Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread AP
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right tools' at their fingertips. And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like earlier Windows was being used! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 20:15 +0530, AP wrote: And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like earlier Windows was being used! Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes. It's an alternative with advantages and drawbacks and it needs knowledge about our individual needs for

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread AP
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes. Agreed and one should not be. But if such utilities which can be easily used by end users, then its a plus point and really good. Anything tough is that every knows its typical

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread Joe
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:15:55 +0530 AP worldwithoutfen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right tools' at their fingertips. And this is necessary if Linux is made to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread Atle Solbakken
Den 07. des. 2013 18:00, skrev Joe: I don't want to have to read through pages of legal garbage, and scrutinise every default-set tick-box to avoid having spyware, adware and other stuff sneaked into my computer, or unwanted add-ins and toolbars poured into my web browser. The reason why

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread AP
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Atle Solbakken a...@goliathdns.no wrote: The reason why most people don't have Linux-distros on their home box is because no-one is forcing people to use it. Linux-distros are decentralized projects with no intention of making any money and therefore no need to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/25/2013 02:38 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 23:04 +0530, AP wrote: DEB vs RPM This are 2 of several formats that are handled by package managers. I prefer DEB over RPM, but what I like the most, is the package format used by Arch Linux. Yes, Linux is the kernel, but the

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-07 Thread AP
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Gary Roach gary719_li...@verizon.net wrote: In a linux, open source system the software is constantly changing with minor improvements and bug fixes so there can be 2 or 3 changes a day in your software. Many of these are security fixes that are important. With

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-06 Thread André Nunes Batista
On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: On 11/26/2013 03:22 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/27/13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 24 November 2013 19:20:47 Doug wrote: On 11/24/2013 12:34 PM, AP wrote: [snip] (i) Which Distribution: [snip] (ii) DEB vs RPM

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 19:13 -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: Maybe I have it wrong--I refer to having to install knowing a priori the name of the package you want to install. And I have _never_ had a problem with Synaptic. Using it for at

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-06 Thread Neal Murphy
On Friday, December 06, 2013 04:55:11 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: To click and type a search term for many _users_ is easier to do than to remember a command they only need once every 2 years and than to add a cryptic search syntax. This is a very good statement, one worth rephrasing: It is

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-06 Thread Doug McGarrett
On 12/06/2013 04:13 PM, André Nunes Batista wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: On 11/26/2013 03:22 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/27/13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 24 November 2013 19:20:47 Doug wrote: On 11/24/2013 12:34 PM, AP wrote: [snip] (i)

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-05 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:19:04 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in the Tools menu entry. Ok well. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 04 December 2013 19:41:57 Brian wrote: On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 13:19:04 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: A lot of your questions can be answered by just looking though the various menu items, especially Tools-Options. AP is on a roll; all attention is focused on him/her. There is no

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Brad Alexander
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM, AP worldwithoutfen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:46:05 PM Brad Alexander wrote: I like kmail's interfaces. It's just the backend encryption that has a problem. For whatever reason, it won't let me decrypt and add my s/mime

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: Having cookies in Firefox is not an issue because websites cannot work without it. Not true in general. The vast majority of the sites I use work fine with no cookies (and without scripts). -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:57:18 AM John Hasler wrote: Not true in general. The vast majority of the sites I use work fine with no cookies (and without scripts). I meant in general and most of the websites means websites like youtube, facebook, google, dictionary, pogo, yahoo which

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: I meant in general and most of the websites means websites like youtube, facebook, google, dictionary, pogo, yahoo which end users use most of the times. Youtube requires scripts but not cookies. Google search requires neither. Wiktionary requires neither. Visiting public

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 03 December 2013 23:05:14 AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:46:05 PM Brad Alexander wrote: I like kmail's interfaces. It's just the backend encryption that has a problem. For whatever reason, it won't let me decrypt and add my s/mime certificate on my installation

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/3/2013 11:40 PM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:15:21 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction? In fact, all banks I know of need to use cookies to manage signons. It's how the bank (or any site that uses signons) knows

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:32:27 AM John Hasler wrote: Youtube requires scripts but not cookies. Google search requires neither. Wiktionary requires neither. Visiting public Facebook pages requires neither. Yahoo search requires neither. Then I need to correct myself. I was in

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 09:53:09 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For instance, the Remember me checkbox on a site will store a cookie on your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully encrypted!). That way I don't

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
Lisi wrote: I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had enough of your unpleasantness. I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate over lists, at least with you. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:45:26 PM you wrote: Lisi wrote: I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had enough of your unpleasantness. I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate over lists, at least with you. Correction: I

