On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:21:27 -0800
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > telnetd is INSECURE and SHOULD NOT BE USED unless you have ...
> > EXPLICITLY STATED reason.
>
> Where is that policy published? Where should the description of use
> be submitted for approval?
I have no idea whose policy you
From: Greg Wooledge
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:11:55 -0400
> They gave you the rope and the instructions. It's up to you to actually
> tie the noose around your own neck.
>
> Just delete the stupidly obvious this-line-is-commented-out-on-purpose
> token, and then reload inetd. If you don't know
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 01:59:07PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> [...]
> > Ideally the syntax
> > required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site.
>
> What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property
>
On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
[...]
> Ideally the syntax
> required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site.
What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property
of the email clients the senders and receivers of emails use. You'd
From: David Wright
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:12:45 -0500
> Maybe sometime you'd explain why you prefer telnet to ssh.
Several years ago ssh was about 15-20 s connecting whereas telnet
required less than a second. Consequently I adopted the habit of using
telnet with a password. Recently I
On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Incidently the hyperlinks in my reply to Charles Curley
> ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00479.html ) seem OK.
> The list server is is flummoxed when there are more than 2 or 3 or 4
> References? Then I
On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 19:34:26 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500
> > > telnetd is ancient ...
I wrote "sshd is modern and secure. telnetd is ancient and insecure …"
with the two sentences
On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500
> > telnetd is ancient ...
>
> Recency of development is a criterion for choosing a tool. (?)
I think that depends on the tool. If telnetd works for you and you are
cognisant of
From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500
> telnetd is ancient ...
Recency of development is a criterion for choosing a tool. (?)
The ball-peen hammer as we know it would have been developed before 1900.
Might have been prior to 1800. The pneumatic hammer was developed in the
1920s
On Wed 09 Oct 2019 at 07:25:39 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Andy Smith
> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 +
> > It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you
> > could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new
> > shell. So it would help our
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:13:57 -0700
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Charles Curley
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:59:47 -0600
> > First, this is a Debian Linux support list, not an Oberon support
> > list.
>
> Yes! Exactly the right place for a question about telnetd in a
> Debian system.
>
>
From: Charles Curley
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:59:47 -0600
> First, this is a Debian Linux support list, not an Oberon support
> list.
Yes! Exactly the right place for a question about telnetd in a
Debian system.
This illustrates why I tried to avoid mention of Oberon at the outset.
It's a
DISCLAIMER & WARNING: Threading may still be incorrect. Tempting as
this message might be, if incorrect threading upsets you please stop
reading. =8~)
To my understanding In-Reply-To and References were added to the
earlier message correctly but the list server put them in the Web
based
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 07:25:39 -0700
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Andy Smith
> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 +
> > So I think we really do still need to know more about your use
> > case.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)
>
From: Andy Smith
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 +
> It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you
> could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new
> shell. So it would help our understanding if you were to explain
> what your use case is for this new
DISCLAIMER & WARNING: Threading may still be incorrect. Tempting as
this message might be, if incorrect threading upsets you please stop
reading. =8~)
From: David <mailto:bouncingc...@gmail.com>, Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700
> > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require auth
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 14:20, David wrote:
[...]
Sorry, I didn't see this had already been discussed.
(broken threading, gmail interface, didn't read everything
before sending anything)
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 05:38, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Reco wrote:
> > Threading is broken, as usual.
>
> This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header:
>
> > > From: pe...@easthope.ca
> > > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586
> > > To:
Hi,
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > Hopefully this is readable.
Reco wrote:
> Threading is broken, as usual.
This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header:
> > From: pe...@easthope.ca
> > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586
> > To:
Hi.
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:52:51AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Hopefully this is readable.
It is. Threading is broken, as usual.
> > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above.
>
> Ie.
> > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd
> > /usr/sbin/telnetd
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:52:51AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Hopefully this is readable.
>
> From: Reco , Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:45:12 +0300
> > No, it should not be there because it disables telnetd this way.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above.
>
> Ie.
> > 2)
Hopefully this is readable.
From: Reco , Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:45:12 +0300
> No, it should not be there because it disables telnetd this way.
Thanks.
> Hence aforementioned "echo" command above.
Ie.
> 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd
> /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E
On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote:
>> On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the
>> > illustrious Mr. Owlett is
On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 01:40:51 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> David wrote:
> > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas!
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > I can't know how Thomas feels about it.
>
> I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion.
