Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-17 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 16.10.2012 um 15:48 schrieb Paul E Condon: I think you are mistaken about the sync only once a day. The signals giving the year month and day are given once a day, but the precise time-tics are given throughout the day. My clock has an indication when it is receiving the radio signal which

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-17 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 16.10.2012 um 18:54 schrieb Doug: If you live within the coverage area and your WWVB clock is unable to synchronize, it usually means a source of radio interference is near the receiver. Some common culprits are computer monitors (some have a scan rate at or very close to 60 kHz), noisy

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 09:49 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: cheap ones (20 - 40 EUR/USD) Radio-controlled table clocks cost less than 9,- EUR some time ago, at a German discounter. End of 2009 I bought a power meter for 9.99 EUR from a German discounter. I've got reasonable doubt that the

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-17 Thread Doug
/snip/ If and since when the US take part of this coordination--I don't know. The US do not like international agreements. Have the US signed the Human Rights, or the international Woman Rights? Helmut Wollmersdorfer The NIST site I mentioned before details the US participation in

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-17 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121016_120614, John Hasler wrote: I just tried name1.glorb.com. It is distributing correct time and your machine is synchronizing properly to it. Your wall clock is broken. -- John Hasler I've placed an order for a replacement 'atomic' clock. Thanks to everyone for the interesting

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler I've now switched to chrony. The offset between 'atomic clock' and Gnome clock display remains greater than 15sec. Its hard to be more

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Doug
On 10/16/2012 02:07 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler I've now switched to chrony. The offset between 'atomic clock' and Gnome clock display remains

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:59:37AM -0400, Doug wrote: On 10/16/2012 02:07 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler I've now switched to chrony. The

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: Now I am running NTP. Does Ntp agree with your wall clock? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Helmut Wollmersdorfer helmut.wollmersdor...@fixpunkt.de [121016 12:12]: My experience with radio clocks is that they have cheap electronic components failing to work after some time. Unless you have more than one atomic clock and both agree, the first thing to do is remove the battery from

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121016_062545, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Now I am running NTP. Does Ntp agree with your wall clock? -- John Hasler No. It displays the same offset into the future in reference to the SkyScan clock. Also, I have escalated my effort on this. I actually have three(3)

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121016_102703, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 16.10.2012 um 04:35 schrieb Paul E Condon: I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 16 oct 12, 07:48:17, Paul E Condon wrote: I think you are mistaken about the sync only once a day. The signals giving the year month and day are given once a day, but the precise time-tics are given throughout the day. Well, in Europe the signal is indeed sent every second, but this

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Doug
A receiver for WWVB at 60KHz that would decode the signals would be as accurate as anyone could want. That's the signal that your atomic clock receives, so the clock *should* be accurate. You might only be able to receive the signal in the nighttime hours, like the clock. Typically, the clock

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread green
Darac Marjal wrote at 2012-10-16 04:00 -0500: Instead, I would suggest that it is your wall clock that is running slow. Perhaps the second hand moved relative to the shaft at some point. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121016_123854, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Helmut Wollmersdorfer helmut.wollmersdor...@fixpunkt.de [121016 12:12]: My experience with radio clocks is that they have cheap electronic components failing to work after some time. Unless you have more than one atomic clock and both

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Doug
It is instructive to look at the NIST website that discusses the time standards and the broadcasting of the time. http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1383.pdf There is a useful chart of available sources of time and the accuracy available on page 11, table 1.1. Problems in reception are

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread John Hasler
I just tried name1.glorb.com. It is distributing correct time and your machine is synchronizing properly to it. Your wall clock is broken. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time--more

2012-10-16 Thread Doug
To add to my previous post, re WWV: you can still hear the radio station by telephone. the website I cited before can be reached, as reported: To hear these broadcasts, dial (303) 499-7111 for WWV and (808) 335-4363 for WWVH. You can listen for about two minutes before your call is

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-16 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:49:19AM -0400, Doug wrote: A receiver for WWVB at 60KHz that would decode the signals would be as accurate as anyone could want. That's the signal that your atomic clock receives, so the clock *should* be accurate. You might only be able to receive the signal in

A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Paul E Condon
I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years, but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock. Until a few weeks ago, they always displayed the

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler Now I am running NTP. Is there something I could post from NTP that would be useful? The switch will take some time, and I'd rather

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Doug
On 10/15/2012 10:35 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years, but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock.

Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net writes: On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. Now I am running NTP. Is there something I could post from NTP that would be useful? $ ntpq