to
> obviate a very long-standing FF bug that you appear to claim or strongly
> suggest only impacts the stackexchange web site.
>
I bag a
Richard Owlett wrote:
> I am using STRETCH with MATE desktop.
> I need to disable automatic mounting of *ANY* external USB connected
> mass storage device.
>
> When the device is plugged in it should appear *ONLY* in the "Devices"
> menu and allow mounting by clicking on its identifier.
>
>
Curt wrote:
> I have no different opinion (I don't think). I know nothing about
> stackexchange. I am indifferent to stackexchange. However, if you want
> to print that full thread on stackexchange, like *Gene wanted to print
> that full thread*, and your horse is so high you won't open Chromium
Curt wrote:
> I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy
> or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange,
> because, goddammit, you take what you can get.
Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium, but I do not want to use
it. I like FF
Kenneth Parker wrote:
> The reason I am bringing this up now, is that I tried this on Stretch,
> with no Graphical Environment, only to have the Music (playing, through
> the play command /dev/tty3) *STOP* *COLD* when I used alt-F4 to switch
> perspective (say, to /dev/tty4!)
>
> Looks like
Gene Heskett wrote:
>> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
>> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth
>> in the past years.
>
> I see that too, darn it.
Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst example -
Joe wrote:
> Reinstalling looks good until you've done it, the old installation is
> history, and over the next few weeks you realise how much time you had
> spent over the last few years tweaking your computer to get it the way
> you like it.
>
> And no, you cannot at the same time a) clear out
Gene Heskett wrote:
> Disk /dev/mmcblk0p1: 41 MiB, 42991616 bytes, 83968 sectors
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disklabel type: dos
> Disk identifier: 0x
>
> No
Gene Heskett wrote:
> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top 3" of the site's
> front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline.
>
> And it works on other sites.
Same here
Gene Heskett wrote:
> And becoming a bigger problem by each kernel release. Just the bigger
> stack image a context switch involves takes the 64 bit stuff into the
> very close to unusable state. Even the hit of enabling pae on the 32 bit
> stuff is a quite noticeable hit on the rt performance.
Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on
> init-diversity, I'd say that issue is fully resolved, and I'm reassured
> that a distribution like the one I like is going to be available for the
> foreseeable future.
>
> Would you say that
Nicolas George wrote:
> It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
> wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme
> than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a
> new one.
>
> Alas, the idiotic way most people
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