On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:46:45AM -0400, Stephen Powell uttered:
You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you
run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help
others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have nothing
against you
On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Lisi put forth on 4/11/2010 1:56 AM:
On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish
But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about
their OS, correct?
Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open SuSU
11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job. She said that she didn't
want to know. When I queried this, she said:
But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about
their OS, correct? They want the computer to be as transparent as
possible in their workflow.
If they don't wont to learn they don't have. That's way there is PC service.
Tell me how much of them know solution for some
But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about
their OS, correct? They want the computer to be as transparent as
possible in their workflow.
If they don't wont to learn they don't have. That's way there is PC service.
Tell me how much of them know solution for some
On Sunday 11 April 2010 09:02:49 you wrote:
But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about
their OS, correct?
Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open
SuSU 11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job. She said that she
didn't
No, these are normal everyday people who don't know what Windows or
what Linux is. They have a problem, they call me. No bitching, no
blaming.
In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will do
him a big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will be much
On Sun,11.Apr.10, 12:15:53, godo wrote:
In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will
do him a big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will
be much safer from virus's and it's much easier to open synaptic,
hit refresh button, upgrade and apply then
Are you saying that only those who want to learn to administer it should be
allowed to use Linux?
No, no, not at all. It may have been like that once, but today anyone
can pick it up and use it. Maintain and fix it, no, but use it until
problems arise, most certainly. And for some distros,
No, these are normal everyday people who don't know what Windows or
what Linux is. They have a problem, they call me. No bitching, no
blaming.
In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will do him a
big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will be much
Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues:
* proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed)
* multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos)
* backports for:
- wicd or network-manager (if applicable, especially since
network-manager in lenny is too old)
-
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
That is exactly what I do! However, I use a Debian derivative as it
has slightly better hardware support out of the box and more
up-to-date packages than straight Debian. That is exactly what this
thread is about.
For
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29, godo go...@dobosevic.com wrote:
Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues:
* proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed)
* multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos)
* backports for:
- wicd or network-manager (if applicable,
Nuno Magalhães wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29, godo go...@dobosevic.com wrote:
Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues:
* proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed)
* multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos)
* backports for:
- wicd or network-manager
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:49:45 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote:
I use a Debian derivative as it
has slightly better hardware support out of the box and more
up-to-date packages than straight Debian. That is exactly what this
thread is about.
No, that is not what this thread is about. I am the
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:46:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
(...)
You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you
run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help
others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have
nothing against
Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:46:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
(...)
You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you
run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help
others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:51:01 +0200, godo wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
(...)
I acknowledge every list has it own rules but true is that some
questions are so wide that are also valid for any kind of linux flavour
and every list user will get benefit from the responses.
And Ubuntu and
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:59:48 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:51:01 +0200, godo wrote:
...
We can talk about everything not just Linux OS on
d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Why not ask there?
Because I sincerely think that things
I use a Debian derivative as it
has slightly better hardware support out of the box and more
up-to-date packages than straight Debian. That is exactly what this
thread is about.
No, that is not what this thread is about. I am the OP of this
derivative of the thread
[OT] Ubuntu vs Debian
You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you
run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help
others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have nothing
against you personally. But it is not fair for you to run another OS and
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:58:59AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
But you do understand that desktop users _don't_
Andrew M.A. Cater put forth on 4/11/2010 6:54 PM:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:58:59AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
But you
Well, squeeze my be well into the last half of its cycle. They are working
toward a pre-release freeze now.
I was thinking of squeeze as (if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I am)
Lenny is still on KDE 4.2.x and Open Office 2.x. KDE 4.4 is such an
improvement over 4.2, and OOo 3.2 is worlds
While what you say is true to an extent, there are a number of members of
the Ubuntu list who are quite sharp. The Debian list on the whole is more
informative.
I did not mean to insult the whole list. Users such as NoOp (who also
posts on openoffice-users) as tremendous help there. I really
(1) No need to CC me; I am subscribed to the list.
Sorry, I will try to remember. Gmail has random
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prefer that I get CCed. So I usually play it safe.
