Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:41:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, > Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, > > > Tom <[EMAI

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:52:23PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:43 -0800, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Basically in "X-vs.-Jew", anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the > > next couple of generations. I was riding a train

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Tom
Basically in "X-vs.-Jew", anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the next couple of generations. I was riding a train in Germany and I couldn't help thinking how it would feel like bugs crawling up under my skin to think about how fucked in the head my parents and grandparents were. I'm from

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Thu,

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:05:46PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..in our case, whenever you start by reporting that "PsysOp" > storyteller you met on that plane to, was it Cali? None of this is secret http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/rang16.asp : ...18 Americans were dead and 7

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:58:10 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:52:23PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:43 -0800, > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Basically i

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:43 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Basically in "X-vs.-Jew", anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the > next couple of generations. I was riding a train in Germany and I > couldn't help thinking how it would feel like bugs cra

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:41:23PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ... After Iraq and Palestine > > > etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > > > there may be a new _via

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleyma

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:09:30 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ... After Iraq and Palestine > > etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > > there may be a new _viabl

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "debian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 14:08 Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS) > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:20:22AM -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > &

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:04:20PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT), > Thomas Pomber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The return of Christ. > > ..you wanna profit from this, _earn_ it. Now, like it or not, the odds > _are_

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-24 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:59:38AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: > Of course, if you feel this is an acceptable business risk, you're more > than welcome to test the system. Hmmm That is actually a too good point to point out. Many incidents of clear copyright violation exist without prosecut

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT), Thomas Pomber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The return of Christ. ..you wanna profit from this, _earn_ it. Now, like it or not, the odds _are_ Someone might advice you "but you can call me Toby", when you try to cash in.

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:20:22AM -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 16:09 > Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS) >

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-24 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 16:09 Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS) > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ... After Iraq

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread Thomas Pomber
The return of Christ.Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:> ... After Iraq and Palestine> etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace. Without going into left field, and with

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread Tom
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ... After Iraq and Palestine > etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace. Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative, what's your visi

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wr

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread Tom
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > Europe is America minus 10 y

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread David Jardine
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > Europe is America minus 10 years. > > > > And not just Europe. And that's exactly what the bin Lade

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-23 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > Europe is America minus 10 years. > > And not just Europe. And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, > Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent. I'm kind o

Re: OT: US War Powers (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL)

2003-10-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:59:47 +0100, "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Yes, the US President commands the armed forces. Congress holds the > purse strings. And the recent Iraqi disagreement was not a declared > war -- there have been none involving

Re: OT: US War Powers (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL)

2003-10-23 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:24:31AM -0400, TR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > The Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war in the > > United States of America. US Constitution, Article I, Section 8. > > > > With all due respect, this is in theory. In practice, GWB (or those > b

Re: OT: US War Powers (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL)

2003-10-23 Thread TR
> The Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war in the > United States of America. US Constitution, Article I, Section 8. > With all due respect, this is in theory. In practice, GWB (or those behind him) did take the country to war, the Congress merely ratified and made legal th

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:35:06PM +0800, Dasn Cups ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 11:09:08AM -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > If you use GPL'd code and distribute the results and refuse to hand out > > the source code, the copyright holder of the GPL'd code can sue you for > > co

OT: US War Powers (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL)

2003-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:24:24PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Sissy Boy George declared war on 9/11/2001. The Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war in the United States of America. US Constitution, Article I, Section 8. ObDebian: apt-get install

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Tom
This is the best thread ever. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:43:39AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote: > > On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: > > > I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs > > > editor, e.g., vi. > > > > Emacs has a

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-22 Thread David Jardine
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > Europe is America minus 10 years. And not just Europe. And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubs

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:11:09PM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Bijan Soleymani wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote: > > > >>On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: > >> > >>>I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs > >>>edito

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote: > On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: > > I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs > > editor, e.g., vi. > > Emacs has a client/server feature, so you get quick start-up of > additional clients onc

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote: On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs editor, e.g., vi. Emacs has a client/server feature, so you get quick start-up of additional cli

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-22 Thread Tom
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:47:41AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > > I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada > > from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't > > brainwash their people

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote: > On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: > > I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs > > editor, e.g., vi. > > Emacs has a client/server feature, so you get quick start-up of > additional clients onc

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-22 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada > from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't > brainwash their people in The Commie Days half as much as the US does > today. Yeah right, I s

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Allan Wind
On 2003-10-22T09:29:24-0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: > I think it may best for someone who uses a fast starting non-emacs > editor, e.g., vi. Emacs has a client/server feature, so you get quick start-up of additional clients once you have the server running. Using vim myself these days. /Allan --

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-22 Thread Johan Kullstam
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 21 Oct 2003 08:00:40 -0400, > Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I am using gnus/emacs. It treats mail like news. This way, I get > > mail lists each in their own group and the discussions are thread

Somewhat ON-TOPIC (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS))