Thanks, I
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the
> > illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled,
>
On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 11:08:09 AM Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000
> David wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> >I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't
> >meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished,
> >I press "delete"
On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote:
>
> So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the
> illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled,
> nonsensical crap again.
>
Aren't you delivering the right
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf
> > ## telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd
> > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash
> >
> > Not sure
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Reco , Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:48:09 +0300
> > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd
> > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash' >> /etc/inetd.conf
>
> peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf
> ##
From: Reco Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:26:35 +0300
> apt install inetutils-telnetd openbsd-inetd
root@joule:~# dpkg -l | grep inet
ii inetutils-telnetd2:1.9.4-7
i386 telnet server
ii openbsd-inetd0.20160825-4
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 07:40:51PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> David wrote:
> > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas!
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > I can't know how Thomas feels about it.
>
> I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion.
Hi.
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 10:42:20AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > Try it:
> >
> > 1) apt install inetutils-inetd openbsd-inetd
>
> Debian 10 allows me to install one or the other but not both.
> I removed inetutils-inetd and installed openbsd-inetd.
There's this saying here
From: Reco , Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:48:09 +0300
> I fail to see how that's "OK".
"OK" was only my acknowledgement of your instruction or suggestion.
Not a confirmation of success.
> Try it:
>
> 1) apt install inetutils-inetd openbsd-inetd
Debian 10 allows me to install one or the other but not
Hi,
David wrote:
> > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas!
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I can't know how Thomas feels about it.
I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:57:34AM +1000, David wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote:
>
> > > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :)
>
> > No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is
> > far less grumpy than me
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote:
> > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :)
> No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is
> far less grumpy than me and besides he has quite a bit of
> free software out there to show
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote:
>
> > > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...]
>
> I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence
> above, I did
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000
David wrote:
Hello David,
>I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't
>meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished,
>I press "delete" instead of "send", and then find something fun to
Been there, done that.
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote:
> > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...]
I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence
above, I did not notice that it carries implications that I did
not intend,
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > > Why in the hell [...]
>
> > Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...]
>
> > Thanks for trying :)
>
> I agree that
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Why in the hell [...]
> Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...]
> Thanks for trying :)
I agree that polite and friendly is the goal.
I see that a polite way was tried already by
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
[...]
> Why in the hell is anyone running telnetd in 2019?
>
> What is the PURPOSE of this idiocy? To recreate that 1992 feeling? For
> nostalgia?
Now try in a more polite and friendly way. Then you'd have a chance
of achieving
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:09AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf
> > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user
> > # Restart inetd.
Why in the hell is anyone
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Reco
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300
> > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters.
>
> OK.
> peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf
> telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user
> #
From: Reco
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300
> telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters.
OK.
peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf
telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user
# Restart inetd.
Then the result from telnet to localhost is in this little
On 2019-09-30 16:46, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 07:28:45PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
From: pe...@easthope.ca
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700
> Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ...
Localhost; not hosts.
It's easy to get
Hello,
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 07:28:45PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: pe...@easthope.ca
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700
> > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ...
>
> Localhost; not hosts.
It's easy to get confused because your posting style
Andy Smith wrote:
>
> Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with are too
> underpowered CPU-wise to cope with SSH's encryption?
>
For what it's worth, I used to routinely SSH in to an appliance running
on an extremely underpowered CPU (by today's standards), a 30 MHz MIPS
core. The
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 15:55, Tixy wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote:
> > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other
> > messages that you use something named Oberon.
> It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he
> posts to this list. The
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Reco
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300
> > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve?
>
> An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal
> efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon
On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote:
[...]
> A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other
> messages that you use something named Oberon.
It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he
posts to this list. The X-Mailer header in his emails says 'Oberon
Mail'
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 01:33, wrote:
> Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost,
> LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet
> work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login.
Ok, the guessing game continue
From: Andy Smith
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:51:22 +
> Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with ...
From: pe...@easthope.ca
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700
> Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ...
Localhost; not hosts.
Also,
From:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 10:51:22PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal
> > efficiency.)
> I am old enough to remember how we used to remotely manage machines
> before SSH
Hello,
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Reco
> > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve?
>
> An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal
> efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably
> faster than
From: Reco
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300
> I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve?
An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal
efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably
faster than competitors.
> ... your request seems to be
Hi.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 08:15:07AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost,
> LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet
> work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds with
Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost,
LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet
work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login.
Can this be accomplished by configuration of PAM ?
Thanks,.
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