Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:41:21 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andrew, I loved Flying Circus! No, you didn't! Well, now you're just contradicting. To argue, one has to take up a contrary stance. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-13 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument?

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:19:15PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-13 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun April 13 2008 03:19:15 Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 April 2008 10:10:22 pm Mark Allums wrote: The problems with waste are slowly being solved, even without breeders.    But you make a good point.  However, I would prefer it if the breeders were in the arid Southwest deserts, and not

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: ... As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion AGAIN. only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a comin' A signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:36:26 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: ... As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion AGAIN. only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a comin' Is

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Kent West
Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a comin' A Andrew, since it's OT time, tell me more about your International. I am currently restoring a 1948 IH KB1, myself. Parts and reliable information are hard

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! No, you didn't! -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 02:25:49PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a comin' ... Andrew, since it's OT time, tell me more about your International. I am currently

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! No, you didn't! Well, now you're just contradicting. A

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Marc Shapiro
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! No, you

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 05:45:01PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:36:26 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: ... As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion AGAIN. only a

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Christopher Judd
On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread David Fox
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! You know, thunderbird isn't just a web browser. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 08:18, David Fox wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod!

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys,

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:54:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 08:18, David Fox wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 13:02, Kevin Mark wrote: [snip] Thunderbird is a brand of cheap alcohol mostly drunk by winos --bums. It Shame on you for insinuating such a mean thing about the Differently Drinking - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip]

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:23:19 am Damon L. Chesser wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 11:29:02 am Rich Healey wrote: pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! Worst yet, the way the whole thing was

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 08:23:19 am Damon L. Chesser wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 11:29:02 am Rich Healey wrote: pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! Worst yet, the way

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:20, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] We saw what happens under Reagan. It degenerates into the libertarian dystopia we're approaching now. I hate it when I agree with you... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:40, Damon L. Chesser wrote: [snip] your knowledge of Linux is very good. Your knowledge of economics is not as good. The fact that China is sucking up all the oil they can buy on the free market has nothing to do with

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 02:41:00PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 13:02, Kevin Mark wrote: [snip] Thunderbird is a brand of cheap alcohol mostly drunk by winos --bums. It Shame on you for insinuating such a mean thing about the Differently Drinking the soberly impaired? A

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: Just because he's dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, contrary to what Rush thinks.

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 17:40, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: Just because he's dead now doesn't

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Mark Allums
Paul Johnson wrote: Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more eager to sue. Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 01:40:05 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: The fact that China is sucking up all the oil they can buy on the free market has nothing to do with $100/barrel, does it? You are confusing correlation with causation. China's been industrializing for the last 20 years now. Oil

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:22:10PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: That just violates basic economic principals, setting the price below the balance of supply and demand, especially given we're talking about an international commodities market and thus don't have the aboslute authority to make

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 02:01:43 pm Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted economic growth in the history of the US. Reagan was still starring in movies or acting as the president of the labor union he was a member of during much of

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 05:19:08 pm Mark Allums wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more eager to sue. Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted economic growth in the history of the US. Reagan was still starring in

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:12, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 05:19:08 pm Mark Allums wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 20:37, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:22:10PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: That just violates basic economic principals, setting the price below the balance of supply and demand, especially given we're talking

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 07:17:19 pm Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted economic growth in the history of the US. Reagan was still

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 07:17:19 pm Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: It does? News to me. Again, study your history,

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: Eliminating all corporate tax breaks would be a good idea, as well: After World War II, corporations accounted for nearly 40% of US tax revenue, today it's less than 5%. You are an idiot. Yes, corporate taxes are paid by corporations who pass the the bill onto

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Mike Bird
On Fri April 11 2008 20:18:33 Steve Lamb wrote: You are an idiot. Yes, corporate taxes are paid by corporations who pass the the bill onto individuals. It was 0% before and its 0% now. Individuals paid it then and individuals pay it now. You just want it back because it's a secret tax

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Mike Bird wrote: You're mistaken Steve. Individuals pass on their tax costs to corporations in the form of higher wage demands. Individual income tax should be zero. Corporations should be taxed on their profits in order to pay for the infrastucture and military necessary for corporations to

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China France doesn't have problems with spent nuclear fuel, because they use breeder reactors. We should, too. The problems with waste are slowly being solved, even without breeders. But you make a good

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:52:10 pm Steve Lamb wrote: Mike Bird wrote: You're mistaken Steve. Individuals pass on their tax costs to corporations in the form of higher wage demands. Individual income tax should be zero. Corporations should be taxed on their profits in order to pay for

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 11 April 2008 10:10:22 pm Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China France doesn't have problems with spent nuclear fuel, because they use breeder reactors. We should, too. The problems with waste are slowly

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I bet ALL of the concerned parents will be sending BOTH the difference

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-10 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip]

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday 10 April 2008 11:51:24 am Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and procreating like rabbits. Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but I'll *never* drink cheap

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 13:23, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and procreating like rabbits.

