> Nah, be reasonable - 's gotta be ed. You can't use vi on a teleprinter.
vi -e works perfectly for me on my Highspeed Hasler SP20 ASR.
This device can not only 50 and 75 Bauds but also 100 Baud - and
vi still works flawlessly :-)
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On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:25:04AM -0500, alex wrote:
> If you had prior knowledge of the
> configuration decisions you must make, wouldn't this improve your chances
> at doing it right?
But you do! In nine different languages, even!
http://www.debi
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 01:26:17PM -0700, Glenn English wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 12:10, alex wrote:
>
> > Is that the way it is supposed to be? If it is too easy to install, the system
> > can't be much good, right?
>
> <:-)>
> Right on! None of this sissy GUI stuff for me!
>
> I want a
On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 12:10, alex wrote:
> Is that the way it is supposed to be? If it is too easy to install, the system
> can't be much good, right?
<:-)>
Right on! None of this sissy GUI stuff for me!
I want a *man's* distro: nothing but fdisk and tar and vi!
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Mr. Baldwin wrote:
I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really
want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a
graphics-based installation. Of course, I could be wrong.
YES
That's me. I don't need an X based installer -- just one that can take
some of
Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote:
On Monday 24 March 2003 10:06 am, Larry wrote:
I don't condone the outburst, and am not fully tuned
in on this incident.
I must say, however, that compared to a number of
other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
get installed and configured. I suspect
Lindsay Yardley wrote:
G'day Alex,
I found the installer great but while I'm new to linux I've been using
PC's since about 1982. It would probably be very helpful to the
developers if you could be more specific about the information you think
is lacking.
Yes, I agree that the installer (per se) is
| > G'day Alex,
| > I found the installer great but while I'm new to linux
| I've been using
| > PC's since about 1982. It would probably be very helpful to the
| > developers if you could be more specific about the information you
| > think is lacking.
|
| That would be fighting the last
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:59:35 +1000
"Lindsay Yardley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day Alex,
> I found the installer great but while I'm new to linux I've been using
> PC's since about 1982. It would probably be very helpful to the
> developers if you could be more specific about the information y
Greetings Alex
alex wrote:
The debian installation process is loaded with surprises that forces the
inexperienced to make critical decisions that can make or break the
installation. If there was documentation that describes what to expect
and the options, it should improve the chances of a go
G'day Alex,
I found the installer great but while I'm new to linux I've been using
PC's since about 1982. It would probably be very helpful to the
developers if you could be more specific about the information you think
is lacking.
Did you read the installation howto?
http://www.debian.org/release
The debian installation process is loaded with surprises that forces the inexperienced to make
critical decisions that can make or break the installation. If there was documentation that
describes what to expect and the options, it should improve the chances of a good installation.
Current in
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:43:06AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On the other hand, and it's been said in this thread before (by me and
> others), you make it clear you want to tell people what they want/need and
> expect them to accept your decisions and like what you give them.
Oh, come on... gi
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 23:43, Hal Vaughan wrote:
--snip--
> From your earlier statements, you have talked about users doing what YOU (or
> WE) want them to do. In other words, the technical computer people making
> the choice for the real world users. There was an article (don't remember
> the
On Saturday 29 March 2003 12:04 am, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:17 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > > Why? The *user* has zero business installing the box. Yes, Joe Moron
> > > benefits from having GUI tools, becaus
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:17 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > Why? The *user* has zero business installing the box. Yes, Joe Moron
> > benefits from having GUI tools, because they mean he doesn't have to think,
> > but it matters not fo
In linux.debian.user, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:17 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>> > True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every
>> > distro that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implemen
I have but one comment, it isn't "easier" or "harder" with a graphical
interface, it is different. For myself, I think in lists and never in
pictures, I think text mode screens are great and graphical interfaces
needless complications made by idiots solely to make my life difficult,
however I r
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 05:05:39PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Thursday 27 March 2003 07:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > With over five times as many people being killed by autos in the US per
> > year as died in the terrorist attacks back in '01, not to mention the
> > pollution, noise, and roug
On Thursday 27 March 2003 07:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > If Henry Ford had your attitude, autos would have never been for more
> > than mechanics.
>
> With over five times as many people being killed by autos in the US per
> year as
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>> True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every distro
>> that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implement a GUI installer
>> (and many other GUI tools).
>
>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> If Henry Ford had your attitude, autos would have never been for more than
> mechanics.
With over five times as many people being killed by autos in the US per
year as died in the terrori
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> Additionally, I would love to see Debian be at the forefront of the push to
> kill windoze.
You've gotta be having the time of your life, then. Various polls
I've seen seem to indic
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:22:36AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> BTW, the couchf**k thing was killing me. I have a "joke" that I have to
> send you. Let me know if you don't mind me e-mailing you directly!