(2) I see that you (and a number of others) have had fun with parodies of
Stability issues and updates are the reasons that I switched _to_
Ubuntu! Before that it was the early Fedoras. I still think that my
favourite two Linux OSes were Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu Feisty.
Maybe I will give Squeeze a round before my next install. I've last
tested only Lenny.
While
On Sun,11.Apr.10, 00:00:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I was thinking of squeeze as (if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I am)
Lenny is still on KDE 4.2.x and Open Office 2.x. KDE 4.4 is such an
improvement over 4.2, and OOo 3.2 is worlds ahead of 2.4.
Actually lenny is still on KDE 3.5, but you can
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd
Actually lenny is still on KDE 3.5, but you can get OOo 3.2 from
backports.
Thanks, I was going from the info on distrowatch. I will look into backports.
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On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:12:04AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer.
That's my situation as well.
If I need to know where is the menus Firefox is, or how to change my
wallpaper, the Ubuntu list is fine. But nobody there understands
_anything_ about
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bob McGowan bob_mcgo...@symantec.com wrote:
On 04/08/2010 07:17 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn to fish.
In this
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
 Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
 Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Stability issues and updates are the reasons that I switched _to_
Ubuntu! Before that it was the early Fedoras. I still think that my
favourite two Linux OSes were Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu Feisty.
Maybe I will
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 16:41, Wayne linux...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess it may be a sign of the times. The world has changed over the past
16+ years since I first joined this list. Sadly, for this list, not for the
better. Maybe if we stressed your points 2,3,4, it might change for the
Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM:
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn to fish.
This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10
Ron Johnson put forth on 4/8/2010 9:58 PM:
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn to
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 22:42, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10 years ago when I was looking
for my first Linux distro. I told a friend I wanted a server distro that
wasn't going to spoon feed me, but make me learn something about Linux.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 04:44:46PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 4/8/2010 9:58 PM:
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:55:56 -0400 (EDT), Nuno Magalhães wrote:
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 22:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10 years ago when I was looking
for my first Linux distro. I told a friend I wanted a server distro that
wasn't going to spoon feed me,
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu users seem to want to use the Debian
forums? Don't they have forums of their own?
Yes they do, and in fact I find them helpful
On 04/08/2010 07:17 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu users seem to want to use the Debian
forums? Don't they have forums of their own?
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT), Bob McGowan wrote:
I run Ubuntu on my laptop, because I got tired of the manual Nvidia
setup every time the kernel changed.
I have been a regular on this forum for several months now, and I
know from experience that the topic of the proprietary nvidia
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT), Bob McGowan wrote:
I run Ubuntu on my laptop, because I got tired of the manual Nvidia
setup every time the kernel changed.
I have been a regular on this forum for several months now, and I
know from experience that the topic of
What I don't understand is why Ubuntu users *post* here, when they
actually run Ubuntu.
I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer.
If I need to know where is the menus Firefox is, or how to change my
wallpaper, the Ubuntu list is fine. But nobody there understands
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
But the biggest reason that I run Ubuntu is to
promote it. I have done tens of installs for friends, neighbours, and
family. I need to be familiar with what they are running. Debian just
needs a bit too much work,
Interesting. This is the opposite of my experience, where I started friends
out on Ubuntu as a way to break them into Linux but they found the amount of
updates annoying, and there were some instability issues at different
times. So I switched them to Lenny - sure it took a little more to
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
What I don't understand is why Ubuntu users *post* here, when they
actually run Ubuntu.
I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer.
If I need to know where is the menus Firefox
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn to fish.
There's another proverb: Teach a man to
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I'd rather learn to fish.
In this case it's:
Take a rope off their necks and you save him today. (get him off
There's another proverb: Teach a man to fish and he gets angry for making
him work.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an evening.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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http://what-is-what.com
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you feed him
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:31:33PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
Give a man a
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 05:26:20AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Interesting. This is the opposite of my experience, where I started friends
out on Ubuntu as a way to break them into Linux but they found the amount of
updates annoying, and there were some instability issues at different
On 2010-04-08 23:49, Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:31:33PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head:
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