Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread ha
By the way, do not have sshd installed (and there is no /usr/sbin/sshd). I mentioned sshd as an example. There are plenty of ways to do remote connection to the host (telnet, VNC, XDMCP), all of them can be used for the root access. Just to be on a safe side, scan your host with 'nmap -sT

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread ha
Please note the difference between *are/is* installed, and *were* installed. I would expect dpkg -S to fail if those packages had been wrongly removed (corrupting dpkg database) but the pam and man files are extremely unlikely to be the result of malware. The OP never responded to my query

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:17:12AM +0100, ha wrote: Please note the difference between *are/is* installed, and *were* installed. I would expect dpkg -S to fail if those packages had been wrongly removed (corrupting dpkg database) but the pam and man files are extremely unlikely to be

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread ha
My guess is that this situation is the result of invoking: dpkg -X *deb / or, simply unpacking a tarball into /. But your guess is as good as mine. The only package I installed via dpkg was youtube-dl, as I couldn't get it by invoking apt-get install (and I still can't). I downloaded it

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread ha
I'd hate to hold anyone responsible for their memory - AFAIK no one can remember what they don't remember (this is why we take notes and run script) - I can only assume their memory is complete. With other areas a guess/instinct may be good enough - with security I prefer proof. Even if they

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread ha
Looking at those files makes me think of a possible installation error: that one or more partitions on the old install were used and mounted without reformatting for the new install. Is there a timestamp check that could be performed (install time/date for the file, rather than the datetime

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/02/14 21:40, ha wrote: I'd hate to hold anyone responsible for their memory - AFAIK no one can remember what they don't remember (this is why we take notes and run script) - I can only assume their memory is complete. With other areas a guess/instinct may be good enough - with security

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:24:50 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that this situation is the result of invoking: dpkg -X *deb / or, simply unpacking a tarball into /. But your guess is as good as mine. Maybe, certainly my guesses as to

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/02/14 02:23, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:24:50 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that this situation is the result of invoking: dpkg -X *deb / or, simply unpacking a tarball into /. But your guess is as good as mine. Maybe,

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-25 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:32:37 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: No, of course not. debsums only checks files which belong to an installed package. Such 'orphan' files are invisible to debsums, regardless of the way they landed into filesystem. Which,

Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
I have a relatively new installation (2 months) of Debian Wheezy, and not many additionaly packages installed. I *never* installed any virtual machine on this computer, however, after some problems (that I first though were hardware related) I found that vmtoolsd is installed on this computer.

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 01:14:10PM +0100, ha wrote: I have a relatively new installation (2 months) of Debian Wheezy, and not many additionaly packages installed. I *never* installed any virtual machine on this computer, however, after some problems (that I first though were hardware

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
Hi I cannot see a package named vmtoolsd in the debian archives. But I can see a package named open-vm-tools, which has files named like that: Yes, I know. No, I do not have open-vm-tools package. This package seems to be the VMware Tools bit intended to be installed on a guest VM - i.e.

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.02.2014 13:14, ha a écrit : I have a relatively new installation (2 months) of Debian Wheezy, and not many additionaly packages installed. I *never* installed any virtual machine on this computer, however, after some problems (that I first though were hardware related) I found that

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
FYI, this was a log entry that caught my attention: vmusr[3785]: [ warning] [vmtoolsd] The vmusr service needs to run inside a virtual machine. ... And I repeat once again: This is not a virtual machine and I did not install any VM software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name vmtoolsd ) I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd dpkg ( or apt, aptitude, synaptic, etc ) is not the only way to install things. It's only the most efficient ( on Debian ) and secure. It

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:24:19 +0100 ha hiei.arh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name vmtoolsd ) I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd … echo $PATH does not shows my home directory I did

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread yaro
On Monday, February 24, 2014 04:40:39 PM ha wrote: On 02/24/14 16:24, ha wrote: Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name vmtoolsd ) I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd By the way, there is also /etc/vmware-tools

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
On 02/24/14 16:24, ha wrote: Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name vmtoolsd ) I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd By the way, there is also /etc/vmware-tools folder -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:43:39AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 04:40:39 PM ha wrote: On 02/24/14 16:24, ha wrote: Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name vmtoolsd ) I did. It only shows that files are there:

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread yaro
On Monday, February 24, 2014 03:48:04 PM Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:43:39AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 04:40:39 PM ha wrote: On 02/24/14 16:24, ha wrote: Hi! Try to find that file. ( run something like find / -name

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:43:39AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: This rather highlights why I like Arch's package manager (Pacman.) more than APT. Pacman features a command (pacman -Qo file) that explicitly checks a file you specify for package ownership. Interesting. I don't have a