2003-10-22 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 06:17:07PM -0500, James W. Thompson, II wrote: > Boy has this thread gone out into left/right field, however you want > to term it, and gotten off topic. Why do we allow ourselves to be > distracted and flame back and forth, completely ignoring why this list > exists, we'

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:04:03 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:57:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > I like the way you think man! > Highly consistent... ..excellent. Act on it. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards f

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread ScruLoose
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:56:34AM -0700, Tom wrote: > He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories. Hehe! No doubt he did. After all, if he's in PsyOps that is his job. Cheers. -- ,-. > -ScruLoose- |

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread James W. Thompson, II
Boy has this thread gone out into left/right field, however you want to term it, and gotten off topic. Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted and flame back and forth, completely ignoring why this list exists, we're here to form a constructive dialogue and to help each other solve real problems

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:57:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: I like the way you think man! Highly consistent... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Thomas Pomber
Fuck off!  Are you serious?   Do you think you've got a bigger dick than me, too, just because you're an American?   I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't brainwash their people in The Commie Days half

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 06:35:18PM -0200, Klaus Imgrund wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700 > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories. > > > Is there a point to this? Besides of believing any story some guy makes > up. > For your info - guys in spec

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > > But I suspect American feelings about their military might are > > over-rated. For instance, if they gave a shit, China would ki

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Klaus Imgrund
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > > But I suspect American feelings about their military might are > > over-rated. For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick > > your ass in a war. > > >

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Aaron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 06:12]: > Also, what constitutes "distribution"? If it is a web-based system > wherein the functionality is distributed through access to the site but > the source code package itself isn't distributed, does the license > compel the author to offer the source cod

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Vineet Kumar
* David Palmer. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031019 13:50]: > One of the most central policies of the German Nazi party was the > banishment of national boundaries, a centralised world government, and > international free trade. > > I don't see any difference to what is happening now. You don't see any d

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > But I suspect American feelings about their military might are over-rated. For > instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick your ass in a war. > > America has become a bully. And pride comes before a fall. You haven't seen

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
God, y'all I promise I'll shut up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

2003-10-21 Thread Thomas Pomber
Two-cents-worth from Canada:   It's nice being a Canadian because you get a little bit of variety in the propaganda you're exposed to, which lends itself to a more well-rounded brainwashing.  You get to pick what bullshit you are going to believe.   We sympathize for our brothers in the States who

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread csj
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:48 +0800, David Palmer. wrote: [...] > What started the inciting were bombs dropped on Bin Laden and > his Taliban. Up until then, America had been supplying the > Taliban with arms, and the C.I.A. had been involved with field > assistance. When a gas and oil field was

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 09:17:13AM -0400, Aaron wrote: > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 10:34:52PM +0800, Dasn Cups wrote: > > > Hi, all. > > > I know little about License...:) > > > > > > If I use GNU's source code in my project but don't open my source, who will > > >

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Aaron
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 10:34:52PM +0800, Dasn Cups wrote: > > Hi, all. > > I know little about License...:) > > > > If I use GNU's source code in my project but don't open my source, who will > > punish me? > > > > Nobody, as long as you don't give it to anyone.

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 21 Oct 2003 08:00:40 -0400, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I am using gnus/emacs. It treats mail like news. This way, I get > mail lists each in their own group and the discussions are threaded. ..agreed, and emacs and gnus _is_ on my todo list

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Johan Kullstam
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:48:07 +0100, > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? > > I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. > > .

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread Johan Kullstam
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?". And playing the > > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, is _not_ gonna help. > > > > I'm beginning to see this as an issue over which rational and reasonable > people can disagree. > > For me, this all ties ba

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-21 Thread David Palmer.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:45:51 +0100 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private > > mail? I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. > > It's a bit far out for -cur

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I > think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. It's a bit far out for -curiosa as well, though... I think it would be good if there was a debian-offtopic

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:24:24PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..I said "check out". Sissy Boy George declared war on 9/11/2001. > Both Bush Presidents has violated Arts. 87 and 86 in Iraq and Israel > enough to earn a death sentence under US law. As has Castro on > his failure to free "the un

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:05:56 -0400, Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:22:08AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:59:08 -0400, > > Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:04:20AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Then does that give people in Afghanistan and Iraq the right to attack > > America? As it does seem that (some) Americans want to kill them. > > I said "we only want to kill them because they want to kill us" > if they stop, we

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:22:08AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:59:08 -0400, > Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > ..really? ;-) > > > > > ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread tb . 31020 . nospam
I'd like to stop this discussion :-) you get in one more good reply and then I'm dropping it > Then does that give people in Afghanistan and Iraq the right to attack > America? As it does seem that (some) Americans want to kill them. I said "we only want to kill them because they want to kill us"

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > [snip] > > I was aware of all your facts and reasonings before you spoke. > We just part ways on our interpretation of the facts. > > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:48:07 +0100, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? > I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. ..any way these off-topic rants can be flagged as such othe

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I > think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. > > Thanks, > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ok, I won't resp

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:45:48PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:28:52 -0700 > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them. > > > > And just so there's no

