Reply to list (was: Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails))

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Scott
Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. You don’t need another client since Thunderbird/Icedove has an extension[0] which enables you to reply to list only. I’m using it for a long time now. Don’t worry about the patch mentioned on the site, it’s already in Debian’s Thunderbird/Icedove package[1].

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:10:41 +0100 Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my brother to try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was pretty disappointed and gave up. Now I want to give it another try with etch as I am more

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:30:21AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: [..] I've been using Debian (Sid) exclusively for 4-5 years now. However, as I've posted elsewhere on this list, when I bought a new Thinkpad Z61M last week I had a lot of problems with getting Sid to work properly. The wireless

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Ken Heard
Michael, Thank you for your positive response to my Attracting newbies post, which really started the fork from Booting Debian/testing fails. The original post from Terrence Brannon generated 59 responses including mine; whereas there have been so far 96 responses since my post

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used brain dead user (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my text I used it to refer to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used brain dead user (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my text

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread David Hart
On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: Snipped from my config.py: # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. # 0: Call /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail. SMTP_SEND = 1 SMTP_SERVER = jynn.tonix.org:25

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:30AM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: Snipped from my config.py: # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. # 0: Call

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread M-L
On Thursday 08 February 2007 01:59, Celejar shared this with us all: --} On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 --} Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --} --} [snip] --} --} see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me --} personally, and email it to the list also (Send two

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: As for the newbie documentation, we should definitely get something together. Everyone who is interested email me at my personal emailing just to say Aie!. Drop me an AIM/MSN/Jabber contact so I can reach you beyond email if possible. I'm in. Ciao, Dave

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: [ ...] Snipped from my config.py: # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. # 0: Call

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:54:28AM -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: [ ...] Snipped from my

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:03:01PM -0500 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News to me -- I've always used the package or application name. As an aside, I thought that new applications for Linux were encouraged to use Info for documentation ... Info is what the FSF is pushing.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a walkthrough/HowTo on how to do something

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Freddy Freeloader wrote: [snip] I also sort of feel the same as some others have expressed on this thread about Ubuntu leaving them cold. It does me too. I've tried it a couple of times and I've always been left feeling that the OS was dumbed down. Sort of like the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client to use for mailing list *and*

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:04:31PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Okay, let's get back on topic. So far I have five other people who are interested in working on this documentation, I'm hoping to get a few more writers than editors before we begin (So far I believe 4/5 people who signed up

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I am planing to write something similar, but without the IMAP bit (which should be trivial to implement in my setup). I

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client to use for

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me personally, and email it to the list also (Send two separate emails though, otherwise it won't pass my email filters. I'm interested. Celejar

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:33:45 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:49 +1300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote: [snip] There are sites geared to helping newbies: linuxquestions.org, tldp.org. Not Debian specific. It might even be worse to steer

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:13:07 + Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Now if only we had *more* GUI tools (that weren't crippled 'cos they're for clueless newbies(tm)) not instead of, but as well as the command line tools (for those who prefer cryptic and opaque)... ;@) A common

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500 I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to put the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: ? It requires more than Enigmail. No, Enigmail is

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I am planing to write something similar,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 17:33: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: ? It requires more than

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. sigh I really wish I could use mutt though. ;) For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. [EMAIL

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 10:36, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking to go for IMAP as soon as I get my firewall back on line (hdd is down), Ah, a security issue.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. sigh I really wish I could use mutt though. ;)

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do. possibly the LGPL or the WxWindows leicence to make

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking to go for IMAP

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. Looks great -- Without looking at the package, just a couple quick questions; Does it do mbox format

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: [ ...] Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/sendmail, not directly to a mail store. Hm OK Then I use say procmail

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: [ ...] Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/sendmail, not

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread Wulfy
Celejar wrote: A common problem with linux gui tools is that they are often really just simple front ends to the cli tools, and they often aren't really easier to use than them; if the user doesn't have a pretty good understanding of the underlying cli tool he'll be stuck even in the gui, and if

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP would be the best choice to access it. That's the *second worst* place to put it. please enlighten. I am in the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: { ...} using fetchmail/procmail to get RSS. That's what I do, into its own folder. I just grabbed it, the documentation is non existent. :( Ehh? For such a

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:07:59PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: Ehh? For such a simple program I think it's well documented. 'man r2e' and the self documented config file ~/.rss2email/config.py should tell you all you need to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 13:57, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP would be the best choice to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 05 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: [snip] I don't mean to change the subject, but I myself used Ubuntu because I felt that Debian was way too outdated for me. Then after multiple system breakages I decided to just switch over to Debian, and it ended up working fine. Debian has all