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd By the way, there is also /etc/vmware-tools folder This rather highlights why I like Arch's package manager (Pacman.) more than APT. Pacman features a command (pacman -Qo file) that explicitly checks a file you

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread ha
debsums -ac -r /mnt Great, thanks! I didn't know about debsums. However, it does not report anything when started from the debian live usb. 4) If, and only if debsums won't report anything unusual - purge vmtoolsd, cleanup anything in /usr/local, change root password, remove any ssh public

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread John W. Foster
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 16:17 +0100, ha wrote: FYI, this was a log entry that caught my attention: vmusr[3785]: [ warning] [vmtoolsd] The vmusr service needs to run inside a virtual machine. ... And I repeat once again: This is not a virtual machine and I did not install any VM

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Reco
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:28:32 +0100 ha hiei.arh...@gmail.com wrote: debsums -ac -r /mnt Great, thanks! I didn't know about debsums. However, it does not report anything when started from the debian live usb. Well, that's good. Meaning, that's simply a misuse of root, not a rooted host.

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy
2014-02-24 18:05 keltezéssel, Reco írta: Well, that's good. Meaning, that's simply a misuse of root, not a rooted host. No reinstall in necessary, probably, simple removal of: /etc/init.d/vmtoolsd /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd /usr/bin/vmtoolsd should do it. Or simply apt-get purge open-vm-tools.

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Reco
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:26:30 +0100 Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-02-24 18:05 keltezéssel, Reco írta: Well, that's good. Meaning, that's simply a misuse of root, not a rooted host. No reinstall in necessary, probably, simple removal of: /etc/init.d/vmtoolsd

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 09:51 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: Thank you. Using that command it'd be trivial to see if those files were installed by the package manager, maybe a dependency, which is more likely than being compromised, in all honesty. When something is installed as a dependency,

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Brian
On Mon 24 Feb 2014 at 19:23:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 09:51 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: Thank you. Using that command it'd be trivial to see if those files were installed by the package manager, maybe a dependency, which is more likely than being compromised, in

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
Yes - you are paranoid. There is no conspiracy. Those files were installed by the operator/user/sysadmin. So relax. :) If you want to remove them:- # apt-get remove open-vm-tools open-vm-toolbox On 25/02/14 03:04, ha wrote: I did. It only shows that files are there: /etc/pam.d/vmtoolsd

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/02/14 04:44, Reco wrote: On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:26:30 +0100 Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-02-24 18:05 keltezéssel, Reco írta: Well, that's good. Meaning, that's simply a misuse of root, not a rooted host. No reinstall in necessary, probably, simple removal of:

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/02/14 11:03, Scott Ferguson wrote: Yes - you are paranoid. There is no conspiracy. Those files were installed by the operator/user/sysadmin. So relax. :) If you want to remove them:- # apt-get remove open-vm-tools open-vm-toolbox and # apt-get remove zerofree open-vm-dkms libdumbnet1

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:07:23 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing part of the thread? Probably no, as you've replied in it: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/02/msg01346.html Where did the OP check to see if open-vm-tools and

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/02/14 16:16, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:07:23 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing part of the thread? Probably no, as you've replied in it: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/02/msg01346.html Where did the OP

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:48:37 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Please note the difference between *are/is* installed, and *were* installed. There's a difference, indeed. I would expect dpkg -S to fail if those packages had been wrongly removed

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread John L. Ries
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: Yes - you are paranoid. There is no conspiracy. Those files were installed by the operator/user/sysadmin. So relax. :) Besides, we're not scheduled to come after you until next month. --| John L. Ries | Salford

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
debsums -ac -r /mnt Great, thanks! I didn't know about debsums. However, it does not report anything when started from the debian live usb. Hopefully you realise that should take quite a while to run, and you correctly mounted etc for your check... Well, that's good. Meaning, that's

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/25/14, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: debsums -ac -r /mnt Great, thanks! I didn't know about debsums. However, it does not report anything when started from the debian live usb. Hopefully you realise that should take quite a while to run, and you correctly mounted etc for

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for replying On 25/02/14 17:10, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:48:37 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Please note the difference between *are/is* installed, and *were* installed. There's a difference, indeed. I would expect dpkg -S

Re: Am I paranoid?

2014-02-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/02/14 17:22, John L. Ries wrote: On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: Yes - you are paranoid. There is no conspiracy. Those files were installed by the operator/user/sysadmin. So relax. :) Besides, we're not scheduled to come after you until next month. That's what you want us