On Wed 12 Dec 2018 at 06:27:06 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 11.12.18 09:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > mick crane wrote:
> > > > On 2018-12-10 20:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > > > For the purpose of sr_drive_status(), the loop is really
> > > > > inappropriate.
>
Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 11.12.18 09:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > mick crane wrote:
> > > On 2018-12-10 20:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > > For the purpose of sr_drive_status(), the loop is really inappropriate.
> > > > This function shall obtain the drive status and not wait until the
> > >
On 11.12.18 09:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
> mick crane wrote:
> > On 2018-12-10 20:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > For the purpose of sr_drive_status(), the loop is really inappropriate.
> > > This function shall obtain the drive status and not wait until the
> > > status of the medium is decided.
> >
Greg writes:
> Americans (at least in my part of the country) never use "shall" at
> all. To us, it simply sounds archaic. We'd expect it in the King James
> Bible, or in certain kinds of fantasy literature.
I might use it in a question but other uses are archaic except in a
legalistic context
On Tuesday 11 December 2018 12:31:46 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:22:56PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > The English use it more than Americans do.
> >
> > In school it was a big deal to distinguish "will" and "shall".
> > (I was very eager to forget
On 11/12/18 17:31, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:22:56PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>> Dan Ritter wrote:
>>> The English use it more than Americans do.
>>
>> In school it was a big deal to distinguish "will" and "shall".
>> (I was very eager to forget the exact rules when
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 06:22:56PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Dan Ritter wrote:
> > The English use it more than Americans do.
>
> In school it was a big deal to distinguish "will" and "shall".
> (I was very eager to forget the exact rules when nobody cared any more.)
Americans (at least in
Hi,
i wrote:
> > This function shall obtain the drive status and not wait until the
> > status of the medium is decided.
mick crane wrote:
> I have noticed that people whose first language might not be english use
> "shall" as apposed to "will" or "should".
The topic has its own wikipedia
On Tuesday 11 December 2018 06:25:43 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i wrote:
> > > I know some more such dumplings.
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So do I, Thomas, but this is supposedly a polite list. :)
>
> I actually meant the bugs, not the bug makers whose sympathy is
> probably needed to ever
mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-12-10 20:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > For the purpose of sr_drive_status(), the loop is really inappropriate.
> > This function shall obtain the drive status and not wait until the
> > status of the medium is decided.
> >
> completely off the topic but I have
On 2018-12-10 20:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Gene Heskett wrote:
Perhaps that patch could be reverted,
It had its legitimate intentions, 10 years ago.
See
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/210ba1d1724f5c4ed87a2ab1a21ca861a915f734
and a glimpse of the following woes
Hi,
i wrote:
> > I know some more such dumplings.
Gene Heskett wrote:
> So do I, Thomas, but this is supposedly a polite list. :)
I actually meant the bugs, not the bug makers whose sympathy is probably
needed to ever get the bugs fixed.
(When pointing with one finger at others, three fingers
On Monday 10 December 2018 15:02:44 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Perhaps that patch could be reverted,
>
> It had its legitimate intentions, 10 years ago.
> See
>
>
> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/210ba1d1724f5c4ed87a2ab1a21ca
>861a915f734
>
> and a glimpse
Hi,
Gene Heskett wrote:
> Perhaps that patch could be reverted,
It had its legitimate intentions, 10 years ago.
See
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/210ba1d1724f5c4ed87a2ab1a21ca861a915f734
and a glimpse of the following woes
On Monday 10 December 2018 12:46:41 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i wrote:
> > > A workaround in K3b would be let it retry on error ENOMEDIUM for
> > > about 30 seconds and to only then give up.
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > That ought to be doable, but would that not delay the ready by
> >
Hi,
i wrote:
> > A workaround in K3b would be let it retry on error ENOMEDIUM for about
> > 30 seconds and to only then give up.
Gene Heskett wrote:
> That ought to be doable, but would that not delay the ready by banging on
> the drive for a status report during that time? It only has so much
On Monday 10 December 2018 08:58:39 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I wrote:
[...]
> > > I use:
> > > xorriso -outdev /dev/sr0
> > > before trying to read the medium by POSIX i/o like dd(1) or
> > > read(2).
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This is also something that has not been installed till now, and
Hi,
i'm starting this spin-off thread to avoid pollution of
"dd: error reading '/dev/sr0': Input/output error"
I wrote:
> ... > (We have a bug in the kernel since 2008 which prevents waiting for
> ... > the drive to become ready after automatic tray loading.
> > The old timeout limit was 20
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