On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:19:36PM -0400, Scott Gifford wrote:
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net writes:
[snip]
Perfectly true in theory, but in practice very few small businesses
and nonprofits I'm worked with do this. If an organization is large
enough that there is an IT person to
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 06:48:17PM +0100, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through
pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of
options and certainly
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:08:24 -0400
Eric Gerlach egerl...@feds.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
Hello Eric,
2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;
Ron's already pointed out that, at the drop of a hat, Amazon can just
delete your account.
If relying on one 3rd party for backups you should worry.
I trust Amazon more than a HD. You're free not to, but I've seen more
HDs fail than I have Amazons.
I'm not sure the HD's reliability is much of an issue: you wouldn't want
to backup to a single drive which you bring back home at night,
otherwise, during the day you're at the mercy of a big
I haven't had a chance to try it out but http://www.boxbackup.org/
looks like a pretty cool solution.
--Ben
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Stefan Monniermonn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
I trust Amazon more than a HD. You're free not to, but I've seen more
HDs fail than I have Amazons.
I'm
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 05:35:20 Jon Dowland wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:51:31PM +0200, Johan Grönqvist
wrote:
The homepage http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/ also
mentions some graphical front ends that may be useful, but
I have not tried any of them.
I am in the process of
On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine
that is safe for
On 2009-07-28 00:59, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
I was in a local computer store near Boulder, CO a few days ago. They
are selling IDE disk drives, any size, for $0.25/GB. SATA are even
What insane world do we live in where $0.25/GB is considered 3x too
expensive?
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Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net writes:
On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[...]
Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download.
[...]
Renting is easier, but I wonder how long the web based services will
be in business.
S3 is run by Amazon, and
On 2009-07-28 01:21, Scott Gifford wrote:
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net writes:
On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[...]
Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download.
A 1TB HDD from NewEgg is $0.085/GB once, and you own it, and
$0.00/GB to
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:51:31PM +0200, Johan Grönqvist
wrote:
The homepage http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/ also
mentions some graphical front ends that may be useful, but
I have not tried any of them.
I am in the process of packaging archfs, a FUSE-powered
user filesystem tool that provides
As noted by others, you will receive many different
recommendations for pieces of software. IIWY, I'd ask the
following questions
a) how easy/reliable is performing a *restore*?
not how easy is it to perform the backup.
This ancient website was originally setup as a marketing
tool for a
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:21:21AM -0400, Scott Gifford wrote:
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net writes:
On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[...]
Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download.
[...]
Renting is easier, but I wonder how long
On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[snip]
Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings
the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them
why that isn't worth the $3/mo that that Amazon charges them. You won't be
getting paid for
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[snip]
Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings
the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them
why that isn't worth the
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric
Gerlachegerl...@feds.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
My granfather and his accountant were alternately bringing home 13
disk packs 30 years ago. They've obviously got newer hardware now
(tape drives), and
On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[snip]
Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings
the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 -0400, Eric Gerlach wrote:
Sure, your grandfather did it, but give any small-business owner
these two choices:
1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program,
then take it home at night; or
2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;
and
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:17:04AM -0400, Jeff Soules wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric
1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program, then take
it
home at night; or
2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;
and I bet over 80% of them choose #2.
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Jon Dowland wrote:
any reasonable frequency of backup. I currently use
rdiff-snapshot. I personally think there is still a lot of
space for new solutions (yet to see a good git-based one)
s/rdiff-snapshot/rdiff-backup
Johannes
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I am toying with livedrive which is an ecomomical storage site. It caters to
the windows crowd but, partly at my nagging, set up ftp access. I now nag them
for rsync :-)
The problem with ALL of these is upload speeds. The large backup needs the
rockest solidest connection to simply get done.
On 2009-07-28 11:07, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[snip]
(client doesn't even have to *think* about it)
That's the part that really pisses me off: willful ignorance.
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Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net writes:
On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote:
[snip]
Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the
client brings
the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them
why that isn't worth the $3/mo that that Amazon
* Jon Dowland jon+debian-u...@alcopop.org [090728 06:42]:
From my experience, I would discount anything which relies
on hard link trees. That means a lot of rsync-based
solutions, including rsnapshot. Apart from not being a 1:1
backup (you lose hard links!), the filesystem metadata
storage
John Magolske wrote:
I've been trying to decide between dirvish rdiff-backup. I read
something [1] arguing in favor of dirvish, citing it's advantage of
having images that are complete file systems. But dirvish does use
hard links, so the issue of such a backup not being exactly 1:1 gives
me
Original Message
From: ron.l.john...@cox.net
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Back up routines
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0500
On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach
AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system
through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most
reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a
catastrophic
On 2009-07-27 01:40, AG wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The
next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and
make a decision.
If it would be useful, I'm happy to post back once I've done so and
experimented with some test
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, AG wrote:
Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The
next step for me is to take each one and do some further research
and make a decision.
Nobody mentioned Unison? I've been using it for backups for last two
years. It is well-documented and
On Monday 27 July 2009 09:59:15 Girish Kulkarni wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, AG wrote:
Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The
next step for me is to take each one and do some further research
and make a decision.
Nobody mentioned Unison? I've been using it
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-07-27 01:40, AG wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The
next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and
make a decision.
If it would be useful, I'm happy to post back once I've done so and
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine
that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can
On 2009-07-27 16:55, Eric Gerlach wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine
that is safe for dummies (i.e. me)
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through
pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of
options and certainly won't help in the case of a catastrophic HDD-failure.
Thus,
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine
that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can
just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as
some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type
activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and
certainly won't help in the case of a
Hi,
AG skrev:
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that
is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just
leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It would
be backing up to my former IDE HDD (now in an enclosure) via an
AG wrote:
recommendations for a backup routine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_backup_software
Or, roll your own with rsync, tar/gzip, etc., and your scripting
language of choice (I use Perl).
HTH,
David
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On 7/26/09 11:48 AM, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through
pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of
options and certainly won't help in the case of a
Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine
that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can
just leave to run according to a cron job once
Hello List
Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system
through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most
reliable of options and
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:50 +0100
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello AG,
Thanks for your thoughts.
You're welcome.
I am a home user with a small 3 workstation LAN. The IDE HDD that I
Pretty much the same here. There's several years worth of family
history data I'd rather
On 2009-07-26 12:48, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through
pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of
options and certainly won't help in the case of a
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:51:31 +0200
Johan Grönqvist johan.gronqv...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
AG skrev:
Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that
is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just
leave to run according to a cron job once (or
Original Message
From: g...@slsware.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Back up routines
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:01:00 -0600
On 7/26/09 11:48 AM, AG wrote:
Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home
directory as some measure of protection
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