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500 Kamaraju Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007 20:45, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: What would happen if you asked debian-www to add it or put in in the debian wiki? Doug. The last time I looked, debian-www is full of spam with

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:49 +1300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote: For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one. Already you have a conflict. But an advanced user/DD would know how to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:18:54 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 06:43:14PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: And yet, just saying Windows is dangerous doesn't say anything about why or how you should use Linux, nor does it say anything about which Linux

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip proposed changes to installer] I think you talk about the sarge installer. Did you try the latest etch? I have the 'kde' image and it is pretty close to what you describe. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 07:45:17PM +, Chris Lale wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [...] I think in reality Debian doesn't cater to a lot of people's needs On the other hand, there must be a lot of people who would find Debian a great solution if only they

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Wulfy
Chris Bannister wrote: For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one. Already you have a conflict. I don't think it's quite that simple. Just because someone prefers to set up [his] system the way [he]

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Glenn Becker
To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque nor cryptic. Choices is what it's all about - for me. G +-+ Glenn Becker -

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin Kempter
On Monday 05 February 2007 16:23, Michael Pobega wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:08:53 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't plan on heading this documentation, though. I just want to try to get everyone involved in it, because I feel at the rate

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip proposed changes to installer] I think you talk about the sarge installer. Did you try the latest etch? I have the 'kde' image and it is

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread cassiano
Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:03:34AM -0200, cassiano wrote: Didn't expect a personal reply. Could you please trim unnecessary parts. Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian. Personally, I don't think that Debian is geared towards newbies but more towards

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip proposed changes to installer] I think you talk

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Freddy Freeloader
Michael Pobega wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: The one thing I really don't understand, though, is why people use Ubuntu. bleh. responsing anyway... I return to the example of my mom. Many people don't want to update

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:40:25 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Wulfy
Glenn Becker wrote: To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque nor cryptic. Choices is what it's all about - for me. G Which was the point of the bit you snipped...

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Referring to it as Sid seems like a good idea to me, but really no matter what it will be referred to as Unstable by the community; Which will probably just scare users away. The way I see it, is that the Debian mainsite shows that 3.1 Stable

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, or Gentoo if that

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, or

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:20:15 -0600 Dustin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Debian is a rock solid operating system that is best used for servers, or by experienced users that know how to shape it into a flexible desktop. I personally think this is an excellent image to have. The reason

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: My mail was mostly directed at LiveCD installers though, not graphical installers in general (Sorry if I didn't specify this). Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or 'expertgui'. I've had bad

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in Ubuntu you can accomplish in Debian, and probably more effectively/easily.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [...] I've been reading the last 30 or so posts on this thread with some interest. Tried going to newbiedoc site but it never responded when I tried to connect. Berlios can be a little temperamental - i suspect server maintenance. Try

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs have a list reply button or function that correctly identifies the mailing

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs have a list reply button or function that

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:35:22PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with @lists.debian.org to my

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
John K Masters wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as Reply All, but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 16:35, Michael Pobega wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with @lists.debian.org to my Debian mailing

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: Etch has a GUI installer, really? I never noticed it. Read those syslinux.cfg pages. you can get gui, the default curses, or even readline for use with really dumb terminals, like a teletype on serial.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 14:43, Michael Pobega wrote: I would hate to see a graphical installer for Debian. I think the curses installer does just fine, a graphical installer would only bring in people thinking that Debian is Windows. The reason for having a graphical installer is that

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Real geeks use mailx. Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Steve -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Real geeks use mailx. Pfft. *Real* geeks telnet to port 25 on the destination mail server and type the entire SMTP session manually :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:17:15PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: The reason for having a graphical installer is that there currently is no way to support some languages with just an ncurses based installer. I believe this is the main reason why we have a graphical installer and why it

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500 I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to put the whole contents there? The former would be nice, the later would be

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:41:00PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Lk 6-36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Booting Debian/testing fails

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 01:13:07PM +, Wulfy wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one. Already you have a conflict. I don't think it's quite that simple. Just

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Jason White
On 2007-02-06, Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt :-( You can use Fetchmail to retrieve all of your mail using POP3 or IMAP. Once it is delivered to your

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: John K Masters wrote: PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt :-(

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: John K Masters wrote: PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: John K Masters wrote: PS if you have the time

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: John K Masters wrote:

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