Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-03-03 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote: This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft propaganda. Nice one ;o) http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx And I knew for sure: that airline went bankrupt... -BEGIN PGP

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 01:21:50PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote: This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft propaganda. Nice one ;o) http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx And I knew for sure: that airline went

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-28 Thread Dave Thayer
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:14PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: I am on my own machine and I am able to write to local drives. I've successfully installed Opera, but I can't install Openoffice (because that requires root -- oops, administrator privileges) nor cygqin (because its can't go through a

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 27/02/2008, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. I know that I'm doomed to

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dan H.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:57:30AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to the machine I'm sitting at and

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Dan H.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:18:38AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT management. It is full of fiefdoms and not invented here syndromes. It is a meca to the power hungry and the control freaks. It has little to do with helping the

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:14PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:57:30AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the university

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-27 Thread Christopher Bradley
actually opera does have tabs (since before firefox) and does have a wand which remembers passwords. Before firefox, i used it as the best alternate to explorer when I have to use a windows machine. But why not load firefox? If you got opera on, firefox should be doable. If loading is an issue,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Feb 25 19:03 -0600]: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to the machine I'm sitting at and

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to the machine I'm sitting at and

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Feb 26 06:59 -0600]: On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT management. It is full of fiefdoms and not invented here syndromes. It is a meca to the power hungry and the control freaks. It has little to do with

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, not prevent him from doing what he needs. In a perfect world, perhaps. In real life, not so

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Walt L. Williams
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 06:38:31 am Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT management. It is full of fiefdoms and not invented here syndromes. It is a meca to

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:54:06PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: [...] My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not display properly in Firefox. I write to software houses (Adobe) requesting they port to

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Andrius
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, not prevent him from doing what he needs. In a perfect world, perhaps. In

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Chris
Dotan Cohen wrote: *** Major snip *** I'm setting an example. Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be doing - thus, you are NOT setting an example. You're not that important to claim such a remark/comment.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:54:06PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: [...] My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not display properly in

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 08:34:23AM -0600, Chris wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: *** Major snip *** I'm setting an example. Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be doing - thus, you are NOT setting an example.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: *** Major snip *** I'm setting an example. Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be doing - thus, you are NOT setting an example.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Chuck Rhode
Dotan Cohen wrote this on Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:53:51PM +0200. My reply is below. If using a portable app makes no permanent changes to the machine, why should it not be allowed? This is the old, old End-User Programming argument, isn't it? ... so let's say you are a clerk (flunky) who

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:22:31AM -0600, Chuck Rhode wrote: By my count that six arguments anti to two pro. IT wins! ...in the context of duplicating processes which are mission-critical and/or changing the location of sensitive data. Most of those anti arguments don't really apply to such

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Feb 26 08:00 -0600]: Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. I know that I'm doomed to the

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-26 Thread Jamin Davis
Dan H. wrote: I know cygwin, and it is on my to-be-installed list. I can't live without find and grep and xargs and... well, a lot of good grep will do me in a world full of Word documents.. ;-) There was a .DOC to text filter prog, Antiword that could be used in a pipe with grep ;) --

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Misko
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:12:31PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: Boy, what a piece of crap. It boggles the mind. This is how the world's office workers get their work done? Or do they? It seems implausible, doesn't it? I used to be fairly efficent on Windows, but it took a lot of tweaking.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/08 05:22, Misko wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:12:31PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: Boy, what a piece of crap. It boggles the mind. This is how the world's office workers get their work done? Or do they? It seems implausible, doesn't

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian or Microsoft going open source

2008-02-25 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:22:58PM +0100, Misko wrote: Now that MS is going open source (it was on evening national TV news in my country) things are surely going to be better :) As mentioned news was not very clear can somebody explain what did MS actually made available? Is it source code or

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:18:03PM -0600, Elf Dmitryi wrote: Here's a couple things... http://mcnlive.org/ - MCN Live, a live CD that can also be installed on a flash drive. There's Knoppix, too. http://www.knopper.de http://www.sysresccd.org/ - another live CD that can edit Windows NT

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 07:15:27AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Well, you have just begun. Wait till you experience the real horrors of windows, aka viruses, spyware, adware, etc, though with your unix like browsing habits, you may be less prone to be fooled by malware sites. Yeah,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dan H.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:47PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that Linux is not ready for the desktop. I must admit though that I was pretty annoyed when my wife wanted to use sound on our home Debian box and it took me quite

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Elf Dmitryi
Portable Apps allow running everything off the flash drive and have the app/user data saved on the flash drive, too. So basically it's what it says - e. g. Firefox is portable on a flash drive with all the bookmarks, history and settings. A properly set-up flash drive with all the portable apps

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Yuriy Kuznetsov
This link appeared on gmail page. Kind of Micro$oft about Micro$oft propaganda. Nice one ;o) http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/getthefacts/default.mspx

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Dan H. wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:47PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that Linux is not ready for the desktop. I must admit though that I was pretty annoyed when my wife wanted to use sound on our home Debian box and

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 25/02/2008, Elf Dmitryi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Portable Apps allow running everything off the flash drive and have the app/user data saved on the flash drive, too. So basically it's what it says - e. g. Firefox is portable on a flash drive with all the bookmarks, history and settings.

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Dan H. wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-25 Thread Cousin Stanley
I can't live without find and grep and xargs and ... well, a lot of good grep will do me in a world full of Word documents.. ;-) Haven't tried Windows Grep myself, but it might at least be worth a look http://www.wingrep.com/ -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being

[OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Dan H.
Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$ Office, M$IE,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Elf Dmitryi
Here's a couple things... http://mcnlive.org/ - MCN Live, a live CD that can also be installed on a flash drive. There's Knoppix, too. http://www.knopper.de http://www.sysresccd.org/ - another live CD that can edit Windows NT passwords. http://portableapps.com/ has a collection of Firefox,

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Richard Lyons
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:52:00PM +0100, Dan H. wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Dan H. wrote: Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all. Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self- administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing. M$

Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

2008-02-24 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Feb 24 15:57 -0600]: WTF? Am I missing something here? Nope. You're right on the mark. Remember everything you've noted when the Microsofties remind you that Linux is not ready for the desktop. - Nate P.S. Sounds like you went to work for the company I work