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:07:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 13:23, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-06 Thread Nate Duehr
On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008, Nate Duehr wrote: On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Charlie wrote: I suppose by that standard you imagine that children have no worth at all? I can't really agree. As one who was a child once, I think children are an

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I bet ALL of the concerned parents will be sending BOTH the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) Yes,

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/08 21:59, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008 02:24:17 pm Hal Vaughan wrote: I truly hope you're being facetious because the alternative would be to wonder if you've ever talked to

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I bet ALL of the concerned parents will be sending BOTH the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks straight to the education system. (Rolling

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] What a deal! I bet ALL of the concerned parents will be sending BOTH the difference in their original

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 04 April 2008 10:35:26 am Hal Vaughan wrote: I would agree with you. I know there are people who will starve rather than violate their beliefs, but I also wonder what he would do if he had a kid to feed and his choice was to program for a company that produces closed source

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 05 April 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008 10:35:26 am Hal Vaughan wrote: I would agree with you. I know there are people who will starve rather than violate their beliefs, but I also wonder what he would do if he had a kid to feed and his choice was to program

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/08 16:24, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] I truly hope you're being facetious because the alternative would be to wonder if you've ever talked to any parents. No, but he talks to lots of...

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Apr 5, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: Seems kind of stupid to put yourself in that kind of ethical dilemma in the first place. It's not like there aren't six billion other people on this already overpopulated rock, plopping out another before you can afford to raise it through age 18

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/08 19:46, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] Not going to dive into the fray about overpopulation and people having children who can't afford to raise them... but I will comment that having finished my 2007 taxes here recently, and as a (by

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday 05 April 2008 02:24:17 pm Hal Vaughan wrote: I truly hope you're being facetious because the alternative would be to wonder if you've ever talked to any parents. Of course I know parents, and the ones who don't have anything resembling that kind of money lined up pretty much have

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Charlie
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008, Nate Duehr shared this with us all: snip --} By your standard, less than 2% of the entire world's population should --} ever consider parenthood, and those would be the richest 2% on the --} planet. --} --} Unless you're at least a multi-millionaire (considering numbers

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 05 April 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008 02:24:17 pm Hal Vaughan wrote: I truly hope you're being facetious because the alternative would be to wonder if you've ever talked to any parents. Of course I know parents, and the ones who don't have anything

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Charlie wrote: I suppose by that standard you imagine that children have no worth at all? I can't really agree. As one who was a child once, I think children are an extremely valuable asset to a species in the now as well as the future. I never said anything

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2008 02:24:17 pm Hal Vaughan wrote: I truly hope you're being facetious because the alternative would be to wonder if you've ever talked to any parents. Of course I know

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 05 April 2008, Nate Duehr wrote: On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Charlie wrote: I suppose by that standard you imagine that children have no worth at all? I can't really agree. As one who was a child once, I think children are an extremely valuable asset to a species in the now

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Vaughan wrote on 2008-04-04 02:38: According to St. IGNUcious himself (aka RMS), at a talk I saw him give last Thursday, Debian isn't a true GNU/Linux distro because it includes non-free software. I'm not saying I agree with him on this,

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Ivan Savcic
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2008, Chris Walters wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: | On 04/03/08 15:39, Ivan Savcic wrote: | On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Ron Johnson | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip | That smells of

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia. I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia. I have

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Ivan Savcic
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the structure of it's

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:42:47AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the user to choose to use

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Michael C
Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the user

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Michael C
Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:42:47AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost assuredly

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Michael C
Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with this. Debian,

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote: Ivan Savcic wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Mark Allums
Hal Vaughan wrote: stay alive. Some, those generally at the lower levels of Piaget's Hierarchy of Needs, will say survival is important while those focused on the higher levels (focused on self actualization) where, since it's Maslow -- Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread s. keeling
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia. I have a

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/08 19:09, s. keeling wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1].

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 04 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/08 19:09, s. keeling wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1].

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Ivan Savcic
sarcasm Very insightful discussion on Debian losing it's users, I must notice. /sarcasm BTW, I don't get the Ubuntu anathema. They stole *our* apt! ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:56:53PM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote: sarcasm Very insightful discussion on Debian losing it's users, I must notice. /sarcasm BTW, I don't get the Ubuntu anathema. They stole *our* apt! ? I can't speak for everyone, but for me... nah, just a little fun. A

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ivan Savcic wrote: | sarcasm Very insightful discussion on Debian losing it's users, I | must notice. /sarcasm | | BTW, I don't get the Ubuntu anathema. They stole *our* apt! ? Hey, why target me? I didn't start the thread, and I did post an

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Ivan Savcic
Sorry for that personal message, I misclicked. It wasn't aimed at you specifically. Anyhow, to get back on topic. I have myself tried and used a lot of distributions and I have used (and plan to use more of) FreeBSD. I went through RPM hell of various distributions, experienced compiling from

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/08 13:57, Ivan Savcic wrote: [snip] So to wrap this long rant up, less people use Debian? Who cares! People who use it *know* why they use it. Why try to sell a distro to people who are still impressed by CFLAGS and a ton of eye-candy?

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Ivan Savcic
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to wrap this long rant up, less people use Debian? Who cares! People who use it *know* why they use it. Why try to sell a distro to people who are still impressed by CFLAGS and a ton of eye-candy? That extra 1% of

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/08 15:39, Ivan Savcic wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to wrap this long rant up, less people use Debian? Who cares! People who use it *know* why they use it. Why try to sell a distro

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

2008-04-03 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ron Johnson wrote: | On 04/03/08 15:39, Ivan Savcic wrote: | On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip | That smells of elitism. (Not that I mind...) | No, it's just you can't have all. It's a matter of

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