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 04 December 2013 14:19:25 AP wrote: On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:45:26 PM you wrote: Lisi wrote: I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had enough of your unpleasantness. I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 03:28:20 PM you wrote: It is in the code of conduct that private messages should not be posted on list. Especiallly some time after I thought that we had resolved the differences. :-/ As I said, I had un-null-filed you. This really isn't relevant to Debian

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: Then I need to correct myself. I was in wrong impression really. Thanks for clariying this!! Note that all of the sites I mentioned attempt to send cookies and run scripts, and try to convince you that by refusing them you are missing out on something terribly important. Most sites

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Jerry writes: I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For instance, the Remember me checkbox on a site will store a cookie on your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully encrypted!). That way I don't have to sign on manually every time I visit a site.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:43:43 AM John Hasler wrote: Note that all of the sites I mentioned attempt to send cookies and run scripts, and try to convince you that by refusing them you are missing out on something terribly important. Most sites do this. In most cases they work fine

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they ask? They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them. Other ways to handle unwanted cookies (which Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't offer) is to either accept the cookie and save it to /dev/null or

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 04 December 2013 17:42:56 John Hasler wrote: AP writes: But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they ask? They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them. Other ways to handle unwanted cookies (which Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/4/2013 11:46 AM, John Hasler wrote: Jerry writes: I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For instance, the Remember me checkbox on a site will store a cookie on your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully encrypted!). That way I don't have to sign

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords (encrypted, of course). How this particular step you achieve? -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread AP
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42:56 AM John Hasler wrote: But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they ask? They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them. Well this is okay...Just refuse and still surf...:-) Other ways to handle

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: Can't we just drop it Can't you just killfile it? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/4/2013 12:08 PM, AP wrote: On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords (encrypted, of course). How this particular step you achieve? It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread David Guntner
John Hasler grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Lisi writes: Can't we just drop it Can't you just killfile it? She shouldn't have to. THIS list is for discussing things that are directly related to Debian Linux. What mail program you want to use for this, that, and the other doesn't even

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread David Guntner
Lisi Reisz grabbed a keyboard and wrote: This thread has now been going on for 11 days. And not intermittently for 11 days, but full on with loads of emails every day. It becomes less and less relevant to Debian, since Debian is simply not in question any more. Can't we just drop it,

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Brian
On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 13:19:04 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: A lot of your questions can be answered by just looking though the various menu items, especially Tools-Options. AP is on a roll; all attention is focused on him/her. There is no need to stop the fingers typing because there will

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-04 Thread Brian
On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 12:17:21 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: Can't we just drop it Can't you just killfile it? Show her concern for the well-being and usefulness of this list by ignoring behaviour which disrupts its intended purpose? That requires a bit of thought. -- To

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: AP wrote: ...snip... It is really wonder to know that Debian doesn't include them because of yet another war of licensewhatever...If the actual code is free, still such issues arise is a wonder to think! I now think

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:21 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: It was really about the nonfree logos. A painful situation. You can read all about it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel I know the story, but I wasn't aware about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceweasel_13.png

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 03 dec 13, 07:56:50, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 20:15 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: I always install Thunderbird if I am setting up a Windows box for someone. Well, I did when I still had to have contact with Windows. And the same for Firefox. Now that Google Chrome is

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I used it for years, it was and likely is excellent, but not a native Linux app and as already mentioned before, I dislike the Mozilla policy. Well, I would say some people like the Mozilla policy and some not. Its

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Phishing = faked web sites that ask you to give passwords etc. have nothing to do with the used operating system. Oh I see. Attacks that use buffer overflows and other bugs or weak points are the less likely, the

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM, y...@marupa.net wrote: Personally, I use KMail. It's a lot less resource intensive than Thunderbird (Called Icedove in Debian.), does the job well, and integrates with KDE SC, including Plasma and Kontact. Thunderbird doesn't integrate well even in native

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Doug McGarrett dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Thunderbird is excellent. Have been using it exclusively for several years, ever since KMail screwed me by printing about 5% of my incoming mail in some Asian script that could not be recovered into English. Oh I

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not regarding to freedom. Your mean privacy? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Yes, millions of hackers are looking at the code too, not only the good guys ;). It's more interesting to find _and use_ the one and only security whole to get access to the French military and your private mails

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Doug McGarrett dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: And just sacrifice something else useful to the great god FOSS! Yeah, FOSS is computer's God nowadays;)- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM, y...@marupa.net wrote: I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit the same