It was definately busting folks sides whe
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:23:59AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Debian strives for technical excellence. So supposedly, adding a GUI to
> the installer improves things somehow?
Better press?
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On Thursday 27 March 2003 16:17, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every
> > distro that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implement a GUI
> > installer (and many other GUI
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:49:49AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
>
> >
> > Devil's advocate: how do you knmow firestarter does what it
> > says it is doing if you don't understand iptables? Please
> > don't take this as a personal attack; I just feel if you
> > don't understand the technology,
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 02:50:35PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> (strange synapses fire) Can you boot Knoppix on a PS1?
Strict answer: Yes.
Reparsing the question for more meaning: No, unless you're intimately
familiar with PS1 hardware and have the tools
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:44:33PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> Can someone help me with a procmail filter so that I no longer see these ??
apt-get install dotfile-procmail
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:14:05AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> A new user may not know whether to count every single key.
That's like saying someone buying eggs will count only 11 eggs in a
carton if a brown one gets mixed in by accident...
> For
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:20:30AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> Yes, I realised that at the time. I just treat the creation of the
> filesystems on the partitions, and the positioning of them in the tree
> to be two separate steps, and by default woul
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:28:03AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> A week ago, I was setting up a new box (well, new as Debian - had been
> Win98 and RH) and got to try the Debian boot-floppies installation for
> the first time in 2 1/2 years. Even after
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Matthias Hentges wrote:
> Right! Linux will even tell you when your "Printer is on fire" ;)
Unless you use a newer 2.4 kernel.
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:30:10PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote:
> I've looked after windows boxes for many years, windows users find it quite
> difficult. Many shudder at the thought of installing anything.
OK, good. The night-shift isn't driving m
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 07:52:15PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote:
> Simply put, if you get frustrated easily, then you shouldn't be using Linux.
No, you can use Linux just fine. You just shouldn't be maintaining a
Linux system. There's a big d
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 22:17, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every distro
> > that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implement a GUI installer
> > (and many other GUI to
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:17 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every
> > distro that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implement a GUI
> > installer (and many other
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> True. Perhaps it would have been better stated by saying that every distro
> that wants to cater to Desktop users needs to implement a GUI installer
> (and many other GUI tools).
Why? The *user* has zero business installing the
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 11:28:23AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact
> that different people learn and perceive in different ways. Some people
> learn and take in information best when everything is neat and orderly.
> Others do best in what may be perceived as
Perhaps all that's needed is a help option [F1} with layman descriptions???
... maybe?
| -Original Message-
| From: Mr. Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:54
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
|
|
| >
| >
>
>> > I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really
>> > want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a
>> > graphics-based installation. Of course, I could be wrong.
YES
>> That's me. I don't need an X based installer -- just one that can take
>> some
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:36:57 -0500
From: Bob Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
First, I think some people were raised on WIMP interfaces and are just
plain scared of text-based interfaces. Call it a mental block, but I've
seen it. . . .
Yes, conditioning may do it. But here's another obse
I think you've just made an unfounded logical leap. Why does _every_
distribution need a graphical installer to make linux on the desktop a
reality? Clearly the answer is, not every distro needs a graphical
installer. If a distribution wants to cater to server-type machines,
that's ok (it's gre
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 23:26, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:22 pm, Kent West wrote:
> > I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really
> > want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a
> > graphics-based installation. Of course, I
>
> Devil's advocate: how do you knmow firestarter does what it
> says it is doing if you don't understand iptables? Please
> don't take this as a personal attack; I just feel if you
> don't understand the technology, using said technology is
> fraught with peril. For a real world example,
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:42:38PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >It's not a question of *me* not wanting a GUI. I'm asking whyinhell
> >*anyone* would want one. What does it enhance?
> >
> >What's the design goal? So far the only thing I've ever seen in print is
> >that it needs to be done be
I think that what most people who clammer for a GUI installer really
want is a more easy-to-accomplish installation, not necessarily a
graphics-based installation. Of course, I could be wrong. (That'd be the
third time this year if I am - doh!)
My opinions:
First, I think some people were rais
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:22 pm, Kent West wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
>
>
> >While some people do better with a command line interface, others do much
> >better with an intuitive or graphical interface.
>
>
>
> >Some people
> >learn and take in information best when everything is neat and
Hal Vaughan wrote:
While some people do better with a command line interface, others do much
better with an intuitive or graphical interface.
Some people
learn and take in information best when everything is neat and orderly.
You may like the curses interface. Good for you. Others
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:07:06PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> ... If they can't handle that, they should stick to a
> Game Cube or Playstation *WITHOUT* Linux...
(strange synapses fire) Can you boot Knoppix on a PS1?
Pigeon
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It's not a question of *me* not wanting a GUI. I'm asking whyinhell
*anyone* would want one. What does it enhance?
What's the design goal? So far the only thing I've ever seen in print is
that it needs to be done because the lamers want it.
