Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-10 Thread will trillich
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:30:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 15:15, will trillich wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:09AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Hal Vaughan wrote: Alchemists had three generally accepted > [snip] > > > Is there a parallel to alchemy in the m

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-10 Thread will trillich
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 04:57:28PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > > In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." > > An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an > Irishman, who also said: "Americans

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Paul E Condon
Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 10:57, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote: In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an Irishman, who also said:

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 10:57, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > > In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." > > An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an > Irishman, who also said: "Americans adore me and

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Michael Mueller
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:57, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > > In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." > > An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an > Irishman, who also said: "Americans adore

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an Irishman, who also said: "Americans adore me and will go on adoring me until I say something nice about the

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Mike M
On Friday 07 February 2003 17:19, Rich Rudnick wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:29, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > Mike M wrote: > > > Socrates was stagnant and resting on his society's laurels? Good > > > teaching inspires creativity. > > > > I didn't say Socrates was stagnant. > > Truly off topic, b

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 15:15, will trillich wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:09AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Hal Vaughan wrote: Alchemists had three generally accepted [snip] > > Is there a parallel to alchemy in the modern world? > > aids research, and cancer research, to name a few. th

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Rich Rudnick
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:29, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Mike M wrote: > > > > > > Socrates was stagnant and resting on his society's laurels? Good teaching > > inspires creativity. > > I didn't say Socrates was stagnant. Truly off topic, but Socrates is not the best example of good teaching, unle

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:09AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: > Alchemists had three generally accepted goals: the transformation of > base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal solvent, and the > discovery of 'the elixir of life' . Like scientists today, they looked > to the sovereign

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Daniel Barclay
Mike M wrote: > > On Monday 03 February 2003 18:38, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > > ... > > > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > > > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > > > because passing civilization

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Daniel Barclay
Paul E Condon wrote: > ... Witness > 'alchemy'. Why do people today believe it is impossible? Because our > folk culture has accepted, without really understanding, some > limitations on the human spirit. So you don't believe the results of decades of atomic/nuclear research into the observed beh

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:45:29PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:46, Pigeon wrote: > > > Alchemy is an interesting example... Of course, alchemy itself is > > possible, because people used to do it. They were called alchemists. > > The fact that they never achieved their

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-06 Thread will trillich
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:09AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: Alchemists had three generally accepted > goals: the transformation of base metals into gold, the > discovery of a universal solvent, and the discovery of 'the > elixir of life' . Like scientists today, they looked

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 17:01, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > ... > > As much of a fan of "space" science fiction that I am, the pragmatist > > in me must wonder if space planes will ever become practical until > > some new, relatively compact

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-04 Thread Paul E Condon
Hal Vaughan wrote: On Monday 03 February 2003 11:45 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:46, Pigeon wrote: Alchemy is an interesting example... Of course, alchemy itself is possible, because people used to do it. They were called alchemists. The fact that they never achieve

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-04 Thread Mike M
On Monday 03 February 2003 18:38, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > ... > > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > > because passing civilization along from one generation to t

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Monday 03 February 2003 11:45 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:46, Pigeon wrote: > > Alchemy is an interesting example... Of course, alchemy itself is > > possible, because people used to do it. They were called alchemists. > > The fact that they never achieved their fabled

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:46, Pigeon wrote: > Alchemy is an interesting example... Of course, alchemy itself is > possible, because people used to do it. They were called alchemists. > The fact that they never achieved their fabled goals is because the > discipline they were following was mostly a

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 05:11:03PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: > Pigeon wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > (stuff about artificial gravity) > > > > (more stuff about artificial gravity) > > But, in reality, some things are not possible. Maybe "artificial >

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:52:17PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > > > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > > > because

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Paul E Condon
Pigeon wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: As much of a fan of "space" science fiction that I am, the pragmatist in me must wonder if space planes will ever become practical until some new, relatively compact and light-weight, thrust generating energy source is

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
Knowledge can't be generated. Humans don't generate knowledge, they acquire it. Didn't you get the hint, so clear back then, that several human units would discover the same facts at the same time in different parts of the planet? It was a very clear hint, that as usual we blind units just dismiss

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Daniel Barclay wrote: > Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > > > ... > > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > > because passing civilization along from one generation to the next > > ought to be the

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Daniel Barclay
Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > ... > In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be > _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, > because passing civilization along from one generation to the next > ought to be the highest honor and the highest respons

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > As much of a fan of "space" science fiction that I am, the pragmatist > in me must wonder if space planes will ever become practical until > some new, relatively compact and light-weight, thrust generating energy > source is invented.

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: ... > As much of a fan of "space" science fiction that I am, the pragmatist > in me must wonder if space planes will ever become practical until > some new, relatively compact and light-weight, thrust generating energy > source is invente

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 11:30, sean finney wrote: > On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:13:02AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The slashdot post was about Redhat in space. I doubt if it was > > actually on board the shuttle in question. But that is neither > > here nor there. I feel sad. The tragic loss

[OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-02 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:13:02AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The slashdot post was about Redhat in space. I doubt if it was > actually on board the shuttle in question. But that is neither > here nor there. I feel sad. The tragic loss aside, it also means > that the manned space program wil