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: In the end, suck it and see. No email client is perfect. Most are good. How many people use it is not necessarily a good criterion. Think of Outlook and Outlook Express! I agree with you Lisi that no email client is

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: The email clients continuously emulate each other... Except for Gnus. Why this is an exception? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Roughly, Mozilla said that they had to have the last word on anything going out under their copyright. Debian said taht they had to have the last word on any packages going into the official repositories. These two were

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I have experience of it. It is good email client. But I personally do not like it as much as many people do. It used to be much better for newbies than other clients, but I think that that is no longer true.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: The last time I wanted to test Thunderbird again, some month ago, it opened with advertisings. Okay, that's why you feel the other one is better...ok, fair enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have you at a

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:38 +0530, AP wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not regarding to freedom. Your mean privacy? Yes + the whole philosophy isn't too _my_

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:39 +0530, AP wrote: But then developers should create such clients which have such codes that are [...] not possible to hack Everything can be hacked, it's a race! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. Yes, regarding to the open source code. But simply start

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. But at least it is better than Safari or Windows

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Gilles Mocellin
Le 03/12/2013 11:18, AP a écrit : [...] It seems that your mail client breaks threads. I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're responded to. Not easy to read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
You don't need to be subscribe, to take a look at mailing lists archives or to read forums ;). Take a look at lists and forms for the MUAs and make your own opinion, when on mailing lists and forums, distros are blamed for bugs. If there is less good compatibility to older versions of the MUA or

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gilles Mocellin gilles.mocel...@nuagelibre.org wrote: It seems that your mail client breaks threads. I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're responded to. Yes it is agreed because I heard it a type of Mozilla bug too! I am not sure

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Everything can be hacked, it's a race! Agreed but what I meant is that as soon as something is hacked/prone to be hacked, developers can do the proper required patching or editing the code so that the existing hole

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install more dependencies than you might want to install and you need to learn more, than you

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
A last note to this thread, I won't reply again too this thread. Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives (also known as Finagle's corollary to Murphy's Law) is usually rendered: Anything that can go wrong, will—at the worst possible moment - Wiki What MUA should I use, Kmail or Thunderbird? is

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You already said: I guess our life is a race! and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of issue ;p. The end is not any kind of issue because the end is sure and this is known. If you call it an

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:12 +0530, AP wrote: You concluded very well. I guess I must start with KMail because of the K-factor (yes, I am on KDE). And then later can try Thunderbird and Evolution. I just asked about Thunderbird with a bit more emphasis because I just heard it here and

Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:19 +0530, AP wrote: close this thread now Then it's time for me to post this link: http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;), for me there still is no best or less best. I

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: Why this is [Gnus] an exception? Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. Well. -- Thanks Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote: Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. Doesn't

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:42:10 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: Then it's time for me to post this link: http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;), for me there still is no best or less best. I had

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread yaro
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: .snip. Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a free vs. nonfree issue. Most software will choose defaults for

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Siard
AP: John Hasler: AP: Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 05:00:49 PM Siard wrote: JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies. Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: [Google search] won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. AP writes: Doesn't it store cookies? Only if you allow it to. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
AP writes: Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right. You don't need addons to refuse cookies. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:12:50 AM John Hasler wrote: You don't need addons to refuse cookies. Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: You don't need addons to refuse cookies. AP writes: Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you please elaborate the other method...?

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/3/2013 9:22 AM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote: Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:02:17 AM John Hasler wrote: Iceweasel - Preferences - Privacy - follow instructions Or: Firefox - Preferences - Privacy - follow instructions Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread AP
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used cookies that is evil. Unless you did a bank transaction! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread John Hasler
Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

RE: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
-Original Message- From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie -- John Hasler

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Brad Alexander
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:19 +0530, AP wrote: close this thread now Then it's time for me to post this link: http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client KMail was an award winner, for

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 21:02 +0630, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:42:10 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: Then it's time for me to post this link: http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;),

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:38 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: Google Yesno, people who use twitter and facebook don't need to care about a Google search ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/3/2013 10:58 AM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used cookies that is evil. Unless you did a bank transaction! And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction?

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:29 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: -Original Message- From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related Please

Re: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:05:50 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking doesn't notice the difference between be and bee or then and than, it still allows me to write as an idiot :D. Lesdyxics

OT: Best Mail Client - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 13:35 -0500, Neal Murphy wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:05:50 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking doesn't notice the difference between be and bee or then and

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To the extent that your

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 08:51:44PM +0630, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. Well. A wonderful post, filled with information. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/3/2013 2:24 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

2013-12-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Hello Robert, Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or typing. That's true of course. I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is that a phishing email will likely contain a link to a web site

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