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:44, Johann Spies wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote: > > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote: > > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to > > > give the source code, either along with the program

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Colin Watson
Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. Thanks, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Cont

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:44:08 +0200 Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote: > > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote: > > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to > > > give the source code, ei

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:00:38 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars > > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan. > > Well, Muslims are turning out cars, and not j

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:28:52 -0700 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them. > > And just so there's no confusion: > We want to kill members of the group Bin Ladan is inciting only

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Johann Spies
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote: > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote: > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to > > give the source code, either along with the program or when people > > ask you for it. > > And you have to

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:29:33 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:01:07AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:08:33 -0700, > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Sun, Oct

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:01:07AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:08:33 -0700, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I was aware of all your facts and reaso

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Kent West
Pigeon wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars like Germany or killer stereos like Japan. ...the killer cars aren't too bad, it's the killer cats... I remember back in 1978 there was an "Attack of the Ki

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars like > Germany or killer stereos like Japan. ...the killer cars aren't too bad, it's the killer cats... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:1137

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread csj
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:42:06 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:58:32 -0700, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > ..for samples, google "SCO Linux". SCO claims they have > > > 350 and Microsoft 25 000 "coders", and they are up against > >

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread csj
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom wrote: > > [...] > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan. Well, Muslims are turning out cars, and not just the killer cars some rogue religious fundamentalists use to make their point. You

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread csj
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:38:52 +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: [...] > > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars > > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan. > > Does it ever occur to you that their idea of progress is not to > emulate Germany, Japan or even America. The Iraqis

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:08:33 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > [snip] > > I was aware of all your facts and reasonings before you spoke. > We just part ways on our interpretation of the facts

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:16:25 +0100, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:25:18PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..amen. Not that hard, killing _is_ a sin, even in war: Say you and > > 2 more come for me. How do I stop you 3 with one bull

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote: > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them. And just so there's no confusion: We want to kill members of the group Bin Ladan is inciting only to the extent that they want to kill us. Other than that we just don't give

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:59:08 -0400, Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: ..really? ;-) > > > ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?". And playing the > > > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, i

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: [snip] I was aware of all your facts and reasonings before you spoke. We just part ways on our interpretation of the facts. I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them. I defy anyone to say Iraq was not a pla

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:16:45AM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:57:12 -0400 > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > klaus imgrund wrote: > > Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a > > > > > desire to kill Americans AND is unche

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread klaus imgrund
On Sunday 19 October 2003 19:16, David Palmer. wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:57:12 -0400 > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > klaus imgrund wrote: > > Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a > > > > > desire to kill Americans AND is unchecked by t

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?". And playing the > > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, is _not_ gonna help. > > > > I'm beginning to see this as an issue over which rational and reasonable > people can disagree. > > For

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread David Palmer.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:57:12 -0400 Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > klaus imgrund wrote: > Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a > > > desire to kill Americans AND is unchecked by their government is a > > > legitimate target. It's the "uncheck

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Roberto Sanchez
klaus imgrund wrote: Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a desire to kill Americans AND is unchecked by their government is a legitimate target. It's the "unchecked by their government" which is the key. Yes, we are inconsistent about who we went after first -- tha

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:25:18PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..amen. Not that hard, killing _is_ a sin, even in war: Say you and 2 > more come for me. How do I stop you 3 with one bullet? Easy, I just > fire it. You take it in your right thigh, right next to your balls, > ideally after watch

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread klaus imgrund
> >> > >>Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a > >>desire to kill Americans AND is unchecked by their government is a > >>legitimate target. It's the "unchecked by their government" which is > >>the key. Yes, we are inconsistent about who we went after first -- th

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Roberto Sanchez
klaus imgrund wrote: On Sunday 19 October 2003 07:52, Tom wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:38:52AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: On (19/10/03 01:07), Tom wrote: The war on terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq - it has provoked and will continue to provoke more terrorism: Anyplace where there is a

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?". And playing the > > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, is _not_ gonna help. > > I'm beginning to see this as an issue over which rational and

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread klaus imgrund
On Sunday 19 October 2003 07:52, Tom wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:38:52AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > > On (19/10/03 01:07), Tom wrote: > > The war on terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq - it has provoked and > > will continue to provoke more terrorism: > > Anyplace where there is a lar

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:38:52AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (19/10/03 01:07), Tom wrote: > The war on terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq - it has provoked and > will continue to provoke more terrorism: Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a desire to kill Am

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Clive Menzies
On (19/10/03 01:07), Tom wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to see this as an issue over which rational and reasonable > people can disagree. > > For me, this all ties back into my "Illusion of Technique" philosophy. > The positive argument the anti-Bush people make is: "Iraq is a waste of > time;

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-19 Thread Tom
> ..as in; "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?". And playing the > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, is _not_ gonna help. > I'm beginning to see this as an issue over which rational and reasonable people can disagree. For me, this all ties back into my "Illusion of Technique" philosophy.

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