Debian strives for technical excellence. So supposedly
Quoting Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
> I hear and understand what you are saying about "not all installs are
> easy"; been there, done that. However, I never said (or at least, I
> never meant to say) that installing debian is "easy". In fact, I do
> not care if people think installin
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 09:23 am, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:42:02AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:07:24PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > > Gods, whyinhell would you need X in order to install a distribution?
> > > That's just silly.
> >
> > That's
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:13:41AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing
> drives me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian
> is too hard to install, you shouldn't be i
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:42:02AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:07:24PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > Gods, whyinhell would you need X in order to install a distribution?
> > That's just silly.
>
> That's why debian-installer will have a classic curses flavored
> front-e
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:07:24PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Gods, whyinhell would you need X in order to install a distribution?
> That's just silly.
That's why debian-installer will have a classic curses flavored
front-end, among others. Don't wa
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:55:15AM -0600, Alfredo J. Cole wrote:
> Mandrake copied the RH installer at the early stages. Even the RH 5
> installer would be a big advancement. How hard would it be to
> "debianize" that installer?
Oh, God no! I came b
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:06:12AM -0800, Larry wrote:
> So the big hump, unfortunately, is at the very beginning.
IMHO, this is the way it should be. But tech support's warped me that
way, you can only hear the same stupid question 60 zillion times
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 07:04:14AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> s/owning a computer/commanding anything more dangerous than Play-Doh/
Oooh, scathing. Wasn't going to go that far, since there's still an
outside chance that he's bright when it com
nate wrote:
Nathan E Norman said:
Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing drives
me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian is too
hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it. Mandrake et al exist for
a reason.
well of course there are alway
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 04:38:53PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-03-25T20:18:48Z, Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Indeed. Whenever a program tells me to 'press any key', I always first try
> > shift, control and alt. Usually, the message is clearly wrong
>
> Have you foun
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 09:38:54AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
>
> Using n-key keyboard types is lazy, why not have a database of keyboard
> model numbers to choose from.
I think that there are way too many different keyboards out there for
that to work.
Frank
> Matt
>
>
>
> Children's Canc
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 07:58:09PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Marc, the original poster clearly had a problem that went way beyond not
> being able to install Debian, but in charity there is no excess. And it
> will do no good to make Debian less easy because he was annoying.
I have no interes
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 07:28:15AM -0800, nate wrote:
> Nathan E Norman said:
>
> > Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing drives
> > me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian is too
> > hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it. Mandrake e
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:51:18AM +, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
>
> Does anybody if the installer that is used for the 'testing netinstall'
> images is a sign of things to come.If so I would like to know where I
> can go and whine about it.
I'm not sure about how the testing netinstall relates t
Am Die, 2003-03-25 um 19.44 schrieb Hall Stevenson:
> > > Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
>
>
> Can someone help me with a procmail filter so that I no longer see these ?? :-)
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> > Basically, if someone doesn't know how many keys ones keyboard has,
> > _and_ he doesn't know how to count them, then I doubt he should be
> > using a computer at all.
>
> Devil's advocate:
>
> A new user may not know whether to count every single key.
> For example, shift doesn't do a
At 2003-03-25T20:18:48Z, Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Indeed. Whenever a program tells me to 'press any key', I always first try
> shift, control and alt. Usually, the message is clearly wrong
Have you found any "correct" programs other than, say, xev? :)
> Good question. My gue
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:14:05AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-03-25T15:05:08Z, Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Basically, if someone doesn't know how many keys ones keyboard has, _and_
> > he doesn't know how to count them, then I doubt he should be using a
> > computer
> I like that debian runs on several different arches; I can log into
> lorien (my i386 server) or aglarond (my ultra 60) and for the most
> part, I see no difference (except the ultra 60 kicks more ass).
> Commands are the same, file locations are the same ... it's a dream:
> one that no other *n
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 12:09, deFreese, Barry wrote:
>
>
> It amazes me sometimes how little effort people put into things these days.
> This includes people who actually do support for a living. We pay an
> outside company some significant money for help desk/desktop support.
> Whenever they run
> Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
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Kirk Strauser said:
> Frankly, *I* have to look up my keyboard specs when I install X (which
> happens, maybe, once every 1.5 years or so), because the answer isn't
> nearly as straightforward as just counting the physical buttons.
Frankly, *I* am a lazy son of a bitch so I don't look up the key
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark L. Kahnt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:28 AM
> To: debuser
> Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
>
> A week ago, I was setting up a new box (well, new as Debian - had been
> Win98 and RH) and go
> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan E Norman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
>
>
> EXACTLY!!!
