Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-30 11:10:53, schrieb Mark Grieveson: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:18:46 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options: It doesn't exist. The

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-07-02 19:05:10, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:53 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: All of my IBL/Lenovo ThinkPads have a analog modem integrated. IBM/Lenovo has yet to ship a modem in a laptop. They went installed by default as I have bought the Laptops. Most of

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-28 19:32:32, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 08:59 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-29 15:12:11, schrieb Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: However good those USB-serial adapters are, I have never found one that could speak all speeds properly, which can be VERY annoying on the field. MCT U232 - Works up to 460.800 BpS. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:53 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2008-06-28 19:32:32, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 08:59 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? By searching for

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-07-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 11:10 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:18:46 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options: It doesn't exist.

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-30 Thread Mark Grieveson
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:18:46 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options: It doesn't exist. The Thinkpad 770 has a modem. Sometimes, quite cheap, you can find

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-30 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, June 28, 2008 6:59 am, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: PS All the searching I have done lead me to believe that they don't exist. But how do you prove that with Google? You can't. Something about generally being unable to prove a negative. -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 08:59 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide proper voltage and polarity? Any idea what a line surge directly to your motherboard does? :o) YAIBF - Yet Another Idiotic Baloo Flame If

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide proper voltage and polarity? Any idea what a line surge directly to your motherboard does? :o) YAIBF - Yet Another

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? Most thinkpads do have a built-in HSF (controller-less) V92 modem as an optional item you can ask while customizing it. I am not sure of the X300

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Owen Townend wrote: I had this same issue when they started phasing out RS232 ports from laptops, the solution for me was to use a usb adapter. I believe the I am in the same boat. Lenovo is asking (through a pool) what ports are nice in a laptop, you could vote on the

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options: It doesn't exist. Surely you jest. -- Nuno Magalhães

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/29/08 08:19, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide proper voltage and polarity? Any idea what a line surge directly to your

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/29/08 13:31, Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options:

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:31 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options: It doesn't exist.

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 08:19 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide proper voltage and polarity? Any idea what a line

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 08:07 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide proper voltage and polarity? Any idea what a line surge directly to your

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-29 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 29 June 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 08:19 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/08 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Besides, do you really trust the phone company to provide

[OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? Listed by highest price first. Hugo PS All the searching I have done lead me to believe

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread James Youngman
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? Listed by

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
James Youngman wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 28 09:01 -0500]: I can't answer except from personal experience. The former Lucent now Agere chipset seems well supported by the Martian Modem driver in Non-free. I have Thinkpads 390e and T23 with that chipset and nary a problem. I know they're

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:45:13 +0100 James Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 08:59 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? By searching for a laptop with a real modem, before even taking Linux into account, you have eliminated 100% of all available options:

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Owen Townend
On 29/06/2008, James Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux

Re: [OT] the limits of googling

2008-06-28 Thread Mark Allums
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, Google searching is (still?) primitive. I would like to know the answer to a simple question: What are the most recent laptops that run Linux *and* have a working analog (RJ-11) modem installed? Listed by highest price first. Hugo PS All the searching I have