>
> Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to inst
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 08:15, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:28:03AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
>
> > A week ago, I was setting up a new box (well, new as Debian - had been
> > Win98 and RH) and got to try the Debian boot-floppies installation for
> > the first time in 2 1/2
At 2003-03-25T15:05:08Z, Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Basically, if someone doesn't know how many keys ones keyboard has, _and_
> he doesn't know how to count them, then I doubt he should be using a
> computer at all.
Devil's advocate:
A new user may not know whether to count eve
Nathan E Norman said:
> Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing drives
> me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian is too
> hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it. Mandrake et al exist for
> a reason.
well of course there are always exce
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:13:41AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
>
> I run debian on sparc hardware as well as i386. I've been using i386
> since I was in middle school so being expected to know things like how
> many keys are on the keyboard and what kind of video chipset I have is
> not a big s
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:05:16AM -0800, Lukas Latz wrote:
> > Of course, when the shiny happy install doesn't work on some esoteric
> > hardware you're screwed, but nobody runs _that_ stuff. (or do
> > they??)
> >
> > *sigh*
>
> About 2 1/2 years ago, I installed Suse on a 1997 Mac clone with
Does anybody if the installer that is used for the 'testing netinstall'
images is a sign of things to come.If so I would like to know where I
can go and whine about it.
Klaus
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:28:03AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> A week ago, I was setting up a new box (well, new as Debian - had been
> Win98 and RH) and got to try the Debian boot-floppies installation for
> the first time in 2 1/2 years. Even after using Debian for 5 years,
> and knowing how I
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:29:43PM +, Shri Shrikumar wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:06, Alfredo J. Cole wrote:
> > El Lun 24 Mar 2003 12:03, nate escribi?:
> > (...)
> > > hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it
> > > working, though I don't know if we'll see an off
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:06, Alfredo J. Cole wrote:
> El Lun 24 Mar 2003 12:03, nate escribió:
> (...)
> > hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it
> > working, though I don't know if we'll see an official X11-based installer
> > for the next revision, I hope that they have
> Of course, when the shiny happy install doesn't work on some esoteric
> hardware you're screwed, but nobody runs _that_ stuff. (or do
> they??)
>
> *sigh*
About 2 1/2 years ago, I installed Suse on a 1997 Mac clone with a
Formac graphics card. Their acclaimed graphical installer (not X
though)
Am Die, 2003-03-25 um 05.58 schrieb Nathan E Norman:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:30:10PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote:
> > | Marc, the original poster clearly had a problem that went way beyond not
> > | being able to install Debian, but in charity there is no excess. And it
> > | will do no go
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 13:03, nate wrote:
> Alfredo J. Cole said:
>
> > (Putting on my anti-flame suit)
> >
> > Mandrake copied the RH installer at the early stages. Even the RH 5
> > installer would be a big advancement. How hard would it be to "debianize"
> > that installer?
>
> the big issue
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:30:10PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote:
> | Marc, the original poster clearly had a problem that went way beyond not
> | being able to install Debian, but in charity there is no excess. And it
> | will do no good to make Debian less easy because he was annoying.
>
> I'v
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:07:24PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:03:24AM -0800, nate wrote:
> > hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it
> > working, though I don't know if we'll see an official X11-based installer
> > for the next revision, I hope
| Marc, the original poster clearly had a problem that went way beyond not
| being able to install Debian, but in charity there is no excess. And it
| will do no good to make Debian less easy because he was annoying.
I've looked after windows boxes for many years, windows users find it quite
di
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:13:04PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:06:12AM -0800, Larry wrote:
> > I must say, however, that compared to a number of
> > other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
> > get installed and configured. I suspect the poor
> > fellow was
On Monday 24 March 2003 10:06 am, Larry wrote:
> I don't condone the outburst, and am not fully tuned
> in on this incident.
>
> I must say, however, that compared to a number of
> other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
> get installed and configured. I suspect the poor
> fellow w
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I was just making the observation, one I can verify
with other folks I know (none of which would be
classified as idiots in any forum I'm aware of) that
compared to other systems, Debian is not as easy to
install and configure.
As an example, when installing Potato on a computer
that had held Wind
Hi Marc!
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:06:12AM -0800, Larry wrote:
> > I must say, however, that compared to a number of
> > other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
> > get installed and configured. I suspect the poor
> > fellow was ready to
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Am Mon, 2003-03-24 um 17.06 schrieb Larry:
> I don't condone the outburst, and am not fully tuned
> in on this incident.
>
> I must say, however, that compared to a number of
> other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
> get installed and configured.
Amen to that. I'm running Linux
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:06:12AM -0800, Larry wrote:
> I must say, however, that compared to a number of
> other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to
> get installed and configured. I suspect the poor
> fellow was ready to tear his hair out (assuming he had
> some hair).
Yeah, you h
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:03:24AM -0800, nate wrote:
> hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it
> working, though I don't know if we'll see an official X11-based installer
> for the next revision, I hope that they have the backend and a
> ncurses-style installer done for t
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